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[h1]Strasburg is on the all-time fastest track[/h1]
By Steve Henson, Yahoo! Sports 2 hours, 55 minutes ago

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SAN DIEGO - The radar gun blinks wildly. It's not used to this. No one makes it strain to read out a third digit. It looks like binary code, not thespeed of a pitch from a 20-year-old kid: 101.

It keeps showing up, 101 again and again, and as scouts peek at the number, they ask aloud what everyone else in the baseball world wonders: Will StephenStrasburg someday throw a baseball harder than anyone has before?

Two men holding radar guns as well as his pitching coach said he has touched 103 mph this season. Only three others have done that, and all were majorleague relief pitchers, not juniors in college. Strasburg is a starter for San Diego State, and his velocity levels off in triple digits, something never seen,not from Nolan Ryan or Randy Johnson or any of the modern fireballerssince the advent of the radar gun.

So it's no surprise that Strasburg is dominating college like no pitcher ever has. He has 74 strikeouts in 34 1/3 innings, meaning only 29 outs havecome via batted ball. He fanned 23 batters in one game last year, and in seven outings with Team USA last summer, culminating with the Beijing Olympics, hestruck out 62 in 41 innings.

And the stories about standing 60 feet away from Strasburg, apocryphal though they may seem, are more of the horror variety even if they sound comedic. Hiscatcher, Erik Castro, tells of the time he thought a changeup was coming and Strasburg went fastball. Decapitation was barely averted.

"You feel fortunate when you make contact," said Rance Roundy of UNLV, who had an opposite-field single and only one strikeout in three at-batsagainst Strasburg.

"He's that overpowering."

The day after a recent outing - he had 15 strikeouts in seven scoreless innings against BYU on Friday - Strasburg leaned back in the dugout and marveled atthe rapidity of his rise. How he went from an immature, overweight high school senior ignored by every major league team to the most coveted amateur playerever in three short years. How in another three months he'll have super-agent Scott Boras negotiating on his behalf the largest contract ever given to aballplayer out of the draft.

Executives believe the asking price for the Washington Nationals, whohold the first overall pick, will start at $15 million. It's even been suggested that Boras could pull a fast one and attempt to destroy the draft slottingsystem by shooting for a deal that essentially would treat Strasburg as a front-of-the-rotation starter before he's thrown a professional pitch.

Just like teams pay for home run power, they pony up huge money for power pitchers who can sniff 100 mph. Strasburg sits there, a red and black cap pulledlow on his head, and when asked to contemplate the prospect of throwing a baseball faster than anyone in history, he can't help himself. A smile begins tocreep over his face.

Only then he shows he's more than a hard thrower. He's becoming a pitcher, so he delivers a curve.

"No," he said, the smile suddenly gone. "I don't think about that at all."

How can't he? The only pitch ever clocked faster than 103 mph was a 104.8 mph fastball by Detroit Tigers reliever Joel Zumaya on Oct. 10, 2006, in the American League Championship Series.Mark Wohlers and Matt Anderson are the only other pitchers known to have touched 103 mph on a radar gun, and each did it once.

If Strasburg knows anything about Zumaya, Wohlers or Anderson, he doesn't let on. If he realizes that none of them accomplished much more than a recordreading on a radar gun, he doesn't say. Zumaya is out again with another injury in a never-ending string. Wohlers lost his control and flamed out quickly.Anderson, the first pick in the 1997 draft, lost his velocity and career to a bum shoulder.

No wonder talking about his fastball is uncomfortable for Strasburg. He knows pitching involves so much more. Besides, what on earth could possibly speakfor itself more definitively than his crackling heater? Ambiguous it is not. If one day it becomes a pinnacle of human achievement, something noted by Guinnessand baseball historians, the feat won't have required anything more from him than a windup, a delivery and a follow-through. Words would besuperfluous.

"The scary thing is he could develop a little more velocity in the next couple of years," said a scout from a National League team. "Heabsolutely could be recognized as the fastest pitcher ever, at least since pitches have been clocked.

Any hitter bracing only for Strasburg's fastball is set up for failure, however. His breaking pitch - a cross between a slider and curveball - is jellyto the fastball's peanut butter. He often gets ahead in the count with the fastball then puts hitters away with the 86-mph hook.

"It's got curveball action and slider velocity," San Diego State pitching coach Rusty Filter said. "Stephen has an idea how to pitch.He's not a thrower."

Unlike almost everything else young and fast, Strasburg is rarely wild. In 210 innings of college and international competition since 2006, he's walkedonly 45 batters while striking out 316. He's a strike-throwing strikeout artist, the rarest of commodities.

"A challenge for him is to hit more bats and keep his pitch count down," Filter said. "That should happen naturally as he moves on to proball."

Strasburg wasn't always in such fast company. He'd been at San Diego State all of a week in 2006 and he was doubled over in the corner of thedugout, heaving and vomiting after a routine conditioning workout.

Tony Gwynn, the Hall of Famer and the Aztecs' coach, shook hishead. The sorry spectacle confirmed everything he feared about the freshman pitcher. Filter had convinced Gwynn to give a scholarship to Strasburg, a local kidnobody else wanted.

One thought kept coming back to Gwynn: How can somebody who throws so hard be so soft?

Sure, Strasburg could throw 91 mph, but he was a good 30 pounds overweight. He couldn't run a few laps without getting sick. He didn't know how tobench press. The school's conditioning coach nicknamed him "Slothburg" and told him he ought to quit on the spot.

Questions arose off the field as well. After five days living in a dormitory, Strasburg moved back with his mother, who had recently purchased a house nearthe campus to help care for Strasburg's grandmother.

"I wasn't the most mature guy out of high school, and moving to my mom's gave me a place to sleep and relax," Strasburg said. "Thedorm was an overload, too much, too soon."

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Famed "Guitar Hero" victim Joel Zumaya leads a group of flame-throwing pitchers. Here's an unofficial list of the hardest tosses.
(Dave Sandford/Getty Images)

Fast company
Joel ZumayaDetroit Tigers104200621
Stephen StrasburgSan Diego State103200920
Matt AndersonDetroit Tigers103199822
Mark WohlersAtlanta Braves103199525
Aroldis ChapmanTeam Cuba102200821
Matt LindstromFlorida Marlins102200727
Justin VerlanderDetroit Tigers102200724
Bobby JenksChicago White Sox102200625
Randy JohnsonArizona D'backs102200440
Armando BenitezN.Y. Mets102200229
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Easily overwhelmed. That was becoming the label. During high school games he would melt down at the slightest provocation.

"I had a hard time handling anything that would go wrong, whether it was a call, a bad hop, an error, a guy hitting the ball hard," he said."I beat myself up. Anything negative would carry over. High school was the dark ages for me."

Credit Filter with seeing a glimmer of light. Strasburg had a 4.37 grade-point average at nearby West Hills High, so he was a smart kid. He had a live armdespite his woeful conditioning. Filter convinced Gwynn that Strasburg had an upside, that he was worth a gamble.

"After two months on campus he went from 6-foot-3, 255, to 6-5, 225," Gwynn said. "His was killing it in the weight room. His fastball wentfrom 91 mph to 97. It happened that quick."

The ascent hasn't abated. Strasburg was a closer as a freshman, a starter as a sophomore and the only collegiate player on the U.S. Olympic team lastsummer. His fastball hit 100 mph for the first time last year, and now it exceeds that barrier in nearly every outing.

In a recent outing, Strasburg struck out the side in the first inning, then gave up two opposite-field singles on fastballs to begin the second. Time toadjust: He struck out the next three hitters, all with his breaking ball.

"It's fun to watch a guy out there with that kind of stuff thinking his way through at-bats and having a plan," Gwynn said. "You can seehim figuring it out on the mound."

No one ever doubted Strasburg's brains. His GPA is close to 4.0, and even though he's a junior, he'll need only 12 units for a bachelor'sdegree in public administration by summer because he accumulated so many Advanced Placement credits in high school.

Yet when it comes to numbers, the ones that measure his velocity and academic progress will pale in comparison to those representing the dollars he will askfrom the major league team that drafts him.

The largest guaranteed contract for a draft pick was a $10.5 million, five-year deal the Chicago Cubs gave USC pitcher Mark Prior in 2001. First baseman Mark Teixeira - a Boras client - got a $9.5 million contract that same year.Tampa Bay Rays pitcher David Price, the first pick in 2007 out of Vanderbilt, signed a six-year,$11.5 million deal that included an $8.5 million guarantee. Sour economy notwithstanding, Boras will try to shatter those numbers.

The Nationals, with the first pick, have scouted Strasburg extensively. Acting general manager Mike Rizzo plays coy, suggesting that the Nationals couldpick someone other than Strasburg, but the consensus among executives is that Washington has little choice but to cough up the exorbitant sum Boras willdemand. The team lacks a drawing card. The Nationals were outbid for Teixeira during the offseason. Last year's first-round pick, Aaron Crow, didn'tsign because of a squabble over a few hundred thousand dollars.

The Nationals have told San Diego State officials that their scouts have clocked Strasburg at 103 mph. Yet they won't say so publicly, perhaps fearingthe information will only inflate his price. Asked to confirm the 103 mph readout, a Nationals spokesman checked with top brass and replied via email,"We're gonna take a pass on this one. Thanks for reaching out."

If the Nationals don't take Strasburg out of sheer Boras-phobia, the Seattle Mariners, who pick second, certainly will. The San Diego Padres draft third and they've already come to terms with havingno shot at the hometown boy.

"There's no guarantee drafting pitchers, but barring injury, he is as close to a surefire top-of-the-rotation starter as I've seen," onescouting director said. "And that's the hardest role to fill without going out and paying $100 million on the free-agent market."

The leverage is with Strasburg. He could create more by holding out until moments before the Aug. 15 signing deadline or threatening to play in anindependent league or returning to San Diego State, classic Boras tricks. For now, he'd rather just continue to rear back and fire.

"It's tough to get it out of my head when people bring it up all the time, but it'll take care of itself," Strasburg said. "I'mgoing day to day and trying not to think about that stuff."

Strasburg knows he's the heat of the moment, that his velocity is on the minds of every batter he faces. Don't get him wrong. He understands theallure of velocity, the bigger, better, faster, stronger ethos that runs professional sports. Knock 5 mph off his fastball and knock $5 million off his askingprice.

Strasburg understands, too, that velocity alone will not lead to enshrinement in the Hall of Fame alongside his coach. The list of pitchers who have hadfastballs recorded 102 mph or higher confirms that flamethrowing often equates to flaming out.

Only Randy Johnson and Justin Verlander are major league starters. There are eight relievers and 21-year-old left-hander Aroldis Chapman, who pitches forthe Cuban national team and hit 100 mph in a World Baseball Classic loss to Japan. Chapman was clocked at 102 mph earlier this year.

Radar guns never caught Ryan faster than 100.9 mph. Walter Johnson and Bob Feller are considered the hardest throwers of the pre-gun era, and it'simpossible to quantify their fastest pitches. Feller once threw a pitch alongside a speeding motorcycle that was approximated at an impossible-to-verify 104mph. The pitcher widely acknowledged to have thrown harder than anyone in modern baseball history, Steve Dalkowski, never made it to the big leagues because of wildness.

The hardest throwers pitch from a precipice. They are always one delivery away from a catastrophic injury, something tearing in their shoulder or elbow, adirect result of their singular prowess. Mark Prior, the last golden-armed, can't-miss product from San Diego, hasn't pitched in more than two yearsbecause of injuries.

If Strasburg thinks about any of that, it doesn't show in his day-to-day routine. He loves golf and unwinds at night by putting into a glass in hisbedroom. Although his diet has improved since high school, he devours fast-food chicken sandwiches. And he cracks the books more than a player soon to becomean instant millionaire needs to.

Strasburg, it seems, wants to separate himself. Not just from every other college pitcher - he's already done that. No, he wants something beyond theZumaya, Wohlers and Anderson numbers. Something beyond their fate.

"When I came here I wanted to prove I wasn't soft, that I was a bulldog," he said. "Now I want to leave behind a tradition, that thisschool is somewhere a player can come to develop, and to win.

"I'll have more to prove later. I understand that. Maybe if I keep the same approach and just pitch, just get batters out and not worry about theother stuff, I can keep doing this for a long time."

I personally think the guy is the best PITCHING prospect since Mark Prior but not the best of all time. There has never been such hype on a prospect everand its crazy to think that he could command a $50 million contract coming outta college
 
I hope to GOD, that the Nats are stupid and cheap enough not to pick him with the first pick. It will be scary seeing him shutting out the Mets in 2-3 years
 
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

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the Nationals will draft him and sign him. they won't and can't let Strasburg slip away. it doesn't matter what Strasburg and Borasdemand, he will be a National- no doubt about it.
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I was looking thru the other post and seen that Truth posted this blasphemy:


I've been tellin yall about dude for the past 2 seasons.. But nobody pays attention to the college baseball post..

State has had some sick recruits the past 5 or so years.. Romero, Gwynn jr, Strasburg, Cam

He also has an arsenal of pitches..
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Best prospect ever?
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He's not better than david price..

Cmon now...
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This kid is not going to last.
2 full healthy season tops in the pro`s more as a closer.

Who is teaching kids to throw like Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Joel Zumaya, and AJ Burrnett?
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Honestly, I`m not claiming to be a doctor or something but at some logic has to take over.
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Watch the kid pitch... It's unbelievable...

The fastball is a little straight, but the two sliders he throws are
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Roy Hobbs was the greatest prospect ever..

On a real note, I wish this kid would just be hungry to get in and play ball. It sucks to hear another story of a young athlete with desires to be compensated"evenly" for their amount of skill. I understand that anyone would want to be paid, but I just wish more athletes put the desire to play over gettingpaid.

However, for the sake of American baseball, I hope this kid has a long successful career. Seeing the joy of two countries, besides our owns, fighting it outlast night was awesome; although sad due to the realization of our country not participating in the finals of the WBC.

Anyways if the Nationals pass, surely my Mariners would get him. That would be amazing.
 
If only SDSUs football program could attract such prospects.

SS is the truth.

Word to Royce Ring LOL.
 
I was looking thru the other post and seen that Truth posted this blasphemy:


I've been tellin yall about dude for the past 2 seasons.. But nobody pays attention to the college baseball post..

State has had some sick recruits the past 5 or so years.. Romero, Gwynn jr, Strasburg, Cam

He also has an arsenal of pitches..
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Best prospect ever?
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He's not better than david price..

Cmon now...
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He's not a better pitcher than david price.. SS throws harder, obviously... But price will have the better career.. guarantee you

And i've seen SS pitch countless amount of times.. His buzz has been silly in san diego over the past 2 years..
 
Even though it will suck to see this guy most likely pound the mets, the National's need all the help they can get.
 
The Nats better draft 2 polished college guys with those Top 10 picks in July...

Strasburg, Zimmerman, and another strong college arm puts them in an interesting spot... Granted, it's still highly unlikely all three pan out, but thosethree guys would be as good a trio of pitching prospects as you'd find in baseball...
 
^ goes to show u no matter how hard u throw, major leaguers will turn it around .....
 
Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

The fastball is a little straight, but the two sliders he throws are
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How much movement do you expect on a 100+ mph fastball?

Or am I totally missing what you're trying to get at. You know i'm a little out of my element in these baseball threads
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i have a question.....

Why do they let these guys pitch so many innings in college? arent they just ruining his worth destroying his arm....i mena its only natural that an arm willget hurt....thats why ppl like josh beckett are always hurt.
 
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Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

The fastball is a little straight, but the two sliders he throws are
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How much movement do you expect on a 100+ mph fastball?

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Well, that's the problem with a lot of these guys that throw 100+ ... The fact that it's getting to hitters so quick makes up for some ofit, but when it gets turned on, it's gonna get mashed... Granted, guys that can turn on 100+ consistently are few and far between...

You look at guys like Brandon Webb and Mike Pelfrey, throwing mid-90s and literally the bottom drops out as it gets to the plate...

But Strasburg is throwing 100+ heat, ripping off sliders in the low-90s, and the change is great too... He's gonna be a star...
 
Saw him play last week against my friend who plays for BYU. His fastball is a legit 101. He got pulled in the 7th and BYU won.
 
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