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I caught this too.
LMAO at Drake fans talking stupid with the > Kendrick talk. Y'all crazy.
big sean featuring kendrick lamar and jay electronica "no i.d" freestyle
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I caught this too.
LMAO at Drake fans talking stupid with the > Kendrick talk. Y'all crazy.
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I mean what new dude from NY does Joe want to say anything? One of them ASAP dudes?
Joey Bad *** is a beast though.
@ Lupe. Son probably looks at Kendrick thinking "That's what I shoulda been".
he is what lupe shoulda been.. lupes the grant hill or penny hardaway or rap.. so many initial flashes but never were able to put it all together and become an all-time great.
he's legit hurt. all he does is whine on twitter these days
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The thing is these guys are in different lanes. I LOVED big sean when I first heard his finally famous series I thought he was next. Dude has changed a bit since he's gotten more famous and Detroit was a nice reminder of his older ways. I'm curious how HOF is though.
Drake isn't a better rapper than Kendrick on any metric I can think of personsally
BUT Drake has a fantastic sound and his albums spud extremely polished musically, not slightin Drizzy bc he can definitely spit but Kendrick is a monster. Drake is the bigger overall star no doubt. Kendrick is more hard rap but he has a similar musicality with his songs even going back to his earlier projects. I guess I see why drake gets the hate he does but the guy is a mega star and is multi faceted as an artist. Between him, Cole, KRIT, and Kendrick the upcoming (well let's face it these guys are very well known now) is extremely promising and I'm excited for the future. I'm a fan of all of em
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@shoeking re: Yeezus - I don't listen to Kanye West music for insightful lyrics, never have never will. To me he's an extraordinarily talented music producer in the truest sense of producing music, and Yeezus is a reach that worked for me. I get it doesn't work for everyone but I can't dismiss it as garbage music, especially compared to something so basic and safe as the Cole album. I want an artist to take chances and try to advance a culture. To see an artist like Kanye who could go multi-platinum with a "Kanye album" put out something like Yeezus...to me that says something about the man as an artist and as someone in hip hop worth paying close attention to.
@shoeking re: Sales - I currently work at a prominent law firm in the music industry. I've worked and interned all over the industry. I have family that works in the industry. Compared to where the music industry once was, nobody buys music. 15 years ago, the Cole album would be at least 2x platinum and Kanye would do double. Music business is changing, business models are changing, everything's changing. Used to be game of dollars and albums, now a game of pennies and singles. Promotion in every way is more important than it's ever been.
@Lyon - Jay Elec is not so old that he can't drop an album that is superior to what the younger cats are releasing. I'd argue he's in a position to release 2-3 landmark-type of albums. I'm not saying he would definitely come thru with amazing music, but he is more capable than most of the upstarts right now. The fact that it's Kendrick that spit the verse is definitely an important factor in the whole discussion, though. Jay Elec calling everyone out would be a whole different issue.
@shoeking re: Sales - I currently work at a prominent law firm in the music industry. I've worked and interned all over the industry. I have family that works in the industry. Compared to where the music industry once was, nobody buys music. 15 years ago, the Cole album would be at least 2x platinum and Kanye would do double. Music business is changing, business models are changing, everything's changing. Used to be game of dollars and albums, now a game of pennies and singles. Promotion in every way is more important than it's ever been.
@Lyon - Jay Elec is not so old that he can't drop an album that is superior to what the younger cats are releasing. I'd argue he's in a position to release 2-3 landmark-type of albums. I'm not saying he would definitely come thru with amazing music, but he is more capable than most of the upstarts right now. The fact that it's Kendrick that spit the verse is definitely an important factor in the whole discussion, though. Jay Elec calling everyone out would be a whole different issue.
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Just stop man
People saying jay didn't bring enough energy his verse came in on a piano
Kendrick the best dead or alive???
That's where I unsubscribe lol
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yeah i think drake might take it as a diss. i dont think drake thinks he belongs in that list.Do you mean real offense, like a diss? Or that he may actually step his game up on the rap tip? Pusha T & Krit are more than likely already working, and Fab to an extent. Lupe unknowingly is cause his most hurt out of everybody, cause he wasn't even mentioned. Drake can go in when he wants, usually when he has nothing to do with Wa_n_, but then he comes back with something that Tank and Tyrese should be singing.
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but something going over your head, which his verses obviously do, is a testament to your level of understanding.
that's not their fault (don't know why you included Sean...his verses should not go over your head) it's just
that you prefer someone w/ Drake's level of simplicity in his rhymes while still being clever. nothing wrong w/ that.
but that doesn't make the rapper TOO lyrical imo.
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this entire statement was was Battier's shooting before the Finals
It's entirely true though
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Why don't people get this
I find him painful to listen to him at times, but only because of his voice.
With all the really bad rappers out here, I have a hard time understanding how dudes think he's wack. I just tried to sit through a couple of A$ap Ferg songs and was
I guess it's your opinion
i promise this brought the lame out of so many of y'all
Drake and Jay throw subliminals: "OMG OMG Rap is so soft. dudes used to say NAMES in songs. and everybody wanna be friends now ugggghhh"
Kendrick drops verse: "this is just name dropping. nothing special. dude just wants attention because GKMC flopped and nobody cares about him anymore"
Next thing you're going to hear is they didn't do subliminals back in the day. When they always have. Look at South Bronx. They only did it directly when it was one on one, and even then MC Shan did whole songs aimed at KRS without mentioning his name. That was part of the sport.
People started naming names when they thought it could help their popularity and sell records.
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Welp.
This is all over the internet. Now Kendrick is everyones favorite rapper all of a sudden
Random ******* I ain't ever seen talking about Kendrick talm'bout some "Thats right Kendrick, murder these ******"
This is all over the internet. Now Kendrick is everyones favorite rapper all of a sudden
Random ******* I ain't ever seen talking about Kendrick talm'bout some "Thats right Kendrick, murder these ******"
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Welp.
This is all over the internet. Now Kendrick is everyones favorite rapper all of a sudden
Random ******* I ain't ever seen talking about Kendrick talm'bout some "Thats right Kendrick, murder these ******"
Kendrick was a very popular rapper already though
you talking like he was Danny Brown.
and isn't that the point of every new verse? to gain fans?
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Yep... I caught those four bars
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Welp.
This is all over the internet. Now Kendrick is everyones favorite rapper all of a sudden
Random ******* I ain't ever seen talking about Kendrick talm'bout some "Thats right Kendrick, murder these ******"
Kendrick was a very popular rapper already though
you talking like he was Danny Brown.
and isn't that the point of every new verse? to gain fans?
I'm not saying the dude doesn't deserve new fans.
I'm talking about the people who don't listen to dude outside of "***** don't kill my vibe" on the radio talking about how their new "favorite rapper" is murdering everyones "favorite rapper"
Knowing damn well their "yesterday" favorite rapper is one of the ****** Kendrick just nuked
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@IncredibleEv he didn't produce anything on Yeezus though. Multiple people including people from his own camp have stated that he doesn't produce anything anymore, and hasn't for a few years now. So i'm assuming his part in Yeezus comes in with the overall direction of the album and the rapping. Just because someones goes left and "pushes the genre and culture with experimentation" does not make it good. If its bad, its bad. Personally, I didn't hear "genre bending, culture changing" music with Yeezus. Honestly, it sounded like someone who had too much time in his hands and just started bs'ing with beats in the studio with all that obscure yelling and what not on a few of those tracks. And finally...the raps were piss poor. Can't be pushing the Genre forward with raps as bad as that. Period. Any way you slice it.
And in regards to sales, I too am in the industry to a degree and at the point of it all is that moving units is obviously still very much possible. While the motive behind buying music has changed, (Before, people bought music to actually get the music to listen to. Now, people buy the music out of support) the fact still remains that units still get moved. No disrespect to any of what you said, but fact of the matter is the biggest artist of today are moving heavy units. Drizzy moved over 630k last album, Weezy's last signature album moved over 900K. If you look at the sales from the 90's on to today, only Makaveli put up the numbers that these hip-hop artist are putting out today. There were others who sold well, but they didn't sell anymore than the prominent artist of today are selling.
And in regards to sales, I too am in the industry to a degree and at the point of it all is that moving units is obviously still very much possible. While the motive behind buying music has changed, (Before, people bought music to actually get the music to listen to. Now, people buy the music out of support) the fact still remains that units still get moved. No disrespect to any of what you said, but fact of the matter is the biggest artist of today are moving heavy units. Drizzy moved over 630k last album, Weezy's last signature album moved over 900K. If you look at the sales from the 90's on to today, only Makaveli put up the numbers that these hip-hop artist are putting out today. There were others who sold well, but they didn't sell anymore than the prominent artist of today are selling.
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I think it's good for Hip Hop. Cats are too comfortable and need to take the Gary Payton approach to things, u can be coo off the court, but once u step inside those lines, be ready for a fight. Nothin wrong w/ some friendly competition.
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I like this take on it. Have some rep
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Kendrick the best dead or alive???
That's where I unsubscribe lol
And this is why I stopped coming to the music forum, because some of you act like stating your opinion equals stating a fact. I'm sorry that through two mixtapes, one album, and a bunch of songs made before he got on that I feel this dudes music so much. Name me five rappers that you feel are better and Ill be happy to give my OPINION on why I think otherwise.
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I don't agree with the J Cole part.
15 years ago that album might sell the same, because it would stand out less.
In the 90's Kendrick and J Cole wouldn't stand out as much as they do now. Which is part of their appeal.
A lot of Kendrick and J Cole fans have the same snobby attitude that dudes in to Company Flow, Black Star and MF Doom had. **** cracks me up.
That is production
You're saying he's not beat making
If he likes your drums and thinks they're better he's going to use them. He does the same thing with lyrics. He takes bars from other rappers to compose a song. He had a bunch of rappers write to a particular beat and then took a line if he liked it.
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Kendrick did exactly what he needed to.
The **** Freck billionaire and Jim Jones hurt about? Sideline *** ******
The **** Freck billionaire and Jim Jones hurt about? Sideline *** ******
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Damn, Big Sean is really underrated on here I guess because I don't venture into the music forum as much so I'm very surprised. To each its own. I think he's someone who's extremely versatile, and Detroit to me was a great album. HoF appears to me like it will be even better.
And as I alluded to before in this thread, Drake as big of a megastar that he is, is still underrated when it comes to rapping IMO. In this thread alone I saw things like "Drake isn't close to kendrick rapping wise" and things like that. To me, his ability to compose songs with singing and melody completely overshadows the fact that he raps well...very well. There are several examples where Drake flat out raps better than virtually everybody else, (and I would post the records but I think post of you have heard them) but gets overshadowed by Girls love Beyonce, and the Marvin's Rooms of his catalog. While I love those records and think it speaks volumes to his versatility, most see those records and point to those records as to why he can't out rap kendrick, or whoever else gets called great because they over-rap the hell out of their verses.
But i'm sleep though.
I guess because I don't venture into the music forum as much so I'm very surprised. To each its own. I think he's someone who's extremely versatile, and Detroit to me was a great album. HoF appears to me like it will be even better. And as I alluded to before in this thread, Drake as big of a megastar that he is, is still underrated when it comes to rapping IMO. In this thread alone I saw things like "Drake isn't close to kendrick rapping wise" and things like that. To me, his ability to compose songs with singing and melody completely overshadows the fact that he raps well...very well. There are several examples where Drake flat out raps better than virtually everybody else, (and I would post the records but I think post of you have heard them) but gets overshadowed by Girls love Beyonce, and the Marvin's Rooms of his catalog. While I love those records and think it speaks volumes to his versatility, most see those records and point to those records as to why he can't out rap kendrick, or whoever else gets called great because they over-rap the hell out of their verses.
But i'm sleep though.
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@DaddyRabbit no doubt bro, Jay elect on a pure lyrical ability to create dope songs is top 10 all time...I just have to punish him due to his reluctance to make music and I don't believe his album will drop in the next 2 yrs unfortunately, he is extremely capable of dropping heat that would be better than 99% of stuff out now by old and newer cats...with him though its always "could be" and hypotheticals and hoping he drops something eventually if ever. But he's 36 though so I dunno how hopeful we can be for music, and he married that heiress too I think so his lack of motivation before has become even less now probably
All in all this will benefit listeners, he clearly touched a nerve and the ones not mentioned seem to be taking it the worst, even older guys who weren't the main targets. It'll be a win all around for hip hop
and I don't believe his album will drop in the next 2 yrs unfortunately, he is extremely capable of dropping heat that would be better than 99% of stuff out now by old and newer cats...with him though its always "could be" and hypotheticals and hoping he drops something eventually if ever. But he's 36 though so I dunno how hopeful we can be for music, and he married that heiress too I think so his lack of motivation before has become even less now probably All in all this will benefit listeners, he clearly touched a nerve and the ones not mentioned seem to be taking it the worst, even older guys who weren't the main targets. It'll be a win all around for hip hop
