Beanie Sigel signed with G-Unit??

Are u serious?

jthagreat put it best........"Em and Dre with the cosign?
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You're in the state of denial...
Not even, you asked a simple question and I answered it, as a whole 50 got a big co-sign by SIGNING TO SHADY/AFTERMATH. If you can't seethat, then you my friend are the one that is in a state of denial.

That was one of the biggest bidding wars in hip hop history... All from 50's street buzz...



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How do you know, were in the conference rooms when these figures werebeing thrown out to 50. We all know 50 had a huge buzzed based upon his mixtapes, but yet he ended up signing with Em and Dre. One of the best rappers ofall-time, one of the best producers of all-time. Talk about a winning combination champ, he had everything he needed to a have a big launch.
 
So Shady & Aftermath > Def Jam??

Jay Z/Roc A Fella's Def Jam cosign (courtesy of Irv Gotti) isn't a Em & Dre cosign??

And if 50's wasn't one of the biggest bidding wars, why don't you tell me who was??...

How are you guys trying to discredit 50 for signin to a winning team... Who else outside of Em was platinum or multi platinum on Shady Aftermath before 50came?? Remember Aftermath's first release was in 1996 champ...
 
So Shady & Aftermath > Def Jam??
No but at this timeframe in question for 50 Interscope>Def Jam.

Jay Z/Roc A Fella's Def Jam cosign (courtesy of Irv Gotti) isn't a Em & Dre cosign??

Not even close to being one in the same simply cause more people know who Em and Dre are as opposed to Irv Gotti. Also, more a power standpoint Em &Dre>Irv Gotti. Now, do you wanna disagree with that??

And if 50's wasn't one of the biggest bidding wars, why don't you tell me who was??...
No you tell me, since he was involved in one of the biggest bidding wars ever. How much was offered to him and from which companies, since yougave the original statement. Or are you just throwing out random b.s. as usual my man. Nobody is trying to discredit 50 from anything, he signed to thewinning team and took full advantage, good for him cause alot of artists get signed to a winning team and end up not doing anything with their givenopportunity. Other artists, not many however, end up created their own winning team.
 
Originally Posted by Deuce King

So Shady & Aftermath > Def Jam??
No but at this timeframe in question for 50 Interscope>Def Jam.

Jay Z/Roc A Fella's Def Jam cosign (courtesy of Irv Gotti) isn't a Em & Dre cosign??

Not even close to being one in the same simply cause more people know who Em and Dre are as opposed to Irv Gotti. Also, more a power standpoint Em & Dre>Irv Gotti. Now, do you wanna disagree with that??

And if 50's wasn't one of the biggest bidding wars, why don't you tell me who was??...
No you tell me, since he was involved in one of the biggest bidding wars ever. How much was offered to him and from which companies, since you gave the original statement. Or are you just throwing out random b.s. as usual my man. Nobody is trying to discredit 50 from anything, he signed to the winning team and took full advantage, good for him cause alot of artists get signed to a winning team and end up not doing anything with their given opportunity. Other artists, not many however, end up created their own winning team.








So Irv Gotti bringing the 3 artists (DMX, Jay Z & Ja Rule) that revamped the label means nothing then...

But Jay Z signing the people he signed makes him a genius... You've defended Jay's presidency, but you're downplaying Irv Gotti who brought Def Jam3 artists that went on to sell over 30 or 40 million albums... Come on

So that's how it works?? Give Jay Z credit when he doesn't deserve it, then not give it to others when they are deserving...

Dr Dre is a great producer, nobody will ever take that from him... Eminem is a great rapper... But there's no way you can compare what either one of themdid @ Shady/Aftermath to what Irv Gotti did for IDJ... He saved Def Jam (which is known as the "Greatest Hip Hop Label").... Created a brand inMurder Inc that had a impressive run from 98-04...

Aftermath was a label since 96... First 2 projects flopped pretty bad if you remember...
No you tell me, since he was involved in one of the biggest bidding wars ever. How much was offered to him and from which companies, since you gave the original statement. Or are you just throwing out random b.s. as usual my man

50 got somewhere around 800,000 signing bonus for his deal he signed (according to a Maxim article from 03)... Joe 3H from Capital (the same guy that tried tosign Kanye) brought 50 there but they where scared... Obviously 50 told his story about Bad Boy wanting him...

No but at this timeframe in question for 50 Interscope>Def Jam.
What?? in 2002, with Def Jam having 8 or 9 multi platinum/platinum artits on their roster?? Look @ the IDJ catalog thread...

You're just willing to rewrite all history when it comes to proving your point...
 
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at the Jay stan in here. ##$@'s been going on ever since theDipset beef. Jay can do no wrong to some i swear. Pathetic.
 
Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Simple question... Who got more help...

Jay or 50
In general I would say 50. Now if you narrow it down to a certain aspect of the game I might tell you differently.

You're in the state of denial...

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Is there something in your STANism that doesn't allow you to tell the truth if it hurts Jay Z?? Come on fam...

Jay Z was riding coatails from 1989 till 96... There was no bidding war for him, Irv Gotti got Roc A Fella that deal @ Def Jam... This is sad...

You conviently forget that Fif was the most sought after free agent just off of his SELF MADE mixtape buzz even before he got signed to shady/aftermath?
That was one of the biggest bidding wars in hip hop history... All from 50's street buzz...

Jay Z Stans are in denial...
you can also add that if it wasn't for foxy brown already on da label jay-z wouldn't have gotten signed.
 
Originally Posted by EastCoastPapi

Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Def Jam> Shady/Aftermath (No Brainer)

Jay Z/Roc A Fella's Def Jam cosign (biggie, ll cool j, jaz-o, big daddy kane, puff vol 1, foxy brown) (courtesy of Irv Gotti) isn't a Em & Dre cosign??

50 was the biggest bidding war in rap history!

Jay stans are in denail
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Originally Posted by Deuce King

So Shady & Aftermath > Def Jam??
No but at this timeframe in question for 50 Interscope>Def Jam.




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this was 2003 everything def jam touch still turned to gold and platinum those years...

da only reason def jam ain't touch 50 cent was because its alliance to jay-z and Ja Rule

Lyor Cohen and Kevin lyles def jam were still runnin that label..duece stanish ways is oozing outta his pores....
 
what is even being argued?

Who is it that Jay got help from (the og statement) that started this debate?
answer that so we can compare to them em-dre cosign.

honestly i have no clue whats being asked. what irv have to do with anything? again not discrediting anything, just tryin to understand.
 
Damn there really is no middle ground to you guys. You got one end downplaying irv, and the other comparing the roc to derty ent
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Originally Posted by Wade187

Damn there really is no middle ground to you guys. You got one end downplaying irv, and the other comparing the roc to derty ent
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"We all we got!"
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Originally Posted by Wade187

Damn there really is no middle ground to you guys. You got one end downplaying irv, and the other comparing the roc to derty ent
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not downplaying, i know he produced on RD, but i didnt know it went much beyond that? S!!! Im sittin here askin for yall to "kick knowledge" andfolks not. Yall (not you wade) is funny characters.
 
Originally Posted by Deuce King

Originally Posted by Harlem On The Rise

Simple question... Who got more help...

Jay or 50
In general I would say 50.
this dude GOTTA be 14...

have we forgotten Jaz-0? big daddy kane? puff, big, lil kim, foxy brown, irv gotti?

all those people help put jay-z on...all 50 had was jam master jay, onyx, dre and em, not to mention WAYYYY less time in da industry.
 
and to put it in NT terms, all Em and Dre really did was do their best impression of "Captain Obvious"

Em : "hey dre this kidd 50 cent is on fire right now, we need to sign him ASAP!"

*tosses these CD's on Dre's desk*
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Dr. Dre : "hmmm....get him on a plane."

50 cent mania had already taken over NYC, along with diplomats and d-block, except 50 cent was da only one doin wit as a free agent, you gotta be a completeretard NOT to

sign him at that time....AND not to mention duke was already turning down deals before he saw da shady/aftermath deal.
 
50 was being black balled which makes it more funny that dude is honestly sayin 50 got more help than Jay...

But to answer jthagreat, Irv Gotti is the reason Roc A Fella situation happened @ Def Jam... He got the "Aint No N" joint put on the Nutty Professorsoundtrack (Def Jam)... He brought DMX to Def Jam & obviously you know about Ja Rule/Ashanti already...

Duece King is for some reason trying to downplay Irv Gotti's role, and the power & influence he had in the industry @ one point...

And he thinks Interscope was in better shape then Def Jam in 02...
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have we forgotten Jaz-0? big daddy kane? puff, big, lil kim, foxy brown, irv gotti?
Which is why Jay signed with any of the aforementioned people you just mentioned correct??

you gotta be a complete ****** NOT to

sign him at that time....AND not to mention duke was already turning down deals before he saw da shady/aftermath deal.


Even with all that being said, 50 still was not signed/or didn't sign a deal until Shady/Aftermath came along. For all intense purposes before Em and Dreshowed interest, 50 Cent very well could have just remained a mixtape king and stayed that way for quite some time, similar to how Gucci Mane is.

50 was being black balled which makes it more funny that dude is honestly sayin 50 got more help than Jay...


You just proved my case with the statement in bold on who got more help, thanks champ.

Duece King is for some reason trying to downplay Irv Gotti's role, and the power & influence he had in the industry @ one point...

For all intense purposes in his role with Jay Z at the time, Irv Gotti would be considered a lobbyist. Irv Gotti isn't/aint as well known as Em or Dre. Now do you want to sit up here and tell me otherwise.
 
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