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And was originally gonna be IT as the 1. Kyrie trade happened a month after Hayward signed.
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Somehow a 26 year old all-star wing in the west coming off scoring 24 a game in the playoffs, who every team with cap space wanted that summer, wasn’t worth it. That revisionist history
I’m saying.
And this is In a season where he was avg 22-5-4 on 47/40/85 splits...while leading a team 50 wins, and the Second round of the playoffs in the west.
Coming off an off-season and time where Otto Porter is making $26 Mil a year
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Alright well acting like it was a foregone conclusion that boston would get something in return for hayward is revisionist. And I remember thinking hayward was never worth that money in real time, maybe it was just me
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Acting like Hayward didn’t deserve that contract back then is definitely revisionist history. He was a top free agent. The whole WPG thing started for a reason.
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It was people saying at that time Gordon wasn't worth it. I was a reverse racist for saying it.
Ainge just overplayed his hand. They drafted well with Tatum and Brown but all that pump faking with those "great assets". Signing Gordon did little for their franchise. Fumbling tryna get AD, Kyrie ain't wanna be there. A lot of false hope was being sold.
Ainge just overplayed his hand. They drafted well with Tatum and Brown but all that pump faking with those "great assets". Signing Gordon did little for their franchise. Fumbling tryna get AD, Kyrie ain't wanna be there. A lot of false hope was being sold.
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You can’t argue against his production, age, efficiency, health and impact on winning at that time.
This is a time where Evan Turner, Wes Matthews (off an ACL injury), Otto Porter & Chandler Parsons (also off an injury) were getting paid like 18-20 ms a year. Not to mention the likes of older players like Paul Milsap, Mike Conley, Al Horford and even Jrue getting $30m’s a year.
Like cmon bruh
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don't cheer failed attempts.....
warriors run is over. they won't be a serious contender for a while. played great ball over that stretch though.
ainge might as well be a NTer with these reaches. he's always second in line to get a star.
warriors run is over. they won't be a serious contender for a while. played great ball over that stretch though.
ainge might as well be a NTer with these reaches. he's always second in line to get a star.
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Yea I don’t get the point being made here. Was Hayward getting anything else but the max in 2017 free agency?
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said he was 4th sought after free agent that year and that’s being extremely conservative (no pun intended)
curry was a lock to GS, and Hayward > BG and Jrue that free agency.
getback
said he was 4th sought after free agent that year and that’s being extremely conservative (no pun intended) curry was a lock to GS, and Hayward > BG and Jrue that free agency.
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It was people saying at that time Gordon wasn't worth it. I was a reverse racist for saying it.
Ainge just overplayed his hand. They drafted well with Tatum and Brown but all that pump faking with those "great assets". Signing Gordon did little for their franchise. Fumbling tryna get AD, Kyrie ain't wanna be there. A lot of false hope was being sold.
He had a freak injury in the first Damn game of the season...in the first quarter...that put him out for a season and set him back
. He was most definitely worth that. That was the market price. You just don’t like him lol.Hayward was LIKE that then. It’s funny, because the Paul George **** is even more true. I have not seen Paul George advance any deeper in the western conference...Despite playing with an All Star, mvp guard, and finals mvp...he just blew a 3-1 lead to “Dirk Gasol” and “Canadian Clarkson” And putting up a 5 POINTS trash game...against a Utah Team WITHOUT Hayward and getting bounced was poetic justice that you forgot.
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Tough to do something for the franchise when you snap your leg 5 minutes in. Doubt Ainge considered that when signing him
I'd blindly make the Kyrie trade 10 times outta 10. Although him not being the right fit or Ainge not doing his due diligence on Kyrie as a teammate could be attributed to Ainge. No problem with that. The optics of the IT thin weren't good for him either regardless of it was a good business move in theory.
AD wanted to play with Bron. Thankfully he made that clear. Otherwise Ainge would've blew his wad for a 1 year rental and he'd be up sh*t's creek. That one was kind of out of his control but worked in his favor (unless people were 100% sold on AD being a Celtic).
Celtics seem to have a bigger issue creating chemistry than they do obtaining talent, which might go beyond Ainge. Could also fall on Stevens' shoulders a little. And then maybe players after that.
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Bol Bol eligible for ROY this season. LOL NBA.
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if ballmer doesn't get a head tattoo, it's all for naught
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He had a freak injury in the first Damn game of the season...in the first quarter...that put him out for a season and set him back
Hayward was LIKE that then. It’s funny, because the Paul George **** is even more true. I have not seen Paul George advance any deeper in the western conference...Despite playing with an All Star, mvp guard, and finals mvp...he just blew a 3-1 lead to “Dirk Gasol” and “Canadian Clarkson” And putting up a 5 POINTS trash game...against a Utah Team WITHOUT Hayward and getting bounced was poetic justice that you forgot.
Ain't got nothing to do with whether I like him.
It's athletes that I'm not a fan of but I'll say they're worth the money IF they're worth it. We know PG is trash in the playoffs. That was entertaining watching the Clippers choke after all that talking but your mans Gordon is fresh off 40/29% and a whole 10 points a game in the playoffs too.
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I just did a search and there was definitely a debate on whether or not Hayward was a top 20 player after he signed a max with Boston. Otto and them are bad examples because those were all clearly terrible deals off top regardless of the marketYou can’t argue against his production, age, efficiency, health and impact on winning at that time.
This is a time where Evan Turner, Wes Matthews (off an ACL injury), Otto Porter & Chandler Parsons (also off an injury) were getting paid like 18-20 ms a year. Not to mention the likes of older players like Paul Milsap, Mike Conley, Al Horford and even Jrue getting $30m’s a year.
Like cmon bruh
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Ain't got nothing to do with whether I like him.
We know PG is trash in the playoffs. That was entertaining watching the Clippers choke after all that talking but your mans Gordon is fresh off 40/29% and a whole 10 points a game in the playoffs too.
Gordon Hayward in 2020 is not Gordon Hayward from 2016-2017. You know this. When he got paid...he was worth it.
It’s no different from Ingram, Donovan Mitchell, Jokic, Murray, Jaylen Brown etc.
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He tore ligaments in his ankle game 1 of the playoffs though. Not saying he's a playoff great, but I wouldn't look too much into this past postseason
Dude tried to come back from a 2-3 month injury in a few weeks.
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That’s the market this the fact that it was “debatable” proves the point. He was in range. And when you’re negotiating...you point to the market. And those cats I listed, would be brought up.
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It was people saying at that time Gordon wasn't worth it. I was a reverse racist for saying it.
Ainge just overplayed his hand. They drafted well with Tatum and Brown but all that pump faking with those "great assets". Signing Gordon did little for their franchise. Fumbling tryna get AD, Kyrie ain't wanna be there. A lot of false hope was being sold.
Gotta realize this is a board where some people think winning is overrated in basketball
, so if your content with being a borderline conference finals team you max a guy like Hayward. The NBA has caused this situation where there's "Max" guys who are good but not elite & it's usually how teams get stuck in purgatory.If your goal is to win a championship signing one of these B+ Stars to big money is usually an issue
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I'm all for not spending big money on B+ players, but there's like maybe a half dozen guys in the league that really matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Gotta realize this is a board where some people think winning is overrated in basketball
If your goal is to win a championship signing one of these B+ Stars to big money is usually an issue
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And all them dudes were bad deals bro
. Especially otto of all people, everybody knew that one was stupid. It's not revisionist and Hayward's market was still over valued this year. The market just reflects the going rate, not the actual value. Jrue holiday wasn't worth what he just got traded for, etc
