Existentialism

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Don’t worry, eventually you’ll be dead and nothing you ever did will matter. Even the kings and emperors will testify to this truth. All the existential $!@*+$!$ that you perceived in your mind will be replaced by other $!@*+$!$ that you can’t conceive about issues that don’t exist. All issues you worry about will eventually cease to exist. Time will go on, people will live, they will eventually all die. Given enough time the universe will cease to exist and perhaps be reborn to do its thing again.

In the moment, in your lovers arms, in your grandfather’s eyes, all of our misery melts away and you can see that there really isn’t that much that is that meaningful other than a moment. That all of our worries are mere drops in the ocean of existential nihilism, that our truth is much scarier than our imagined fictions. The flowers bloom and then die, they disappear — having performed their purpose in driving the engine of life. It’s simply a dance, a performance, in the scheme of things a movement, with no real purpose other than its form, that’s its truth.

Our truth is different, of a perceived nature, of an imagined meaning, for the real meaning is evident from the fact that all things are born to die, that death is the only logical conclusion to birth. Chaos may be the constructive force of change. If something is killed, something new will replace it, that energy is never wasted and the transformation brings change — the change that it brings can be interpreted as good or bad but that’s not its purpose; its purpose is to change. I could keep dwelling, but the point is this, your worrying is illogical and not well founded because the nature of the universe the biggest tragedy — that all life dies, that all relationships fail, that everything you do can be wiped out in a single moment or over centuries. All we have is the moment, and we are free to create our own meaning in it as we so choose — it’s ours; it belongs to us. The universe does not weep for its morality is to change, at the cost of destruction.


Cliffnotes: What’s the point if everything ends up empty?


I didn't write this, but I'm reading a book on existentialism for English and I found this article. It's really hopeless and depressing when you think about it. Sure you could live your life to the fullest, but in the end the outcome is the same. You won't even have any recolition of how your life was lived.
 
I hate when English classes attempt to teach Philosophy. Just proves my point that English as a career is in the shadow of Philosophy and is really just an inferior area of study. (I'm an English and Philosphy double major btw).

You wouldn't exist if there wasn't something you were supposed to do. If nothing really mattered, there wouldn't be anything at all. But there are things. There are many things. The universe is infinitely expanding. Obviously, there isn't "nothing", but many things. There must be something these things are contributing to, but it isn't clear what that goal is.

Plus, we don't know that "everything ends up empty". The universe is still around, I'm still alive and I think you are too. We don't know that everything ends up empty inevitably. We do know that energy is preserved and never really is destroyed or produced. Everything that exists now was created with the Big Bang, but nothing has been destroyed, or become empty, really. The space in which these things exist has gotten bigger, which actually cannot mean that things are just on the road to emptiness.

Perhaps there is something like a Big Crunch, where things become condensed and a Big Bang ensues anew.

One thing is certain, that there are things. We are not certain that things end up empty and
 
Everyone ends up in a pitch black world with no feeling or anything. You don't go anywhere special when you die. You end up the way you came in.


Think what I possibly can do to feel some sort of fulfillment in my life. Pack my bowl and sit outside and just look at the leaves coming in, this world is unique and we aren't supposed to seek answers because there is no question.
 
Originally Posted by carbine

 It's really hopeless and depressing

It sure as hell is, but it makes lots of sense to me. Oh well, at least i'm worry-free
 
I like it! Having read "The Stranger" and "Waiting for Godot"

You should read these.
 
Posting for later.
...btw I just switched my major to Philosophy.
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What are some of the classes you are taking/ have to take?
 
Originally Posted by Air ih Zona

Originally Posted by carbine

 It's really hopeless and depressing

It sure as hell is, but it makes lots of sense to me. Oh well, at least i'm worry-free
It makes sense to me, but I wish it didn't.
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Originally Posted by davidisgodly

I like it! Having read "The Stranger" and "Waiting for Godot"

You should read these.
We're reading "The Stranger."

  
 
Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

I hate when English classes attempt to teach Philosophy. Just proves my point that English as a career is in the shadow of Philosophy and is really just an inferior area of study. (I'm an English and Philosphy double major btw).

You wouldn't exist if there wasn't something you were supposed to do. If nothing really mattered, there wouldn't be anything at all. But there are things. There are many things. The universe is infinitely expanding. Obviously, there isn't "nothing", but many things. There must be something these things are contributing to, but it isn't clear what that goal is.

Plus, we don't know that "everything ends up empty". The universe is still around, I'm still alive and I think you are too. We don't know that everything ends up empty inevitably. We do know that energy is preserved and never really is destroyed or produced. Everything that exists now was created with the Big Bang, but nothing has been destroyed, or become empty, really. The space in which these things exist has gotten bigger, which actually cannot mean that things are just on the road to emptiness.

Perhaps there is something like a Big Crunch, where things become condensed and a Big Bang ensues anew.

One thing is certain, that there are things. We are not certain that things end up empty and

Interesting thoughts. Our physical matter energy will break down and return go into the Earth, but what happens to our mind?
 
It was not only that I could not become spiteful, I did not know how to become anything: neither spiteful nor kind, neither a rascal nor an honest man, neither a hero nor an insect. Now, I am living out my life in my corner, taunting myself with the spiteful and useless consolation that an intelligent man cannot become anything seriously, and it is only the fool who becomes anything. -Fyodor Dostoevsky

Realer words may never have been spoken.
 
Originally Posted by carbine

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

I hate when English classes attempt to teach Philosophy. Just proves my point that English as a career is in the shadow of Philosophy and is really just an inferior area of study. (I'm an English and Philosphy double major btw).

You wouldn't exist if there wasn't something you were supposed to do. If nothing really mattered, there wouldn't be anything at all. But there are things. There are many things. The universe is infinitely expanding. Obviously, there isn't "nothing", but many things. There must be something these things are contributing to, but it isn't clear what that goal is.

Plus, we don't know that "everything ends up empty". The universe is still around, I'm still alive and I think you are too. We don't know that everything ends up empty inevitably. We do know that energy is preserved and never really is destroyed or produced. Everything that exists now was created with the Big Bang, but nothing has been destroyed, or become empty, really. The space in which these things exist has gotten bigger, which actually cannot mean that things are just on the road to emptiness.

Perhaps there is something like a Big Crunch, where things become condensed and a Big Bang ensues anew.

One thing is certain, that there are things. We are not certain that things end up empty and

Interesting thoughts. Our physical matter energy will break down and return go into the Earth, but what happens to our mind?
I think those having a strong mind and presence in this earth remain among the living. I really don't know if I believe in ghosts or things along those lines because personally I have never experienced anything of that nature, but would it be crazy to think that those who have a strong mind and a very strong sense of being and living remain among us as ghosts or unexplained phenomenon.

Maybe those ghosts and strange apparitions are people who died but the mind and thoughts remained among us for us to see. But then that means something more exists, but I am not sure if I believe in something more if I haven't witnessed.

crazy
 
Originally Posted by davidisgodly

I like it! Having read "The Stranger" and "Waiting for Godot"

You should read these.


The Stranger is great. Sartre is superb. I'm going to take a class on existentialism before my undergrad career is over.
 
Originally Posted by THIZZLE WIGLE

%%#$ philosophy huge waste of time

lifes a $*++@ then you die thats the only truth


How is philosophy a waste of time? Of course life's a @!$++. Philosophy isn't just about that. Read up on Locke, Rousseau, and so many others. It's far more interesting and broad than you give it credit.
 
i think we are only conscious because our DNA is still being produced. Our DNA is our most important feature, so I'm going with that. When our body stops producing DNA, which serves as motivator for our body, our consciousness shuts off. I think our "mind" stops working when out body stops working. When our body can no longer keep up with itself, can no longer maintain itself, then there is no more awareness of itself.

Maybe there really isn't anything to the mind more than that. I am conscious only when I am living. Not sure, though, since I'm not dead.
 
I am going to teach philosophy. I have thought about this many times. Even if this is our only life...why wouldn't you want to live it to the fullest? Even if it doesn't matter in the end. Even if our soul doesn't carry on, soothe your soul while your alive. Just be happy.
 
Originally Posted by ChiefWiggum

I am going to teach philosophy. I have thought about this many times. Even if this is our only life...why wouldn't you want to live it to the fullest? Even if it doesn't matter in the end. Even if our soul doesn't carry on, soothe your soul while your alive. Just be happy.

Where will you be teaching and what specific area?
 
This is a pretty short thread but I'm tired so I'm going to Cliffs Notes myself...


If one could commit suicide immediately, without hesitation and without pain, it would be one of the most rational decisions of one's life. Not saying you should kill yourself now. But assuming you knew that you were experiencing the best day/moment of your life, every other day/moment of your life would be less pleasurable than that day/moment. In that sense, I believe you could rationalize killing yourself so as to avoid experiencing any moments beyond the best of your life.

There are counters to this (accumulated memories, a life of achievement, etc.) and there is the difficulty of knowing when you are experiencing the best day/moment of your life. This is the single most intriguing topic I've covered in philosophy and I may very well end up writing a dissertation on it. In the mean time, you need to check out Professor Kagan's course on academicearth.org/courses/death
 
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