Am I wrong? (long read with Cliff Notes)

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I have a friend that I exchange ideas with frequently. I know him from my old job (when he was living in GA. He's in NY now) and I've known him nowfor about 2 / 2.5 years now. If I have a good idea, I'll run it by him and see what he thinks about the idea, and vice versa. So about two weeks ago, I hada really good idea that I knew we would come to agreeing on and he could offer really good advice about. I share the idea with him, and we begin to brainstormand put everything down on paper. We agree not to discuss the idea with anyone else but, as expected, eventually we both tell our families about it, and leteach other know. I cant speak much on what it is because we have yet to work out all the legal details and have it where I can openly discuss it to the public(if anyone has good information about this, I would appreciate the help). So as we get plans together and things start to fall into place for phase one, werealize that this will require a ton of money and resources that we really dont have. I thought about outsourcing and having someone fund the project and theywould get a percentage, and at that point, it was really looking like the only option versus taking a TON of time and figuring out how to build it ourselves orsaving money for the resources. This would not be efficient because with any good idea, getting it out as quick as possible is always the best idea beforesomeone else does. So we were pretty much stuck at that point and looking for options for funding.

Friday night, one of my friends who I havnt seen in a while hit me up out of the blue like "Come through..." so I went to his spot and we chopped itup. I've known this guy since the 7th grade. We've been tight since then. Never fell out, and I completely trust him along with about 5 other peoplethat are in our close circle. So were out on the balcony talking, and I tell him "I had an excellent idea that I have to tell you about..." andhe's like "Me too..." (Mind you, this is the second person outside of my family that I'm sharing this with). So I'm like "Cool, butlet me tell you about mine first..." so I give him a gist of what it's about and he's like "Me too." so I'm like "%%! you mean'me too'?!" he said "I had the exact same idea yesterday!" He goes to the kitchen and gets this sheet of paper that he had written itdown on and shows it to me. Sure enough, he wrote it down and there was no denying. Basically, the way I see it, it was a devine intervention. What are thechances of that happening? I havnt seen him since maybe this time last year, and THIS is what happens when we get up next? Cant be coincodence... So, obviouslyI decide it's a good idea to join up with him and work on the project together. He goes to Emory University, and he has the resources that me and my otherboy were missing. He knows people in law, business and IT (web design), and he's pretty well known around campus to get the word out about the project oncewere ready. It would be dumb to NOT join up.

Now, all I'm thinking is "How am I going to explain this to the kid in NY without it sounding totally unbelieveable? I knew that he was gonna think Iwanted to drop him from being included and pick up my boy down here for whatever reason, BUT that's NOT the case. It happened just like how I explained andsince the project is not really a physical item, location and all that is really not an issue. So when I tell him about what happened, he's like"Yeahh.. But I think we should stick to doing it with just us two because our idea is better..." Given, the two ideas were different in the SLIGHTESTway that he probably would have modified in the future to make it the same anyway... So I tell him about how it would be better beause of our limited resourcesand all that, but he's still saying that we shouldnt join up. I personally think it would be a bad idea to compete against a long time friend whenthere's not point in doing so and it would be plain dumb to do it when he has the resources that we lack.I think it's a greed issue with him that wewould have to split the money up in more ways than two.

So, was I wrong for doing what I did? I was talking to another friend of mine today, and I basically told her exactly what I typed above and she says "itsays a lot about you as a business man." and I'm sitting here like "So you're saying I have bad character?" She says, "No, I justsee where your friend is comming from." And I'm like, I do too, but it was my idea, and I dont think I was wrong for what I did. She tells me thatI'm wrong for saying "but it was my idea..." and "You wouldnt see why anything's wrong with what you did and that's why it says alot about you." What the hell is that supposed to mean?! She called me stubborn for not changing my opinion on how I feel about the situation, and thatI'm wrong for doing that. So you cant be stubborn about what you believe in now? If anything, that says a lot about HER as a person in my opinion...




What would you do in this situation?

Do you think I'm wrong for what I did?

What's your opinion on what my friend (the female) is saying?






Cliff Notes:

- I had an idea that will make a ton of money
- Shared the idea with a friend of mine who I often exchange ideas with, and is also not in the same state as me.
- We begin to impliment the idea, but soon find out we dont have the resources to complete the project.
- I found out that a close friend of mine who has the resources we need ended up having the same idea as me through unbelieveable circumstances.
- I tell my boy in NY that we should partner with him.
- He disagrees because he says our idea is better, but I think it's a greed issue with him...
- I ask another friend of mine for her input and she says that I'm wrong for not consulting him before I shared the idea.
- I explain to her that it was my idea and that I dont think I'm wrong for doing what I did. She says I'm even more wrong for saying that.
- I need your input.

Not apologizing for the long read.
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Originally Posted by dopestop

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I did not understand %%$+


Man, my bad. I tried to make it as clear as possible. Probably too many details? Cliff Notes wernt clear?
 
Cant believe I read all that
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Anyway, it looks like you in a tight place, since your college friend thought it up an his own, I think he should take care of his idea by himself and youwith the first friend. I have a project in the brainstorm phase myself with a good friend; cant see my self switching teams on him like that.

To the business man comment: I think she meant you would rather go with the situation most likely to succeed (second friend) because of the second friend'sresources and or abilities; like "Hey that's business, he had a better chance of making this project pop off etc....."
I can't tell you who to do business with, but are you willing to cut the first friend off?

Supr
 
Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Cliff notes were too long of a read. Sorry.
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I guess it would've been better to at least mention you were going to speak about the idea to the other person

then again, if I was in his shoes I doubt I'd be pissed, more like elated that someone was joining the project too...dude might be a little worried he maybe getting pushed out of the situation tho, cause you're bringing in someone with the financial pockets and someone you've known longer
 
if its yo idea its yo can do as you plz with it

if person A doesnt have want it takes move to the next point blank
 
Originally Posted by SuprDuperFly

Cant believe I read all that
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Anyway, it looks like you in a tight place, since your college friend thought it up an his own, I think he should take care of his idea by himself and you with the first friend. I have a project in the brainstorm phase myself with a good friend; cant see my self switching teams on him like that.

To the business man comment: I think she meant you would rather go with the situation most likely to succeed (second friend) because of the second friend's resources and or abilities; like "Hey that's business, he had a better chance of making this project pop off etc....."
I can't tell you who to do business with, but are you willing to cut the first friend off?

Supr


Yeah, but the thing is, I'm NOT anybody off, and I'm not going into business with him ONLY because he has resources. This is my CLOSE friend who I haveknown far longer than the first guy, so that made me want to include him before I even knew of the resources he had. He informed me on that AFTER we decided weshould work on it together.

The product is digital, so location should not be an issue. I just think the other guy is a little insecure about the us being in GA and him being in NY ANDsplitting the money in more ways than two. But we plan on working WITH him.
 
You need to figure out how you want to continue with the project on your own.
You proposed this project to your friend, and offered him a position as a PARTNER.
Meaning you gave him equal rights to how this project pans out and moves forward.
You did kind of undermine him by getting into talks with someone else without his knowledge.
But the real question is whether you think this original partnership is gonna work out,
especially if you keep feeling that since it was your initial project, you'll always feel like you have
more right to the company than he does. If that's the case, then you shouldn't have offered him
a partnership position.
 
Business is business. Roll with your boy with the resources. This other dude is gonna be taking 17% out of your pocket and is not bringing much to the tablefrom what I can tell

You gotta be ruthless in business sometimes and carrying "dead weight" is not a smart decision
 
Originally Posted by SlamCity

You need to figure out how you want to continue with the project on your own.
You proposed this project to your friend, and offered him a position as a PARTNER.
Meaning you gave him equal rights to how this project pans out and moves forward.
You did kind of undermine him by getting into talks with someone else without his knowledge.
But the real question is whether you think this original partnership is gonna work out,
especially if you keep feeling that since it was your initial project, you'll always feel like you have
more right to the company than he does. If that's the case, then you shouldn't have offered him
a partnership position.


I see you, but nothing was written. We didnt even have any kind of verbal agreement besides "Dont tell anyone else." Which we BOTH broke. So how doyou bring up ethics at this point, if you want to look at it this way? All we can do now is keep it kosher and honesty like we have been doing. Were stillcommunication every day and he seems to be more at ease with it now than he was at first.

I still dont think I'm wrong.
 
I hope your idea is some sort of invention that keeps your cookie from falling to the bottom of the milk. I hate that @!$@.

Then you have to get your fingers all wet trying to dig the cookie out,

because I'll be damned if I sat there dunking a cookie for 30 seconds and I'm not even going to get to eat it
 
youre gonna need to tell your boy who you told first to suck it up and all three of you go in together

it would be pretty grimey for you to leave him hanging like that, so just give him a choice to either make it a three man operation or he's outta the deal.that way you can say you gave him a fair chance.
 
I think that you weren't wrong at all given the fact that y'all really didn't put effort into the project yet. On the other hand, this may soundwierd, but what if guy #1 told guy #2 about the plan beforehand behind your back and guy #2 lied to you about just thinking about this plan? What if this was ascheme to use you for the both of them to succeed and leave you behind? Maybe I'm thinking too much, but it's not impossible for this to be the case.

BTW: I actually read all of that.
 
Originally Posted by TeflanDon

I think that you weren't wrong at all given the fact that y'all really didn't put effort into the project yet. On the other hand, this may sound wierd, but what if guy #1 told guy #2 about the plan beforehand behind your back and guy #2 lied to you about just thinking about this plan? What if this was a scheme to use you for the both of them to succeed and leave you behind? Maybe I'm thinking too much, but it's not impossible for this to be the case.

BTW: I actually read all of that.


Thanks for reading.

There's no way at all possible that they could have arranged that. They dont know each other at all. #1 moved from NY not too long after we met and he justmoved back, so there's a really slim chance that they know each other to pull something off like that.
 
forget your friend. roll with the new guy. make your money. cliffnotes: nice guys finished last. trust me, I know, because I was that guy up until last year.Now, notsomuch.
 
What I grasped from the cliffnotes.. If it was originally your idea, its your choice who you share it with. No1 else. I personally wouldnt of told/dealt a 2ndparty unless (your boy) unless I needed him for the project.
 
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