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[futuremd]

FutureMD, even if someone's opinion seems illogical to you, you gotta learn how to accept that try don't share the same views as you.

I don't see where I wasn't doing that.

 Not accepting anyone else's theory makes you seem close-minded yourself.

I'm not going to "accept" something just because you believe it.

I accept the fact that people adopt irrational concepts because they want to, but I don't see why I have to accept their conclusion in and of themselves. 

For all we know, God could be a super-advanced extraterrestrial being that we can even comprehend.

The good thing about speculation is never having to prove anything, isn't it?

Just because it doesn't pertain to the science we live by now or we can't solve in some kind of question doesn't mean it can't exist.

Just because you can't see the tooth fairy doesn't mean it doesn't leave quarters under your pillow.

You can't prove a negative, my friend. 

Science doesn't take a claim on things it can't make claims on... 

Is it true that our solar system actually is just a spinning ornament on some CEOs desk? Thats also, possible, isn't it?

Science is not all-knowing and there are an infinite amount of things to be discovered.

Science doesn't claim to be all-knowing.

It asks you to continually collect data and see what it concludes. 

It asks that if you assert a claim, you back it up.

For example, the theory of relativity and the world of atoms and protons directly opposes each other.

Uh...no. 

it doesn't. 

Heisenberg & Schrödinger would like a word with you. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_theory_of_relativity

In fact nothing about the theory of relativity is wrong to this day. 

The beauty of science is what we know and what we have yet to discovered.

we don't know what we have "yet to discover"

You can't know something that...you don't know. 

I understand you don't see the logic of people and their faith,

You're right. I don't.

but, don't eliminate your open-mind based on science that's not definite.

Never claimed that it was.

I'm just asking for reasons you might have in asserting something.

If you're going to say something, why do I need to believe you? 

Its really simple.

There's phenomenon that happen everyday that modern science can't explain or even interpret.

Guess that means that god DEFINITELY is the answer, right? 

or should we wake up tomorrow and keep trying to figure stuff out? 

 

[heshua]

Why do people always come at the bible like it's the only religious text that you can point things out in?

 

[kix4kix]

Why do people always come at the bible like it's the only religious text that you can point things out in?

Ding Ding Ding. Somebody come at the Doa though

 

[futuremd]

Why do people always come at the bible like it's the only religious text that you can point things out in?

Ding Ding Ding. Somebody come at the Doa though

I'd assume most of the posters on here, if they're religious, are members of the abrahamic religions. 

 

[firmeporvida]

What is going on here??!!

 

[tr1ll]

^SillyFuture doing what he does best.

 

[danikerhino]

All I'm saying is, even if it's illogical in your head, doesn't give you the right to stomp on other peoples' opinions.

The everyday phenomenon comment had nothing to do with god.

There's been many times where scientist know something was there but they couldn't "see"(discover) it such as dark matter, god particle, "strings", etc. yet to be discovered.

Einstein theory does not pertain to the world of atom, thus, the string theory was formed.

 

[41239]

OH SNAP, FUTUREMD is probably putty, although putty never said it, he alluded to studying medicine which explains the new name, and this guy just went off with the ridiculous walls of text again, real talk i think this thread is a joke tho

like thats a childish "good question"

"why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?" for real? like do you really want to know that? or was that a back handed way of criticizing the inconsistencies of the Bible either way i hope you get your answer

 

[futuremd]

All I'm saying is, even if it's illogical in your head, doesn't give you the right to stomp on other peoples' opinions.

You mean analyzing them? 

Well you're just as free to examine my own. Go ahead.

The everyday phenomenon comment had nothing to do with god.

Clearly...

There's been many times where scientist know something was there but they couldn't "see"(discover) it such as dark matter, god particle, "strings", etc. yet to be discovered.

Well we hadn't seen the Higgs-Boson until we..."saw" it. 

The mathematical model said it SHOULD be there, but we still had to find it. We didn't know it would be there to an absolute degree.

Einstein theory does not pertain to the world of atom, thus, the string theory was formed.

Thats also why string theory (and the 11 dimensions!) hasn't gained much traction with many people. Its still being formulated...

You bringing up relativity doesn't mean relativity is false.

We're still working on combining magnetism and gravity, does that mean gravity is wrong? 

 

[Master Zik]

Something being illogical is not subjective and if something seems illogical the person who thinks it's a reasonable conclusion should be able to explain why it is a reasonable conclusion and not illogical.

 

[moe650]

This guy would like for us to give him definite proof that God/s exist... he doesn't prescribe to the definition of words like faith.

However, Science has continued to discover and refute their own theories but we must give a definite answer right here and now for our beliefs.

Unless you plan on changing your beliefs, its pointless to entertain a conversation with this gentleman.

 

[futuremd]

This guy would like for us to give him definite proof that God/s exist... he doesn't prescribe to the definition of words like faith.

But you're the one that believes it right?

So if you're going to say it, then you're responsible for your own reasons of why you cling to the notion. 

However, Science has continued to discover and refute their own theories but we must give a definite answer right here and now for our beliefs.

Science REVISES answers to get to a more accurate truth or model to better describe reality/phenomena. 

But you're right, we'd be better off with 200 year old physics textbooks. 

Unless you plan on changing your beliefs, its pointless to entertain a conversation with this gentleman.

I'm not even trying to change minds right now. I'm asking RetroJ23 why he gets to say that stuff and not back it up. If you're going to do that, then why should we believe you?

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Something being illogical is not subjective and if something seems illogical the person who thinks it's a reasonable conclusion should be able to explain why it is a reasonable conclusion and not illogical.

This guy gets it. 

 

[me love nutella]

The dinosaurs are not mentioned because the Bible is man-made. So God as an all knowing being, why would he go over and miss a 65 million history of dinosaurs and not inform the masses about it? To even push more people to believe in him, but well...no....You are tested to believe in him.  In the eras the stories were created and then thousands of years later put together, archeology, paleontology and dinosaur discovery, were not practiced fields. People have been finding dinosaur fossils since the beginning of mankind. The Greeks and Romans may have found fossils, giving rise to their many ogre and griffin like legends. There are also references to "dragon" bones that were found in Quchen, Sichuan, China over 2000 years ago. They were probably dinosaur fossils. 

 

[me love nutella]

FutureMD, even if someone's opinion seems illogical to you, you gotta learn how to accept that try don't share the same views as you. Not accepting anyone else's theory makes you seem close-minded yourself. For all we know, God could be a super-advanced extraterrestrial being that we can even comprehend. Just because it doesn't pertain to the science we live by now or we can't solve in some kind of question doesn't mean it can't exist. Science is not all-knowing and there are an infinite amount of things to be discovered. For example, the theory of relativity and the world of atoms and protons directly opposes each other. The beauty of science is what we know and what we have yet to discovered. I understand you don't see the logic of people and their faith, but, don't eliminate your open-mind based on science that's not definite. There's phenomenon that happen everyday that modern science can't explain or even interpret.

But, it can be a fine line when it comes to faith, truth, opinion,etc.

Religious and faith believers claim their faith system is the truth of all truths and true way of life and contains the answers to the questions how we came to be on this Earth and the creation of our Universe and mankind. When in fact, the true answer is that there is not one truth that knows this answer. All these religious texts, are not factual. Proven to be man made. I think that is what is FutureMD's point he is trying to get across. But, if anyone wants to come and say no, it is true, that is where others can come in and say, well, fact and reality prove otherwise. 

It is no different than claiming Santa Clause and unicorns are not real...But, if people choose to believe in them, it all comes down to faith. Then you have all the more right to believe in it as you please. 

In the end it is the faith believers and the non believers trying to step in their view as the truth. All it comes down to is what you stick to believe. If you want to believe in a world of unicorns, well you have all the right to. But, then again...What is the truth? Then this can be said about anything to let people claim the sky is red, and not blue, that the earth is flat and not round, despite how irrational and illogial and untrue these claims are. So where do we step the boundaries? Only when it comes to question people's faiths? 

 

[tr1ll]

Simple answer to OP question: It happened after dinosaurs.

 

[tupac jordan]

Thou shalt not kill. Flood

 

[futuremd]

Thou shalt not kill. Flood

Gives you penis.

Demands you get circumcised. 

 

[deleted]

Dino Riders were so awesome.

 

[boys noize]

I am constantly surprised by the determination of FutureMD/SillyPutty. Some of you might not like, hell, might down right HATE, what he has to say and scoff at his responses but he's ALWAYS been consistent. Never has he claimed science to be absolute unlike how believers might claim their god to be. Never have I seen him attack someone with an ad hominem response (although you might FEEL offended, that may speak more about you than him) however I've seen him berated with insult after insult. It's pretty remarkable.

Just wanted to throw this out into the wild.

Opinions. Everyone is entitled to one right? Sure. Does that mean all opinions are equal? ABSOLUTELY not. One opinion can definitely be more right than another. An opinion could be flat out untrue.

We need to stop treating all opinions like they're equal. That means not every single opinion needs to be handled with white gloves. I don't have to respect your opinion if I find it to be out of step with reality.

 

[danikerhino]

My only problem with him is he has no respect for other peoples' opinion and tries to question why that person believes what they believe. No one owes anybody an explanation, even if their opinion is illogical. Just live and let live.

 

[onthenephs]

I think the funniest conclusion that people come to, is religion is the easy way out.

Living life with religion in the back of your mind is DEFINITELY NOT easier than taking god out of the equation and enjoying all the hedonism life has to offer.

This has nothing to do with proofs,algebra, and geometry. To forego the thought of "sin" is so much easier than understanding it.

 

[futuremd]

I think the funniest conclusion that people come to, is religion is the easy way out.

Living life with religion in the back of your mind is DEFINITELY NOT easier than taking god out of the equation and enjoying all the hedonism life has to offer.

Uh oh beastiality and satan worship wednesdays! 

This has nothing to do with proofs,algebra, and geometry. To forego the thought of "sin" is so much easier than understanding it.

Nothing says sin like wearing mixed fabric. 

 

[onthenephs]

Uh oh beastiality and satan worship wednesdays! 



Nothing says sin like wearing mixed fabric. 

Nope, just a lot of sex, capitalism, greed, debt ridden nations and civilians. A lot worse than satan worship wednesdays. good try.


Don't understand mixed fabric reference.

 

[datznasty]

My only problem with him is he has no respect for other peoples' opinion and tries to question why that person believes what they believe. No one owes anybody an explanation, even if their opinion is illogical. Just live and let live.

As opposed to how tolerant religion is of dissenting opinions? It's not like they seek to make point of views other than their's illegal, lobby for policies making their belief system law, try to convert those who don't agree by threatening/scaring them with eternal Damnation amongst other tactics (like posting up outside of Mosques and Temples with Bibles and conversion sit ins), and call their God's idols and their lifestyles abominations. Or do they?

Nope, just a lot of sex, capitalism, greed, debt ridden nations and civilians. A lot worse than satan worship wednesdays. good try.


Don't understand mixed fabric reference.

Another one of the endless list of laws from the Bible that "Believers" don't follow

Leviticus 19:19 (King James Version)

19Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

[COLOR=#red]Something interesting I was taught in my Afghan regionalization class before deploying to Afghanistan last year (I was never military btw...I did things for the government). They told us to try as much as possible to not engage in religious talks with the Afghans...BUT if we did and there was conflict, we were taught to talk about the things Christians and Muslims had in common which was Abraham. Also we were told to STICK WITH OUR BELIEFS and fight for what you believed was true because the Afghans would respect you more for standing up for your beliefs even if it is different from theirs. Some interesting stuff. And if you think a "tongue" lashing from FutureMD is serious, imagine pissing off some Afghans...they don't forget a slight...all I have to say about that.[/COLOR]