Do You Consider This Offensive?

[futuremd]

Thing is, I learned about Manifest Destiny only through the eyes of the settlers moving west. It wasn't even that I forgot about how native indians were treated, I just never thought to consider how they were affected. It was only when I got a little older that things started to click for me and I saw it through their eyes and how they felt they had been marginalized.

For every "winner" there is a "loser" and the same is true in the context of every story of human expansion. 

The time for trying to "right" the wrong has long past, but we should now at least give them their recognition in history and try to learn from it, as best as we can. 

 

[wr]

To the informed it's offensive.

To the ignorant it's trendy and hot.


Manifest Destiny is the ideal that said to whites God was on their side in the expansion westward and their "civilizing" of the natives.

The religious doctrine is still alive and used today. It's just shrouded in secularism like everything else is.

This painting (circa 1872) by John Gast called American Progress, is an allegorical representation of the modernization of the new west. Here Columbia, a personification of the United States, leads civilization westward with American settlers, stringing telegraph wire as she sweeps west; she holds a school book. The different stages of economic activity of the pioneers are highlighted and, especially, the changing forms of transportation.

 

[shogun]

Who cares? We still have Columbus Day as a holiday and a pro football team named the ********. I'm not going to be offended by some t-shirt at a store that sucks.

 

[curbsideprophet]

No.

And, surely 60-70% of random people on the street wouldn't even know what the **** would HAPPEN to be offensive about this shirt....

 

[airthompson]

Genocide, Hitler, Manifesto? Thats why it's offensive? If so they gotta point

I was reaching kinda far huh?

 

[hometownhero]

To the informed it's offensive.
To the ignorant it's trendy and hot.
Manifest Destiny is the ideal that said to whites God was on their side in the expansion westward and their "civilizing" of the natives.
The religious doctrine is still alive and used today. It's just shrouded in secularism like everything else is.

This.....but if you take this shirt off shelves, you should take other stuff off shelves, look at holidays and what we celebrate them for, and rename everything named after j. edgar hoover, including f.b.i. building. He was an extreme racist (and I read somewhere he was mixed (blk/wht)

 

[tomdiginson]

America is becoming so soft it is not even funny. I just cant comprehend how the hell is that t shirt "offensive". I've noticed people are crying foul on everything as of lately that aren't even of importance.

 

[jhawk826]

What I've learned on NT is that everything is soft and sensitive when it has no bearing on you. It doesn't matter if 60-70% of people on the street wouldn't know what it means. When Abercrombie and Fitch released their racist Asian shirt some years back it was still offensive despite it being about a small minority group.

 

[thecoldest343]

What I've learned on NT is that everything is soft and sensitive when it has no bearing on you.

Basically....which is sad.

 

[wr]

This.....but if you take this shirt off shelves, you should take other stuff off shelves, look at holidays and what we celebrate them for, and rename everything named after j. edgar hoover, including f.b.i. building. He was an extreme racist (and I read somewhere he was mixed (blk/wht)

Very true. It's a ploy as well to use people against themselves. Sometimes, some where so eager to prove their allegiance to white manifest destiny and all it's promised blessings even though as they say they might have had a "black grandmother in the closet" . I even think this gives them more of a reason to go hard against an ideal they are trying to dissociate themselves with.

On the field there were slaves who would beat other slaves for the master too.

A lot of blacks will do the dirty work for the white man as a show of commitment.

But at the end of it all, history and genetics will prove the self hate of most of the terrible tyrants we have seen over the years.

Look at Hitler for example.

He preached blue eyed, blond hair supremacy but he didn't even have those features.

I read recently that he shaved his mustache ina manner to make his nose appear to be smaller and not fall in line with khazar jewish phenotypes.

He even loved a jewish woman back in his hipster aspiring artist days.

 

[sundoobie]

America is becoming so soft it is not even funny. I just cant comprehend how the hell is that t shirt "offensive". I've noticed people are crying foul on everything as of lately that aren't even of importance.

So if your great great great grandfather was killed by European settlers and took his land, cattle, raped his daughters, told his family to leave the land that they have held for generations, you wouldn't find this shirt offensive? Put down the cell phone, stop checking in on Facebook, stop playing COD, and take the time to Google 'Manifest Destiny.' Read the history and context and what those words mean today to the thousands of Native American families whose ancestors survived that genocide. Yes you may actually learn something! Then after knowing the history, visit an Indian Reservation and speak to the people that live there and ask them how their families ended up there. After all that, and you still can't comprehend, well then...

Oh and it probably didn't helped that a White man is smiling in the ad wearing this shirt.

 

[AZwildcats]

If the shirt had said something like Apartheid, then it would be offensive .but because it pertains to Native Americans it is not offensive

 

[marinadelrey]

as a Native American, I shake my head in disgust.

 

[offwhitewhite]

Doesn't surprise me, everything can be spun to be offensive and racist in today's age.

You can make fun of Jesus Christ and Christianity all you want but if a Muslim finds two small paintings saying, "Allah is beautiful and he loves beauty", in a Call of Duty Multiplayer map they automatically patch, remove it, and apologize. Apologize for what?

It's quite sad and does more damage then good. Instead of people being creative and just putting ideas out there, it makes them nervous and question everything they do. People should be allowed to believe and wear anything they want. Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter, what matters is the right to do so.

 

[tomdiginson]

So if your great great great grandfather was killed by European settlers and took his land, cattle, raped his daughters, told his family to leave the land that they have held for generations, you wouldn't find this shirt offensive? Put down the cell phone, stop checking in on Facebook, stop playing COD, and take the time to Google 'Manifest Destiny.' Read the history and context and what those words mean today to the thousands of Native American families whose ancestors survived that genocide. Yes you may actually learn something! Then after knowing the history, visit an Indian Reservation and speak to the people that live there and ask them how their families ended up there. After all that, and you still can't comprehend, well then...
Oh and it probably didn't helped that a White man is smiling in the ad wearing this shirt.

So because I am illinformed in regards to the phrase its because Im on Facebook, playing COD or fiddling with my phone....rightttt. Ill take back what I said in regards to the phrase as I had no idea that it was pertaining to the Native Americans. However I do not beloeve the designers had any intentions on insulting anyone and for that I do not believe the shirt should be removed from shelves and I will not take back what I said in regards to America becoming soft. As there other instances where people were crying foul for nonsense such as the Nike Gold digging shirt etc and if this shirt is removed there are plenty of shirts that should be removed as well

 

[Nawzlew]

To the informed it's offensive.

To the ignorant it's trendy and hot.

Manifest Destiny is the ideal that said to whites God was on their side in the expansion westward and their "civilizing" of the natives.

The religious doctrine is still alive and used today. It's just shrouded in secularism like everything else is.

This.....but if you take this shirt off shelves, you should take other stuff off shelves, look at holidays and what we celebrate them for, and rename everything named after j. edgar hoover, including f.b.i. building. He was an extreme racist (and I read somewhere he was mixed (blk/wht)

Don't think so.

 

[wr]

Don't think so.

"Not all slave masters abused their slaves - Some actually treated them like family and bore children by them, like the Mississippi plantation owner, William Hoover. He had eight children by my Great Grandmother, Elizabeth Allen. One of those children was my Grandfather William Allen, and one was his brother, Ivery Hoover, who later had one son; J. Edgar." Millie McGhee, author of Secrets Uncovered, J Edgar Hoover - Passing For White?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-hoover-black/2011/11/20/gIQAZcu3kN_blog.html

Summers also found evidence that blacks referred to Hoover as "some kind of spook'' and even "soul brother,'' and realized that in some black communities in the eastern part of the USA, it was generally believed that Edgar had black roots. Hoover's ancestry was always a subject of speculation within the FBI, because of his lack of documented heritage that was always required when someone joined the FBI. Wesley Swearingen, a former FBI Special Agent (from 1951 to 1977), and author of the 1995 book FBI Secrets: An Agent's Exposé, said that it was always viewed as a mystery the lack of documented evidence on Hoover's background:

"Because for all the FBI agents, they'd go back and check everything about your family, your relatives, and everything else, to make sure they're squeaky clean . . . and here, the Director, and nobody knows really where he came from . . . agents would get into topics like that where they on a surveillance or something, when they finished the crossword puzzle, and had nothing else to do, and they'd start talking about Hoover . . . all the agents would get onto the subject of his real tight hair, his tight, wirey hair, and speculation that maybe there was a little hanky-panky in his family . . . and then his facial characteristics were really unusual"
Spannaus has done excellent research himself, which along with McGhee, have also confirmed that there are substantial discrepancies concerning Hoover's early biography. He observes how:

Strikingly, there does not appear to be {any} contemporaneous record of Edgar's birth in Washington. Hoover's own autobiographical account - on which virtually all biographers have relied - states that he was born January 1, 1895, at his parents' home on Seward Square, in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Washington, D.C., with a physician, Dr. Mallan, in attendance.
However, despite the fact that it was legally required to report a birth to the District of Columbia Health Department, and that this had been done for the first two children born in the family (Dickerson, Jr. and Lillian), there was no certificate of birth filed for Edgar by Dr. Mallan.

The entry for John Edgar Hoover in the Washington D.C. index of births was clearly added at a much later date, and the certificate number contains the suffix "D'' - signifying a delayed filing.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/hoover_fbi.htm

dude picked the most obvious of fake birthdays. January First?




check out the taper fade lol

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Shhhhh.... Their ignorance can't understand your logic and common sense.

ironic
no being sympathetic makes one ignorant

 

[degenerate423]

Clothing giant Gap has pulled a controversial T-shirt off its warehouse shelves after outraged consumers lashed out via social media.

The simple, dark-blue T-shirt with "MANIFEST DESTINY" printed on it in stark white letters was part of the "Gap x GQ" collection, a joint effort between Gap and GQ Magazine to showcase America's best new designers.

"Unfortunately, the meaning of my 'Manifest Destiny' T shirt has been misconstrued and the sentiment behind it grossly misunderstood," McNairy posted on Twitter on Tuesday, blatantly disregarding his "survival of the fittest" quip. "I first learned of Manifest Destiny in American History in Junior High School. To me it has always meant that one could set goals, work hard, and achieve their dreams. Having the opportunity to design for the Gap was the realization of one of my dreams. This phrase and they way I used it was in no way meant to be offensive or hurtful, and I apologize to those who might have interpreted it in that manner."

So the realization of his dreams culminated in a plain shirt that says "Manifest Destiny?"  What ever happened to creativity?

What I've learned on NT is that everything is soft and sensitive when it has no bearing on you. It doesn't matter if 60-70% of people on the street wouldn't know what it means. When Abercrombie and Fitch released their racist Asian shirt some years back it was still offensive despite it being about a small minority group.

Seriously, dudes are acting like they weren't offended when some guy designed a shoe for Adidas with shackles on the back.  He says it was inspired by his favorite show, but it still got related to slavery.  However, it's a reach to relate "Manifest Destiny" to the brutal murdering of Native Americans.  Makes sense...

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Yeah, I think it's offensive.

 

[mitchellicious]

Lol at J. Edgar's taper fade proving he is black

 

[wr]

Lol at J. Edgar's taper fade proving he is black

def not my proof. I referred to the articles and entire book written on the subject in my post.

I just looked at the photo and he looked exactly like one of my homies used to look before he got locks.

I really just threw it in there for the hell of it and I'm sure somebody knows a guy with a fade looking similar to this guy that is definitely black, or mixed with black.

These accusations came from his colleagues. Not just I in 2012 with google at my disposal

 

[nocomment6]

wow, what nonsense....I wouldn't buy it regardless.

 

[da doc03]

What I've learned on NT is that everything is soft and sensitive when it has no bearing on you.

 

[deuce king]

For the fact that the T-shirt if offensive, whether it be offensive to you or not it should be pulled from the shelves.  Also, I never heard or knew that J. Edgar Hoover could have been black?