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My friends who are Lakers fans are confident that if they can't woo 'Bron in 2014, that they'll make a good run at Rose in 2015.
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My friends who are Lakers fans are confident that if they can't woo 'Bron in 2014, that they'll make a good run at Rose in 2015.
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If we turn into a 1/2nd round exit type of team it wouldn't surprise me?
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it definitely wouldnt surprise me in the least
Reinsdorf needs to realize the White Sox are a sinking ship and needs to get on GarPax to bring in some real talent to help D.Rose. I know the Bulls currently are focused on either bringing up diminishing talent that no one else wants or picking up young talent and developing it, but at some point they need to step out of their comfort zone and make a push for big name help. Love is the perfect fit for this team.
If Rose leaves the Bulls, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for 2-3 more decades. They FO needs to realize how blessed they were to get him in the first place and need to do anything in their power to get him the help he needs.
Off topic, but I really like what I have been seeing in Nate Robinson, Jimmy Butler, and to a lesser extent Marco Polo this season thus far
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1.) There is no way Minnesota gives up Love without Noah coming back. They need that all-star to save face. That being said...I'll give them Deng, Noah, Mirotic and Boozer. I'll take my chances on finding a third star who will want to play with the two hardest working and humble guys in the game. KD is darn humble too.
Two 24 year olds together for the next few years....good lawd.
2.) Keep Hope Alive...
Two 24 year olds together for the next few years....good lawd.
2.) Keep Hope Alive...
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They can give everyone BUT Rose and Noah. I think it's essential to keep Rose/Noah together because they're the two best players on this team. I mean I'd trade Noah for a Lebron or Dwight but for Kevin Love type player I'd pass. Not if we can keep Deng though. A Rose/Love combo alone isn't enticing to me, unless we could get Harden or Gordon or some premier wing player somehow.
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name me one thing noah does besides "hustle"
love is three years younger and doesn't have the injury history noah does. i love noah's game, but there is no way i'm turning down a love deal to keep him.
love is three years younger and doesn't have the injury history noah does. i love noah's game, but there is no way i'm turning down a love deal to keep him.
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Are you serious? Noah is one of the best defensive centers in the league. Losing him is monumental because he is important to Thibs' system. Him and Love together would be the best rebounding tandem in the league hands down. I mean we were one of the best rebounding teams before but with two bigs that can out-rebound anyone means more shot attempts for our offense. And it isn't exactly like Love is good defensively. He's made a vast improvement in his offense as well. I think it would be ill-advised to trade him unless we'd get Pekovic back.
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Not only is Noah one of the best defensive centers in the league (his rotations are unparalleled), he's also a great passing big man. The only problem is Minnesota would absolutely demand Noah in any trade scenario. Even David Kahn isn't that dumb.
But yes, a Rose/Love/Noah combo would be ridiculous.
But yes, a Rose/Love/Noah combo would be ridiculous.
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The Timberwolves actually are banging down the Lakers door for Pau... They want to pair him with Rubio.... But don't want to give up Love... They formally offered Pek, Derrick Williams, Ridenour and someone else for Pau.
I don't think the Bulls have enough to get Love, but I really don't think any team does... He's likely just going to leave the Wolves when his ETO comes up..
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Forget all that! We just need to stop playing these super close games n losing to teams we shld not lose to. Oh n start nate over kirk.
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Taking a page from Simmons' Trade Value column, Love doesn't strike me as untradeable, but his price would be so high, that he almost has to be untradeable, right? Even OKC couldn't have put together a package I think Minnesota would have accepted. Durant and Westbrook were off the table, so it would have taken Harden, Ibaka, and some other guys to make that work. And even that wouldn't have swayed them.
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See I read that wrong I thought LA shopped that deal and Minny turned it down. Minny might not trade him but with Khan anything is possible, you have to at least get on the phone and try as hard as possible while keeping Noah, Deng, & of Course Pooh.
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Some, if not most of my fellow Bulls fans are less concerned with these regular season games. Rather these discussions center on fairly questioning the org's long-term ability to build a viable championship contender centered around DRose.
Oh, and as much as Kirk annoys me he gets the team into its offense a bit more smoothly than Nate. Plus, where's the offense off the bench if you start Nate?
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I'm concerned with the team as a whole, I'm not fond of our wire to wire contest with certtain teams, but I also understand that with no clear leader/#1 option that's going to happen. I like the way we play defense, I'm concerned with the development of Jimmy and the play of Taj (I knew Asik had A LOT more to do with his effectiveness the previous few years than we gave him credit for and his loss would hinder him somewhat but not this much). Overall I'm concerned with the health of Pooh.
But at the end of the day their is only soo much Thibs can do with the hand he's been dealt. Therefore I don't get up in arms about games like I once did, although I still watch and support. Hell I'm going to a game for my Born day in Jan.
But at the same time I am extremely concerned about the direction this team is headed and whether or not our F.O will actively pursue putting the right pieces around Derrick to be successful and make a championship run.
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All good points.
I believe Taj can benefit from more minutes, especially for Jo at center, but since his play has been inconsistent I don't disagree with Thibs' rotations for him. As bad/hated as Booz can be, I don't think Taj can fully replace his offense.
Regarding Thibs I think with him it's all about trust, that's why he's running Jo and Lu to the ground...cough, Jimmy should play more for Lu..cough. I keep thinking that he'll have to adjust his attitude regarding minutes, but I really hope he does especially when DRose comes back.
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I would never forgive Rose for going to the Lakers
I don't see Rose leaving ever, the Bulls will have the Eastern conference on lock over the next few years. I have a feeling Lebron will go to the Bulls if not back to the Cavs, I doubt he'll go anywhere else or to the Lakers. Lakers won't really have anyone on the team to make Lebron want to go there, Kobe said next year may be his last and I have a feeling D12 is going to leave. Howard is to emotional to be on that team.
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Yeah if I'm the Mitch Kupchak (Lakers) I'd do the same thing.. I'd offer Pau and maybe a filler or two. No way do I offer much more, because what's the point he still has his ETO and everyone knows he's going to use it (Same as Dwight
). But you'd be stupid not to make calls.. If I were the Bulls, I wouldn't offer much either, But like was said earlier it'd definitely have to be more than Boozer. Lakers may get away with Pau and a filler if Love has to be traded even though it's not an even trade because Kahn wants to pair Rubio & Pau. Unlikely though, I can see them losing Love for nothing.. But they'd probably want Deng & Noah.. And they'd package it in some way with Derrick Williams, and maybe a JJ Barrea...
Memo chances Dwight leaves the Lakers is almost none. Be too much of a train wreck for him personally if he did. He doesn't want to go through what he did last year again, and leaving the Lakers will do just that for a few years (much longer than Lebron got the media evil eye) Also he'd lose out on $80-100 million over 5 years (Contract $30mil + Endorsements at least $10mil a year). And he always seems 100% happy to be in LA. Down the road 5 years from now. Maybe. But him leaving after this season is extremely unlikely.
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He'll probably stay a Laker, but I just have this feeling he's going to leave if the Lakers don't do well this season.
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His options are not great.. You got the Mavs, Rockets & Hawks.
Mavs are a decent choice. But Mayo, Dirk & Dwight will take up 75% of the cap.
Rockets have trouble attracting Free Agents as do the Hawks.
And none of those teams get the exposure, so even if the Lakers do fall short, he isn't putting himself in any better situation to win a title than he would have in LA.
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Speaking of Nikola Mirotic.
Gibson: Bulls Should Make Mirotic Untouchable, Euroleague Heats Up
By Nick Gibson
December 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM
Gasol is an old 32, given his repeated deep playoff runs with the Lakers and steady participation in international play. He also has bad knees that have forced him to miss the last four games.
He is posting career lows in scoring (12.6) and field goal percentage (42), and is scheduled to make $19.3 million next season, the final year of his deal, according to HoopsHype. In theory, it would be fantastic to see a healthy Gasol play with a healthy Derrick Rose, but right now neither is walking on a pair of perfect legs.
Besides, giving up a proven defensive monster like Gibson to the Pelicans is risky, especially if Chicago packages him with picks that could be swapped for something else of value down the road if not used on a potential contributor come draft night.
After all, the Bulls gave picks Nos. 28 and 30 to the Timberwolves to move up and select Mirotic 23rd overall in 2011.
It was understandable at the time, but Minnesota passed on the opportunity to draft a player with with elite potential and very few holes in his game. And Mirotic is only getting smarter, stronger and better.
Granted, Mirotic comes with two very distinct downsides, both financial.
First, his contract with Real Madrid runs until the end of the 2015-16 season, and Rose is only locked up until 2016-17. However, Carlos Boozer comes off the books after the 2014-15 season – or earlier, if the Bulls use the amnesty clause on him.
Also, unless Mirotic comes over next season – and there is no indication whatsoever that he will -the Bulls or whichever lucky team that trades for him will not be able to pay him according to the rookie scale, since next season will be the third since he was drafted.
But if the Bulls do have the mind to wait it out, and Mirotic does eventually come over, he would be worth every penny of their mid-level exception.
Mirotic has won two consecutive Rising Star awards, given to the best Euroleague player 22 or under. He is the only player to have won that award twice since its inception in 2004 and adds his name to this esteemed list of winners:
2004-05: Erazem Lorbek (Fortitudo Bologna)
2005-06: Andrea Bargnani (Treviso)
2006-07: Rudy Fernandez (Joventut Badalona)
2007-08: Danilo Gallinari (Olimpia Milano)
2008-09: Novica Velickovic (Partizan Belgrade)
2009-10: Ricky Rubio (Barcelona)
Mirotic won the next two, and seemed well on his way to a third Rising Star this season until Olympiacos’ Kostas Papanikolaou turned on the afterburners. Those two will scrap for the trophy until April or even May, as both Madrid and Piraeus look like the championship contenders we thought they would be.
Lorbek, now with Barca, is an All-Euroleague performer and was very close to joining the Spurs this offseason, while Velickovic – now 26 and teamless – has watched injuries knock his once-promising career into an incessant wobble.
You know those other guys on the list, and while there might not be a franchise player among them, they have all shown that they can start in the NBA.
And had the award been around for the taking in 2001, it would have belonged to Gasol, who made the All-Euroleague Second Team after averaging 18.5 points and 6.0 rebounds for Barcelona as a 21-year-old.
Although the NBA has become an increasingly fertile breeding ground for ultra-young phenoms, the top tier of the Euroleague is still an Old Boys Club. Mirotic is one of just two players on the team under 25. The other is 18-year-old Guillermo Hernangomez, who has played just 4:59 all season for Los Blancos.
The point is, it takes a very special player to contribute for a Euroleague team at such a young age, especially for Madrid, a club with more banners than any team on the continent.
Mirotic is big, European and his stroke is woven from silk. So he’s soft, right? Wrong.
As Simon Jatsch, European basketball’s favorite blend of Billy Beane, Brad Pitt and John Hollinger, notes in this wonderful piece entitled The Evolution of Nikola Mirotic, the Montenegrin has watched his toughness metrics soar this season compared to his last two award-winning seasons with Madrid.
He is attempting more free throws per shot, crashing the offensive glass at an elite level, finishing off pick-and-rolls and exploiting defenses wary of his outside shooting by catching the ball closer to the rim and creating higher value shots for himself.
In the Spanish League (ACB), he ranks third in scoring (17.6), 11th in rebounding (6.2) and is tied for eighth in blocks (1.0).
Pleasing to both the critical eye and overly punched calculator alike. A rarity these days, and one worth holding onto.
And whether it is for Gasol or anyone else, the Bulls should think long and hard about whether they want to watch Mirotic tear up the NBA in Pelican blue the way the Hawks are still watching Gasol dominate in Laker gold and España red, wondering why their end of that 2001 draft day trade is an assistant for the Kings.
By Nick Gibson
December 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM
Gasol is an old 32, given his repeated deep playoff runs with the Lakers and steady participation in international play. He also has bad knees that have forced him to miss the last four games.
He is posting career lows in scoring (12.6) and field goal percentage (42), and is scheduled to make $19.3 million next season, the final year of his deal, according to HoopsHype. In theory, it would be fantastic to see a healthy Gasol play with a healthy Derrick Rose, but right now neither is walking on a pair of perfect legs.
Besides, giving up a proven defensive monster like Gibson to the Pelicans is risky, especially if Chicago packages him with picks that could be swapped for something else of value down the road if not used on a potential contributor come draft night.
After all, the Bulls gave picks Nos. 28 and 30 to the Timberwolves to move up and select Mirotic 23rd overall in 2011.
It was understandable at the time, but Minnesota passed on the opportunity to draft a player with with elite potential and very few holes in his game. And Mirotic is only getting smarter, stronger and better.
Granted, Mirotic comes with two very distinct downsides, both financial.
First, his contract with Real Madrid runs until the end of the 2015-16 season, and Rose is only locked up until 2016-17. However, Carlos Boozer comes off the books after the 2014-15 season – or earlier, if the Bulls use the amnesty clause on him.
Also, unless Mirotic comes over next season – and there is no indication whatsoever that he will -the Bulls or whichever lucky team that trades for him will not be able to pay him according to the rookie scale, since next season will be the third since he was drafted.
But if the Bulls do have the mind to wait it out, and Mirotic does eventually come over, he would be worth every penny of their mid-level exception.
Mirotic has won two consecutive Rising Star awards, given to the best Euroleague player 22 or under. He is the only player to have won that award twice since its inception in 2004 and adds his name to this esteemed list of winners:
2004-05: Erazem Lorbek (Fortitudo Bologna)
2005-06: Andrea Bargnani (Treviso)
2006-07: Rudy Fernandez (Joventut Badalona)
2007-08: Danilo Gallinari (Olimpia Milano)
2008-09: Novica Velickovic (Partizan Belgrade)
2009-10: Ricky Rubio (Barcelona)
Mirotic won the next two, and seemed well on his way to a third Rising Star this season until Olympiacos’ Kostas Papanikolaou turned on the afterburners. Those two will scrap for the trophy until April or even May, as both Madrid and Piraeus look like the championship contenders we thought they would be.
Lorbek, now with Barca, is an All-Euroleague performer and was very close to joining the Spurs this offseason, while Velickovic – now 26 and teamless – has watched injuries knock his once-promising career into an incessant wobble.
You know those other guys on the list, and while there might not be a franchise player among them, they have all shown that they can start in the NBA.
And had the award been around for the taking in 2001, it would have belonged to Gasol, who made the All-Euroleague Second Team after averaging 18.5 points and 6.0 rebounds for Barcelona as a 21-year-old.
Although the NBA has become an increasingly fertile breeding ground for ultra-young phenoms, the top tier of the Euroleague is still an Old Boys Club. Mirotic is one of just two players on the team under 25. The other is 18-year-old Guillermo Hernangomez, who has played just 4:59 all season for Los Blancos.
The point is, it takes a very special player to contribute for a Euroleague team at such a young age, especially for Madrid, a club with more banners than any team on the continent.
Mirotic is big, European and his stroke is woven from silk. So he’s soft, right? Wrong.
As Simon Jatsch, European basketball’s favorite blend of Billy Beane, Brad Pitt and John Hollinger, notes in this wonderful piece entitled The Evolution of Nikola Mirotic, the Montenegrin has watched his toughness metrics soar this season compared to his last two award-winning seasons with Madrid.
He is attempting more free throws per shot, crashing the offensive glass at an elite level, finishing off pick-and-rolls and exploiting defenses wary of his outside shooting by catching the ball closer to the rim and creating higher value shots for himself.
In the Spanish League (ACB), he ranks third in scoring (17.6), 11th in rebounding (6.2) and is tied for eighth in blocks (1.0).
Pleasing to both the critical eye and overly punched calculator alike. A rarity these days, and one worth holding onto.
And whether it is for Gasol or anyone else, the Bulls should think long and hard about whether they want to watch Mirotic tear up the NBA in Pelican blue the way the Hawks are still watching Gasol dominate in Laker gold and España red, wondering why their end of that 2001 draft day trade is an assistant for the Kings.
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Barring total disaster, I can't see Dwight leaving either. He'd be really stupid if he did. This will be his team.
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Wait he's not coming over until 2016?! Maaaaaaan That's some bull **** 
I agree w their description of Gasol though. He ISN'T an option anymore at least IMO
I agree w their description of Gasol though. He ISN'T an option anymore at least IMO
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