DC Studios THREAD - GunnVerse Begins - Chapter ONE: Gods & Monsters

I noticed they flashed that quick as hell

Yeah, I actually missed it the first time around, but caught it during my second watch. They probably wanted it to be an Easter egg so that's why they flashed it so quick.

Yeah, I wonder why they made it so quick that many would miss it. So she killed Robin and bruce still pulls her out of the windshield of the car and attempts cpr. I guess he doesn't kill main characters but has no problem killing dozens of no name goons / henchmen.
 
Yeah, I wonder why they made it so quick that many would miss it. So she killed Robin and bruce still pulls her out of the windshield of the car and attempts cpr. I guess he doesn't kill main characters but has no problem killing dozens of no name goons / henchmen.

I felt like this was a shift for the portrayal of Batman. He had a chance to kill Deadshot, but had him arrested instead. He had a chance to kill Harley and saved her instead.
 
People go into movies with sheep mentality instead of making up their own damn minds.

Once they see a group of people don't like it, they follow suit.

With social media and sites like rotten tomatoes, it's multiplied tenfold now.

People are such followers it's sad.

Have some original ******* thoughts.

Also, not every movie has to be a ******* masterpiece. Movies don't have to be perfect. What happened to just having a good time at the theater? Everyone thinks they're a professional movie critic.
 
Yeah, I wonder why they made it so quick that many would miss it. So she killed Robin and Bruce still pulls her out of the windshield of the car and attempts cpr. I guess he doesn't kill main characters but has no problem killing dozens of no name goons / henchmen.
Since this takes place after the events of BVS, it could have something to do with that speech that Bruce gave Diana at the end of the movie about him failing Superman in live. And that he won't fail him in death. I interpreted that as a turning point for batman insisting that he wont kill anymore. Agree or disagree with he infamous "Martha" scene, but Bruce saw himself as the same person who killed his parents in that alley.
 
People go into movies with sheep mentality instead of making up their own damn minds.

Once they see a group of people don't like it, they follow suit.

With social media and sites like rotten tomatoes, it's multiplied tenfold now.

People are such followers it's sad.

Have some original ******* thoughts.

Also, not every movie has to be a ******* masterpiece. Movies don't have to be perfect. What happened to just having a good time at the theater? Everyone thinks they're a professional movie critic.

:pimp:
 
Review from John Ostrander:

http://www.comicmix.com/2016/08/07/john-ostrander-reviews-the-suicide-squad/


As we start, I think you should know my biases. I think you should know any critics’ bias. Myself, I use them mostly as consumer reporters. If I find a critic whose tastes largely coincide with mine, I tend to trust them more. The late great Roger Ebert was one. Knowing who is giving you their opinion is important; what does their opinion matter if you don’t trust them?

Regarding the Suicide Squad movie, well, I’m biased. I’m prejudiced. I have a vested interest in its success. I want it to succeed. However, if I didn’t like it, I’d be more likely just to keep my trap shut.

My trap is open.

I really liked the film. Not perfect by a long shot, but a really good time in the movie theater. And for me a lot of it was just amazing. The look, the detail, the feel of the film is not something I’ve seen in superhero movies before.

Chief for me were the performances, starting with Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. All the other characters in the Squad, both the comic and the movie, were created by others. In the comic especially I would re-define and expand on them but they were established characters. Amanda Waller was my creation and Viola Davis embodied her to perfection. I was happy when she was cast, I was delighted when I saw her in the trailers, and I was ecstatic when I saw her in the film. Davis has Amanda’s voice, her look, and her attitude. I was delighted at the after-party when I got a chance to see her face-to-face and tell her how much I enjoyed her performance.

Next up is Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. She is sexy, innocent, funny, lethal, crazy and dangerous. And she’s a thief – she steals just about every scene she’s in.

Let’s look at Will Smith as Deadshot. Some folks have objected that he’s not my Deadshot. No, he isn’t and that’s just fine by me. My Deadshot was not the character as he had been created or portrayed prior to my appropriating him for the Squad. Gail Simone’s version was not exactly my version either. You don’t expect two actors who play the same character in different versions to be identical so why expect those versions in different stories to be identical? Smith did a great job – intense, cynical, with a weak spot for his daughter (although I thought their last scene together had a disturbing element). Smith is a fine actor and one of the world’s biggest stars; he sure as hell wasn’t slumming here and he made Deadshot his own – which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

Last paragraph, I talked about you wouldn’t expect two actors playing the same character in different stories to give identical performances. That really applies to Jared Leto as the Joker. He crafted an entirely new version of the character from the late Heath Ledger’s portrayal in The Dark Knight. That’s absolutely necessary and it’s a different look. Like Pygmalion, he creates a woman that he can love; in this case, it’s Harley Quinn. If we accept his love for her (and her love for him) as genuine, does that make him less of a sociopath? Ledger’s Joker loved no one except, perhaps, Batman. He’s no less strange or deadly but his entire plotline revolves around being re-united with Harley.

Jay Hernandez has a significant role as Diablo and I would have liked to see more of the character. He has a terrific and horrifying back-story but this is a character who is trying to do good even as (I think) he believes he is beyond redemption.

Likewise, I would have liked to see more of Jai Courtney as Boomerang. As Christopher Walken says of cowbell, you can never have too much Boomerang. He’s very much as I wrote him in the Squad – he knows what he is and he likes it. In that respect, Boomerang is very well adjusted. Which is scary.

There’s a surprising theme running through the movie; there is a lot about love. Joker and Harley’s love, yes; Deadshot’s love for his daughter; Diablo’s love (and guilt and remorse) for his family; Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman)’s love for June Moone (Cara Delevingne) while June’s alter ego, the Enchantress, appears to love her brother. Katana (Karen Fukuhara) loves her dead husband and carries his soul in her blade (OK, a lot of the relationships are not the healthiest in this film). Even with Amanda there’s a brief phone call and there’s tenderness and love for whoever she’s speaking with. Love shapes and forms a lot of the characters and they, in turn, mold the story.

Are their problems with the film? Sure. The antagonist(s) are not well defined and, to my mind, you need a good antagonist to help define the protagonist(s). It’s the antagonist who usually sets the plot in motion and it is defined by what they want. The story is a little more generic “we have to save the world” than I usually did; I always liked having one foot squarely in reality.

I also liked having a political and/or social edge in my Squad stories. That would also give a greater feel of reality and I don’t see that here.

That said, my artistic DNA is all over the place. This is The Dirty Dozen with supervillains and that’s my concept. They did that and did it well.

I know some of the critics, both in print and online, do not like the movie. That’s okay; everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong. My problem is that, at least with some of the media reviews, is that the critic is also tired of superhero and “tentpole” films and, overtly or covertly, would like to see their end. Look, I get it – they have to see all the films out there and they must be tired of all the blockbusters.

If every superhero film is not The Dark Knight, they’ll *****. I think that’s going on here to a certain degree. Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

My late wife, Kim Yale, was a movie critic for a while for a small suburban newspaper in the Chicago area and I went with her to some of the movie screenings. Don’t tell me that some of the critics didn’t come with pre-conceived attitudes to some films. I know better. I saw and heard it.

As for some of the online haters – if a film doesn’t fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female Ghostbusters, a black Deadshot, Ben Affleck as Batman (Affleck, by the way, does cameos as both Batman and Bruce Wayne in Suicide Squad and is terrific) – these are all sins and must be decried.

Give me a ******* break.

Look, you can be the most important critic on Suicide Squad. In this case, your voice is your money. You decide if you want to see the movie and then go. If you like it, tell others. I guess you could also tell them if you didn’t like it but you don’t have to. I won’t mind.

If the film is financially successful (and, from what I’ve seen as this review is being written, it’s on track for a pretty good opening weekend), then Warners will be encouraged to do a sequel. And I hope they do. They made a good film this time and I believe they’ll do it even better next time around.

It’s your call.


Hit the nail on the head here I think.


Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

:pimp:
 
They tried to make me think deadshot wasn't that bad of a guy but he was. He talked about enjoying killing. I'm sure his contracts were to kill good people too besides criminals testifying against other criminals.
 
I had originally thought Suicide squad should come after a couple more DC films, but maybe they thought it would be harder to win over the audience if we were introduced to the squad as villains rather than anti-heros.

Got it. Yeah, I can see your point there.
 
They tried to make me think deadshot wasn't that bad of a guy but he was. He talked about enjoying killing. I'm sure his contracts were to kill good people too besides criminals testifying against other criminals.

They played with that a little bit during the bar scene where Diablo brings up the fact that Deadshot never accepted a contract to kill women or children.
 
Review from John Ostrander:

http://www.comicmix.com/2016/08/07/john-ostrander-reviews-the-suicide-squad/


As we start, I think you should know my biases. I think you should know any critics’ bias. Myself, I use them mostly as consumer reporters. If I find a critic whose tastes largely coincide with mine, I tend to trust them more. The late great Roger Ebert was one. Knowing who is giving you their opinion is important; what does their opinion matter if you don’t trust them?

Regarding the Suicide Squad movie, well, I’m biased. I’m prejudiced. I have a vested interest in its success. I want it to succeed. However, if I didn’t like it, I’d be more likely just to keep my trap shut.

My trap is open.

I really liked the film. Not perfect by a long shot, but a really good time in the movie theater. And for me a lot of it was just amazing. The look, the detail, the feel of the film is not something I’ve seen in superhero movies before.

Chief for me were the performances, starting with Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. All the other characters in the Squad, both the comic and the movie, were created by others. In the comic especially I would re-define and expand on them but they were established characters. Amanda Waller was my creation and Viola Davis embodied her to perfection. I was happy when she was cast, I was delighted when I saw her in the trailers, and I was ecstatic when I saw her in the film. Davis has Amanda’s voice, her look, and her attitude. I was delighted at the after-party when I got a chance to see her face-to-face and tell her how much I enjoyed her performance.

Next up is Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. She is sexy, innocent, funny, lethal, crazy and dangerous. And she’s a thief – she steals just about every scene she’s in.

Let’s look at Will Smith as Deadshot. Some folks have objected that he’s not my Deadshot. No, he isn’t and that’s just fine by me. My Deadshot was not the character as he had been created or portrayed prior to my appropriating him for the Squad. Gail Simone’s version was not exactly my version either. You don’t expect two actors who play the same character in different versions to be identical so why expect those versions in different stories to be identical? Smith did a great job – intense, cynical, with a weak spot for his daughter (although I thought their last scene together had a disturbing element). Smith is a fine actor and one of the world’s biggest stars; he sure as hell wasn’t slumming here and he made Deadshot his own – which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

Last paragraph, I talked about you wouldn’t expect two actors playing the same character in different stories to give identical performances. That really applies to Jared Leto as the Joker. He crafted an entirely new version of the character from the late Heath Ledger’s portrayal in The Dark Knight. That’s absolutely necessary and it’s a different look. Like Pygmalion, he creates a woman that he can love; in this case, it’s Harley Quinn. If we accept his love for her (and her love for him) as genuine, does that make him less of a sociopath? Ledger’s Joker loved no one except, perhaps, Batman. He’s no less strange or deadly but his entire plotline revolves around being re-united with Harley.

Jay Hernandez has a significant role as Diablo and I would have liked to see more of the character. He has a terrific and horrifying back-story but this is a character who is trying to do good even as (I think) he believes he is beyond redemption.

Likewise, I would have liked to see more of Jai Courtney as Boomerang. As Christopher Walken says of cowbell, you can never have too much Boomerang. He’s very much as I wrote him in the Squad – he knows what he is and he likes it. In that respect, Boomerang is very well adjusted. Which is scary.

There’s a surprising theme running through the movie; there is a lot about love. Joker and Harley’s love, yes; Deadshot’s love for his daughter; Diablo’s love (and guilt and remorse) for his family; Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman)’s love for June Moone (Cara Delevingne) while June’s alter ego, the Enchantress, appears to love her brother. Katana (Karen Fukuhara) loves her dead husband and carries his soul in her blade (OK, a lot of the relationships are not the healthiest in this film). Even with Amanda there’s a brief phone call and there’s tenderness and love for whoever she’s speaking with. Love shapes and forms a lot of the characters and they, in turn, mold the story.

Are their problems with the film? Sure. The antagonist(s) are not well defined and, to my mind, you need a good antagonist to help define the protagonist(s). It’s the antagonist who usually sets the plot in motion and it is defined by what they want. The story is a little more generic “we have to save the world” than I usually did; I always liked having one foot squarely in reality.

I also liked having a political and/or social edge in my Squad stories. That would also give a greater feel of reality and I don’t see that here.

That said, my artistic DNA is all over the place. This is The Dirty Dozen with supervillains and that’s my concept. They did that and did it well.

I know some of the critics, both in print and online, do not like the movie. That’s okay; everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong. My problem is that, at least with some of the media reviews, is that the critic is also tired of superhero and “tentpole” films and, overtly or covertly, would like to see their end. Look, I get it – they have to see all the films out there and they must be tired of all the blockbusters.

If every superhero film is not The Dark Knight, they’ll *****. I think that’s going on here to a certain degree. Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

My late wife, Kim Yale, was a movie critic for a while for a small suburban newspaper in the Chicago area and I went with her to some of the movie screenings. Don’t tell me that some of the critics didn’t come with pre-conceived attitudes to some films. I know better. I saw and heard it.

As for some of the online haters – if a film doesn’t fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female Ghostbusters, a black Deadshot, Ben Affleck as Batman (Affleck, by the way, does cameos as both Batman and Bruce Wayne in Suicide Squad and is terrific) – these are all sins and must be decried.

Give me a ******* break.

Look, you can be the most important critic on Suicide Squad. In this case, your voice is your money. You decide if you want to see the movie and then go. If you like it, tell others. I guess you could also tell them if you didn’t like it but you don’t have to. I won’t mind.

If the film is financially successful (and, from what I’ve seen as this review is being written, it’s on track for a pretty good opening weekend), then Warners will be encouraged to do a sequel. And I hope they do. They made a good film this time and I believe they’ll do it even better next time around.

It’s your call.


Hit the nail on the head here I think.


Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

Ostrander is really the only person whose opinion/review I would, personally, seriously take into account regarding a Suicide Squad film. :smokin
 
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Alright here's why I didn't like it:

The plot: you're telling me you can't come up with anything better than a bad guy that sucks up everything in the city? They're a team of bad guys working with the government and they can't come up with any spec-ops missions? Nah, let's just turn this into Apocalypse 2.0. Even worse, it was cheesier than that. They just took Apocalypse and turned it into every typical cliché sci-fi movie possible. They could've done something total different and original but they decided to just follow the status quo. The city is being destroyed and they took the main character's girl at the same time. One guy sacrifices himself by killing the bad guy and everybody gets sad. The girl is saved and they enjoy a long kiss in happiness. I'm sure, we've all seen this before. Oh right, every other damn sci-fi movie. No originality whatsoever. Not only that, nothing made sense. There's a giant tornado ******* **** up in the middle of a city. Why would you call for your team of bad guys, most of which have no powers? Like, how is the Joker's girlfriend going to help you? You couldn't call for the Flash? Wonder Woman? Everything was just all over the place.

Not enough Joker. I'm sure a lot of the Joker was cut out of the movie but WB should know most people would be watching the movie for the Joker/check out Leto's performance but nah, let's just make him a minor part of the movie.

Let's performance. I felt like he was trying too hard to try to top Heath's Joker. I don't know, I just wasn't feeling it.
 
Review from John Ostrander:

http://www.comicmix.com/2016/08/07/john-ostrander-reviews-the-suicide-squad/


As we start, I think you should know my biases. I think you should know any critics’ bias. Myself, I use them mostly as consumer reporters. If I find a critic whose tastes largely coincide with mine, I tend to trust them more. The late great Roger Ebert was one. Knowing who is giving you their opinion is important; what does their opinion matter if you don’t trust them?

Regarding the Suicide Squad movie, well, I’m biased. I’m prejudiced. I have a vested interest in its success. I want it to succeed. However, if I didn’t like it, I’d be more likely just to keep my trap shut.

My trap is open.

I really liked the film. Not perfect by a long shot, but a really good time in the movie theater. And for me a lot of it was just amazing. The look, the detail, the feel of the film is not something I’ve seen in superhero movies before.

Chief for me were the performances, starting with Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. All the other characters in the Squad, both the comic and the movie, were created by others. In the comic especially I would re-define and expand on them but they were established characters. Amanda Waller was my creation and Viola Davis embodied her to perfection. I was happy when she was cast, I was delighted when I saw her in the trailers, and I was ecstatic when I saw her in the film. Davis has Amanda’s voice, her look, and her attitude. I was delighted at the after-party when I got a chance to see her face-to-face and tell her how much I enjoyed her performance.

Next up is Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. She is sexy, innocent, funny, lethal, crazy and dangerous. And she’s a thief – she steals just about every scene she’s in.

Let’s look at Will Smith as Deadshot. Some folks have objected that he’s not my Deadshot. No, he isn’t and that’s just fine by me. My Deadshot was not the character as he had been created or portrayed prior to my appropriating him for the Squad. Gail Simone’s version was not exactly my version either. You don’t expect two actors who play the same character in different versions to be identical so why expect those versions in different stories to be identical? Smith did a great job – intense, cynical, with a weak spot for his daughter (although I thought their last scene together had a disturbing element). Smith is a fine actor and one of the world’s biggest stars; he sure as hell wasn’t slumming here and he made Deadshot his own – which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

Last paragraph, I talked about you wouldn’t expect two actors playing the same character in different stories to give identical performances. That really applies to Jared Leto as the Joker. He crafted an entirely new version of the character from the late Heath Ledger’s portrayal in The Dark Knight. That’s absolutely necessary and it’s a different look. Like Pygmalion, he creates a woman that he can love; in this case, it’s Harley Quinn. If we accept his love for her (and her love for him) as genuine, does that make him less of a sociopath? Ledger’s Joker loved no one except, perhaps, Batman. He’s no less strange or deadly but his entire plotline revolves around being re-united with Harley.

Jay Hernandez has a significant role as Diablo and I would have liked to see more of the character. He has a terrific and horrifying back-story but this is a character who is trying to do good even as (I think) he believes he is beyond redemption.

Likewise, I would have liked to see more of Jai Courtney as Boomerang. As Christopher Walken says of cowbell, you can never have too much Boomerang. He’s very much as I wrote him in the Squad – he knows what he is and he likes it. In that respect, Boomerang is very well adjusted. Which is scary.

There’s a surprising theme running through the movie; there is a lot about love. Joker and Harley’s love, yes; Deadshot’s love for his daughter; Diablo’s love (and guilt and remorse) for his family; Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman)’s love for June Moone (Cara Delevingne) while June’s alter ego, the Enchantress, appears to love her brother. Katana (Karen Fukuhara) loves her dead husband and carries his soul in her blade (OK, a lot of the relationships are not the healthiest in this film). Even with Amanda there’s a brief phone call and there’s tenderness and love for whoever she’s speaking with. Love shapes and forms a lot of the characters and they, in turn, mold the story.

Are their problems with the film? Sure. The antagonist(s) are not well defined and, to my mind, you need a good antagonist to help define the protagonist(s). It’s the antagonist who usually sets the plot in motion and it is defined by what they want. The story is a little more generic “we have to save the world” than I usually did; I always liked having one foot squarely in reality.

I also liked having a political and/or social edge in my Squad stories. That would also give a greater feel of reality and I don’t see that here.

That said, my artistic DNA is all over the place. This is The Dirty Dozen with supervillains and that’s my concept. They did that and did it well.

I know some of the critics, both in print and online, do not like the movie. That’s okay; everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong. My problem is that, at least with some of the media reviews, is that the critic is also tired of superhero and “tentpole” films and, overtly or covertly, would like to see their end. Look, I get it – they have to see all the films out there and they must be tired of all the blockbusters.

If every superhero film is not The Dark Knight, they’ll *****. I think that’s going on here to a certain degree. Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

My late wife, Kim Yale, was a movie critic for a while for a small suburban newspaper in the Chicago area and I went with her to some of the movie screenings. Don’t tell me that some of the critics didn’t come with pre-conceived attitudes to some films. I know better. I saw and heard it.

As for some of the online haters – if a film doesn’t fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female Ghostbusters, a black Deadshot, Ben Affleck as Batman (Affleck, by the way, does cameos as both Batman and Bruce Wayne in Suicide Squad and is terrific) – these are all sins and must be decried.

Give me a ******* break.

Look, you can be the most important critic on Suicide Squad. In this case, your voice is your money. You decide if you want to see the movie and then go. If you like it, tell others. I guess you could also tell them if you didn’t like it but you don’t have to. I won’t mind.

If the film is financially successful (and, from what I’ve seen as this review is being written, it’s on track for a pretty good opening weekend), then Warners will be encouraged to do a sequel. And I hope they do. They made a good film this time and I believe they’ll do it even better next time around.

It’s your call.


Hit the nail on the head here I think.

Damn good review there...from someone who knows a thing or two about the source eh?


People go into movies with sheep mentality instead of making up their own damn minds.

Once they see a group of people don't like it, they follow suit.

With social media and sites like rotten tomatoes, it's multiplied tenfold now.

People are such followers it's sad.

Have some original ******* thoughts.

Also, not every movie has to be a ******* masterpiece. Movies don't have to be perfect. What happened to just having a good time at the theater? Everyone thinks they're a professional movie critic.

Tell em!!!! Well said fam. Well said.
 
To be fair, the squad wasn't formed to specifically handle the threat of Enchantress and Incubus; Enchantress was recruited to be a part of the squad. They were formed by Waller to handle other meta-humans. Saving Waller and battling Enchantress became the mission after Enchantress escaped.

My thought process with including Harley Quinn in the squad was that maybe she isn't a force individually, but throw her in with Diablo and Deadshot lead by Flagg and Katana and that's formidable enough to handle some reasonable threats. They reference in the movie that she took out 5 guards on her own at one point and the way she's handled by the prison indicated to me that she's a threat to kill.

As to why Waller just didn't call on Flash and/or Wonder Woman, I didn't get any indication that she has any type of relationship with those characters to call them for help; it appears that she knows of them and where they are located though. Waller obviously knows Batman, but at this point, Justice League isn't formed. I think it's plausible to think that Waller thought this squad could actually handle Enchantress without Batman's help, and maybe needed them to in order show that her idea was actually a good one. Why form the Task Force X if you're just going to call on Batman?

In regards to Joker, I understand the marketing aspect, but I never thought that this was going to be a Joker movie in any way or a movie in which Joker is a lead character. I liked that they didn't put him at the forefront, mainly because I'm assuming that they're saving him for the Batman solo film. He was in the movie mainly for the Harley Quinn story line and I was fine with how he was utilized in that aspect.

Just my thoughts.
 
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What's also notable is that the Squad was never meant to go after Enchantress and her brother at all. That only happened after Waller was captured, because Flagg specifically pointed out that without Waller they had nothing. The Squad itself was assigned to rescue someone within the city, who happened to be Waller. They made a point of avoiding the glowing tornado where Enchantress and her brother were up until Waller was captured.
 
Harley is valuable in that crazy people are dangerous and usually strong or durable. It's difficult to kill those mofos. Plus seeing her cheeks in those shorts would get me riled up too and ready to go on a rampage.
 
A question that I haven't really seen posed is will Joker release anyone else from Belle Reve besides Harley Quinn? I would assume he'd let everyone free or at least Deadshot since he also has business in Gotham :nerd:
 
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