2022 NBA Offseason Thread: Preseason kicks off; Things are fine in Los Angeles, Draymond beats the charges

[had pants]

 

[rolaholic]

 

[picasso swerve]

Not a crazy concept. Different rules, different spacing. Harder doesn’t make it better.

No one said harder to score makes it better though. The NBA is clearly the best product out.

Watching international FIBA games is fun as hell though. Teams play with hella pride.

 

[picasso swerve]

It’s hard for 90% of European guards to become really good players over here. Like we can do this back and forth. Let FIBA be FIBA. Let the league be the league

I dont think anyones having a back and forth.

No one tryna argue that Euro ball is better, saying its harder to score in Euro doesnt mean its better.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

It’s def harder to score when 4 players are sitting in the paint waiting on you.

It was a joke in reference to earlier accusations of being a "contrarian"

I actually agree with them.

It's the same argument I've made about 1960s basketball.

Rules matter a lot.

 

[witnesskb24]

What an absolute shocker

 

[osh kosh bosh]

No one said harder to score makes it better though. The NBA is clearly the best product out.

Watching international FIBA games is fun as hell though. Teams play with hella pride.

I agree, NBA Is a better product.


Ive always found it silly when people use European basketball

To tear down AAU and American basketball development.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Not a crazy concept. Different rules, different spacing. Harder doesn’t make it better.

so hear me out,
if back in let's say the 1960's they had different rules, and different spacing.

the game would be different,
without the players necessarily being worse?


but please stop me if im being a contrarian.

 

[picasso swerve]

I agree, NBA Is a better product.


Ive always found it silly when people use European basketball

To tear down AAU and American basketball development.

AAU is a ****show right now with kids playing with no respect on the court. Makes for good views on TikTok though.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

AAU is a ****show right now with kids playing with no respect on the court. Makes for good views on TikTok though.

sure youth basketball at the lower levels can be bad.

but american basketball consistently produces more creative and dynamic players.
people see the very best euro guys and assume it's a product of euro development.

when in reality it's just survivorship bias.
the guys who make it to the NBA are like that but they are not typical.


if you watch euro teams at the youth level, which I did for a while when I was heavy following Canada basketball

youll see euro teams and players are way more rigid and less creative.


AAU and HS has it's flaws, but it seems clear to me the early professionalization and academy system common europe has drawbacks of its own.

If my kid had talent, id much rather put my kid in high level AAU, HS, than european development.

 

[Moheezy]

I can't like, looks-wise, those are up there with Tmac 2, Gill Zero, and Harden 1 as far as Sigs go.

 

[Based Jesus]

I feel like

European development centers the team
US focuses on maximizing individual talent

Euro development gives kids higher floors
US development gives them higher ceilings

 

[clyde the glide]

It's funny cause i feel like Luka plays more like an aau kid

 

[rolaholic]

 

[rolaholic]

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Gonna eclipse both Magic and Kareem in the same season on his way to his 5th Finals MVP. Real hot goat ****

 

[rolaholic]

 

[amitt5504]

Gonna eclipse both Magic and Kareem in the same season on his way to his 5th Finals MVP. Real hot goat ****

#ThemidFromAkron

 

[Maximus Meridius]

 

[pmatic]

Make Quentin Grimes an untouchable in trade talks, then make him a bench player.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

European players tend to come from countries where the most popular sport is soccer.
In those countries the absolute best natural physical athletes play soccer, unless they become too tall.


So european basketball is pulling from a less athletic pool of players

the ONLY way for non super elite athlete to make it all the way to the NBA
is to be elite at things like skill, touch, feel for the game, shooting ect.

So European development isn't making guys like Jokic, Luka, unusually skilled.


it's simply the inevitable end result of having a less athletic pool of talent.

 

[wavycrocket]

AAU is a ****show right now with kids playing with no respect on the court. Makes for good views on TikTok though.

Have you ever played AAU ball?

Or city Rec in general. I swear, I’m astonished at people being up in arms at 11-17 year olds talking crazy to each other on the basketball court.

I remember Troy Frankin (Towson U) doing a Ball fake and dancing in 2001…and my coach was ready to jump off the bench and lay him out. Then he talked crazy to us, for letting that slide lol.

We was 11 . It made us better

 

[pmatic]

All bad.

 

[had pants]

 

[wavycrocket]

Magic Johnson played only 11 years.

Crazy. Bron is in year 20.

John Stockton will never be passed. And he started off as a backup PG