Chris Paul's Down Year Appreciation Thread.

[proshares]

I never said that diminished him as a PG, it's just stating he doesn't have to create as much as another PG has to because they don't score as well as Rose.

Why would other PG's have to fear him on offense or on defense when his pick up help on defense is Emeka who doesn't move well in the paint and West who's never in the paint to defend? On offense he's kicking it out to Bellinelli, Ariza and in other years Peja. He's never had wing help so of course they're going to challenge him and dare CP3 to go at them.

I'm not looking to discredit Rose at all, all I did was ask a question. He doesn't have to create shots or make Boozer better because he's an elite post scorer on his own. He doesn't have to create for Noah because Noah does a great job of creating for others and his strengths and his defensive and rebounding skills. That was my point in making my statement.

And yes, the 8APG are great but the 2.2 AST/TO rate is BAD.

 

[proshares]

I never said that diminished him as a PG, it's just stating he doesn't have to create as much as another PG has to because they don't score as well as Rose.

Why would other PG's have to fear him on offense or on defense when his pick up help on defense is Emeka who doesn't move well in the paint and West who's never in the paint to defend? On offense he's kicking it out to Bellinelli, Ariza and in other years Peja. He's never had wing help so of course they're going to challenge him and dare CP3 to go at them.

I'm not looking to discredit Rose at all, all I did was ask a question. He doesn't have to create shots or make Boozer better because he's an elite post scorer on his own. He doesn't have to create for Noah because Noah does a great job of creating for others and his strengths and his defensive and rebounding skills. That was my point in making my statement.

And yes, the 8APG are great but the 2.2 AST/TO rate is BAD.

 

[everysingletime]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by amel223

Rose makes everybody better on that team bro. 

The 8 assists a game is very misleading. 

Honest question...what's the difference between the 8apg Iverson put up and Rose's?    

Plenty. 

I don't think you could've ever called AI a pg.  The way he played he always looked to score.  That's the way he was.  If he got his assists, he got his assists. 

The way Rose approaches the game depends on the situation, the game, the opponents. 

I've seen plenty of games where Rose dialed down his scoring because he saw his teammates had rhythm on the offensive end.  He'd sit back and run the team and score when he had to. 

AI was always attack, attack, attack.  He only really knew one way to play. 

*edit*

Put it this way.

AI was a shooting guard who got his assists.

DRose is a point guard who happens to score. 

 

[everysingletime]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by amel223

Rose makes everybody better on that team bro. 

The 8 assists a game is very misleading. 

Honest question...what's the difference between the 8apg Iverson put up and Rose's?    

Plenty. 

I don't think you could've ever called AI a pg.  The way he played he always looked to score.  That's the way he was.  If he got his assists, he got his assists. 

The way Rose approaches the game depends on the situation, the game, the opponents. 

I've seen plenty of games where Rose dialed down his scoring because he saw his teammates had rhythm on the offensive end.  He'd sit back and run the team and score when he had to. 

AI was always attack, attack, attack.  He only really knew one way to play. 

*edit*

Put it this way.

AI was a shooting guard who got his assists.

DRose is a point guard who happens to score. 

 

[JLD1523]

Originally Posted by Proshares

I never said that diminished him as a PG, it's just stating he doesn't have to create as much as another PG has to because they don't score as well as Rose.

Why would other PG's have to fear him on offense or on defense when his pick up help on defense is Emeka who doesn't move well in the paint and West who's never in the paint to defend? On offense he's kicking it out to Bellinelli, Ariza and in other years Peja. He's never had wing help so of course they're going to challenge him and dare CP3 to go at them.

I'm not looking to discredit Rose at all, all I did was ask a question. He doesn't have to create shots or make Boozer better because he's an elite post scorer on his own. He doesn't have to create for Noah because Noah does a great job of creating for others and his strengths and his defensive and rebounding skills. That was my point in making my statement.

And yes, the 8APG are great but the 2.2 AST/TO rate is BAD.

For most of the season hes been doing pick and rolls with Asik and Kurt Thomas though.

 

[JLD1523]

Originally Posted by Proshares

I never said that diminished him as a PG, it's just stating he doesn't have to create as much as another PG has to because they don't score as well as Rose.

Why would other PG's have to fear him on offense or on defense when his pick up help on defense is Emeka who doesn't move well in the paint and West who's never in the paint to defend? On offense he's kicking it out to Bellinelli, Ariza and in other years Peja. He's never had wing help so of course they're going to challenge him and dare CP3 to go at them.

I'm not looking to discredit Rose at all, all I did was ask a question. He doesn't have to create shots or make Boozer better because he's an elite post scorer on his own. He doesn't have to create for Noah because Noah does a great job of creating for others and his strengths and his defensive and rebounding skills. That was my point in making my statement.

And yes, the 8APG are great but the 2.2 AST/TO rate is BAD.

For most of the season hes been doing pick and rolls with Asik and Kurt Thomas though.

 

[atransta]

Originally Posted by WhatsLosinLike

 

[atransta]

Originally Posted by WhatsLosinLike

 

[doublejs07]

Fair enough....here's another question...right now, what separates Rose's game from Marbury's at this stage in his career (looking back to when Marbury was 21-22)? Folks thought I was off-base w. the comparison, but I do see a lot of similarities with their games. I think the current picture of what Marbury became clouded the judgment of folks who forgot what he WAS. Dude was an animal. It's not a knock on Rose at all, because Steph was the goods when he was young in the league.

*Appreciate the input from Cake & Amel....while I don't think that Rose is a top-3 PG in the NBA, I'm trying to understand him and his game a little better....good discussion fellas

 

[doublejs07]

Fair enough....here's another question...right now, what separates Rose's game from Marbury's at this stage in his career (looking back to when Marbury was 21-22)? Folks thought I was off-base w. the comparison, but I do see a lot of similarities with their games. I think the current picture of what Marbury became clouded the judgment of folks who forgot what he WAS. Dude was an animal. It's not a knock on Rose at all, because Steph was the goods when he was young in the league.

*Appreciate the input from Cake & Amel....while I don't think that Rose is a top-3 PG in the NBA, I'm trying to understand him and his game a little better....good discussion fellas

 

[futuristic]

It's Rose's time, ya'll need gonna have to stop living in the past. 

 

[futuristic]

It's Rose's time, ya'll need gonna have to stop living in the past. 

 

[pmatic]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Fair enough....here's another question...right now, what separates Rose's game from Marbury's at this stage in his career (looking back to when Marbury was 21-22)? Folks thought I was off-base w. the comparison, but I do see a lot of similarities with their games. I think the current picture of what Marbury became clouded the judgment of folks who forgot what he WAS. Dude was an animal. It's not a knock on Rose at all, because Steph was the goods when he was young in the league.

*Appreciate the input from Cake & Amel....while I don't think that Rose is a top-3 PG in the NBA, I'm trying to understand him and his game a little better....good discussion fellas

I think Rose just gets "it" and is a better leader because of that.

I mean, Marbury wanted the spotlight and got himself traded to Jersey instead of potentially building something special with KG.

 

[pmatic]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Fair enough....here's another question...right now, what separates Rose's game from Marbury's at this stage in his career (looking back to when Marbury was 21-22)? Folks thought I was off-base w. the comparison, but I do see a lot of similarities with their games. I think the current picture of what Marbury became clouded the judgment of folks who forgot what he WAS. Dude was an animal. It's not a knock on Rose at all, because Steph was the goods when he was young in the league.

*Appreciate the input from Cake & Amel....while I don't think that Rose is a top-3 PG in the NBA, I'm trying to understand him and his game a little better....good discussion fellas

I think Rose just gets "it" and is a better leader because of that.

I mean, Marbury wanted the spotlight and got himself traded to Jersey instead of potentially building something special with KG.

 

[al3xis]

like you said, is that even a bad thing to be AI or Steph without the baggage? he 'gets it' a lot more than Steph ever did.

everyone wants a 'purer' PG, but none of those guys have every carried a team to a title.

I said it since he was back at Memphis, to me he's a 6'3 version of LeBron. I haven't ever really viewed him as a 'scoring point guard'.

 

[al3xis]

like you said, is that even a bad thing to be AI or Steph without the baggage? he 'gets it' a lot more than Steph ever did.

everyone wants a 'purer' PG, but none of those guys have every carried a team to a title.

I said it since he was back at Memphis, to me he's a 6'3 version of LeBron. I haven't ever really viewed him as a 'scoring point guard'.

 

[everysingletime]

Harder to compare Rose and Marbury because I didn't watch much of Marbury in his heyday.  I watched more AI. 

The numbers are similar. 

I'm sure Rose is going to have the better career though. 

 

[everysingletime]

Harder to compare Rose and Marbury because I didn't watch much of Marbury in his heyday.  I watched more AI. 

The numbers are similar. 

I'm sure Rose is going to have the better career though. 

 

[airmaxpenny1]

Rose's passing and court vision is average at best I'm sorry.

Regular season titles mean nothing, playoffs will give us the answer to the question that this thread is hinting at.

 

[airmaxpenny1]

Rose's passing and court vision is average at best I'm sorry.

Regular season titles mean nothing, playoffs will give us the answer to the question that this thread is hinting at.

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Fair enough....here's another question...right now, what separates Rose's game from Marbury's at this stage in his career (looking back to when Marbury was 21-22)? Folks thought I was off-base w. the comparison, but I do see a lot of similarities with their games. I think the current picture of what Marbury became clouded the judgment of folks who forgot what he WAS. Dude was an animal. It's not a knock on Rose at all, because Steph was the goods when he was young in the league.

*Appreciate the input from Cake & Amel....while I don't think that Rose is a top-3 PG in the NBA, I'm trying to understand him and his game a little better....good discussion fellas

I think Rose just gets "it" and is a better leader because of that.

I mean, Marbury wanted the spotlight and got himself traded to Jersey instead of potentially building something special with KG.

Thats about it because talent and ability wise thats about as close of a comparison as you can make. Because Steph was an ANIMAL just had that "Me Me ME" attitude in the same vien of Steve, but you couldn't deny the game. During his stint in Jersey I thought he was one of the best PG's in the game easily.  So the tools are similiar its just that the outlook/mentality is completely different.  Its like Amel stated the way the game is flowing dictates how his style of play.

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Fair enough....here's another question...right now, what separates Rose's game from Marbury's at this stage in his career (looking back to when Marbury was 21-22)? Folks thought I was off-base w. the comparison, but I do see a lot of similarities with their games. I think the current picture of what Marbury became clouded the judgment of folks who forgot what he WAS. Dude was an animal. It's not a knock on Rose at all, because Steph was the goods when he was young in the league.

*Appreciate the input from Cake & Amel....while I don't think that Rose is a top-3 PG in the NBA, I'm trying to understand him and his game a little better....good discussion fellas

I think Rose just gets "it" and is a better leader because of that.

I mean, Marbury wanted the spotlight and got himself traded to Jersey instead of potentially building something special with KG.

Thats about it because talent and ability wise thats about as close of a comparison as you can make. Because Steph was an ANIMAL just had that "Me Me ME" attitude in the same vien of Steve, but you couldn't deny the game. During his stint in Jersey I thought he was one of the best PG's in the game easily.  So the tools are similiar its just that the outlook/mentality is completely different.  Its like Amel stated the way the game is flowing dictates how his style of play.

 

[Mister Meaner]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

DoubleJs07 wrote:

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amel223 wrote:

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Rose makes everybody better on that team bro. 

The 8 assists a game is very misleading. 

Honest question...what's the difference between the 8apg Iverson put up and Rose's?    


Because honestly he's looking to put his players in scoring positions and does it much more often then that number suggest, while Chuck was passing out of necessity because he couldn't get a shot off. If you're watching the games then you know that 8 could/should easily be 10-11 where it not for all the times Luol has missed completely uncontested 3's from the wing, Kieth Bogans misses 3's from everywhere or just doesn't shoot the ball period, or the times Kyle doesn't shoot, or the time Taj misses wide open 17 footers or just drops the pass.  He's constantly creating offensive opportunities and open shots for him teammates, now whether or not they finish is a completely different story.


Get out of here with this bull. Every player who dominates the ball has the opportunity to average more assists if his teammates made more shots. What, you think A.I. only passed the ball those 8 times per game? Honestly, nobody was coming in here diminishing Rose's game. He is the bread and butter of the team so naturally, he takes precedence over others getting shots. Again, I don't get to watch many Bulls games, but I've actually seen quite a few this year, including the Christmas day game when I was live in attendance. The Bulls would have been blown out had it not been for Rose (and Boozer) because no one else could buy a bucket. I used to say the same thing watching A.I.

 

[Mister Meaner]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

DoubleJs07 wrote:

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amel223 wrote:

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Rose makes everybody better on that team bro. 

The 8 assists a game is very misleading. 

Honest question...what's the difference between the 8apg Iverson put up and Rose's?    


Because honestly he's looking to put his players in scoring positions and does it much more often then that number suggest, while Chuck was passing out of necessity because he couldn't get a shot off. If you're watching the games then you know that 8 could/should easily be 10-11 where it not for all the times Luol has missed completely uncontested 3's from the wing, Kieth Bogans misses 3's from everywhere or just doesn't shoot the ball period, or the times Kyle doesn't shoot, or the time Taj misses wide open 17 footers or just drops the pass.  He's constantly creating offensive opportunities and open shots for him teammates, now whether or not they finish is a completely different story.


Get out of here with this bull. Every player who dominates the ball has the opportunity to average more assists if his teammates made more shots. What, you think A.I. only passed the ball those 8 times per game? Honestly, nobody was coming in here diminishing Rose's game. He is the bread and butter of the team so naturally, he takes precedence over others getting shots. Again, I don't get to watch many Bulls games, but I've actually seen quite a few this year, including the Christmas day game when I was live in attendance. The Bulls would have been blown out had it not been for Rose (and Boozer) because no one else could buy a bucket. I used to say the same thing watching A.I.

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1

Rose's passing and court vision is average at best I'm sorry.

Regular season titles mean nothing, playoffs will give us the answer to the question that this thread is hinting at.

Rose has already excelled in the playoffs though 

Watch out for the Bulls. I didn't think this way before the season started but the way we've played with one of our top 3 players always down is a great sign. Besides the Heat, the Bulls shouldn't be an underdog to any team in the East, imo. 

Lulz at Patrick Robinson/Peter Warrick/Sebastian Janokowski/Chris Weinke