FOAMPOSITE DISCUSSION Nike Air Foamposite One SWOOSH ALL OVER DEC192019

[rainking]

It’s gotta be a cost cutting measure. 97s adjusted for inflation would be $350 today and 2010s adjusted for inflation would be $290 today. Obviously, inflation doesn’t hit every material or product at the same rate, but it’s clear Nike wouldn’t have the same profitability selling OG mold and materials for $230 today. I would personally be willing to pay $300-350 once every few years if they nailed it, but that’s just not Nike’s business model now. And every release would turn into the 17 lows if that happened. Unfortunately, we’re either going to get bad takedowns of classics or not get them at all.

For the inflation cost convo does it apply when Nike’s initial cost included all the R&D and manufacturing to get the shoes produced? The retros shouldn’t be close to the inflated anyway because so much of the work to create the shoes have already been built and designed. If anything wouldn’t things be cheaper? Even if Nike made them like the OGs part of the cost would likely be how much hype/demand would justify the price. It’s why other Nike retros don’t get near the JB retros despite there being overlap between tech and materials used

I’m no economist or product planner so I have no idea.

This. I have no doubt it's a cost-cutting, margin-improving decision, but I also think the inflation formula doesn't work 1:1 on these for various reasons. One of those reasons is indeed that the OG price of Foams was due to the original R&D and then the expensive molds required to make them. But that was also at a time when Nike's business model didn't account for the idea that shoes would live forever and be able to be rereleased and sold over and over again, because the retro thing wasn't a thing yet. So I presume the high OG price was arrived at to cover the R&D and manufacturing costs that needed to be covered by sales of the shoe for only a year or so, because that's what the typical shelf life of sneakers was at the time. Nike wasn't thinking it would be selling runs of this same shoe repeatedly over the next nearly 30 years, which would obviously massively scale the cost per unit a lot lower than it appeared originally.

Point is, I don't believe for one second that Nike can't make a good margin on Foam sales today at the price it charges even if it kept the proportions/specs of the shoe the exact same as they had been. This new downsized version likely just makes those margins even better, and companies and shareholders are greedy. If they can get away with it and still sell through entire runs of shoes, they'll do it.

What I do find confounding--and admittedly it's probably because I don't know anything about how these things are actually made anymore--is that it seems to me it would be more expensive to go to the trouble of making new molds or whatever Nike calls them to produce these Foams in this altered form. The existing molds that had been in use ... why not just keep using them? But it's probably a simple formula: Is the cost of new versions of the mold less than the increased profit margin from shrinking the shoe? If so, that explains it. And who knows, maybe the Foam molds were in need of replacement after years of use, so at that point Nike sees it as a good opportunity to downsize them when it needs to order new ones.

 

[headdetective]

Nike just being cheap and greedy.

Period.

 

[urn0tlike]

On top of them being cut lower, the foam is cheaper too. They’ve butchered this line so much just to make that extra buck.

 

[thmea]

This. I have no doubt it's a cost-cutting, margin-improving decision, but I also think the inflation formula doesn't work 1:1 on these for various reasons. One of those reasons is indeed that the OG price of Foams was due to the original R&D and then the expensive molds required to make them. But that was also at a time when Nike's business model didn't account for the idea that shoes would live forever and be able to be rereleased and sold over and over again, because the retro thing wasn't a thing yet. So I presume the high OG price was arrived at to cover the R&D and manufacturing costs that needed to be covered by sales of the shoe for only a year or so, because that's what the typical shelf life of sneakers was at the time. Nike wasn't thinking it would be selling runs of this same shoe repeatedly over the next nearly 30 years, which would obviously massively scale the cost per unit a lot lower than it appeared originally.

Point is, I don't believe for one second that Nike can't make a good margin on Foam sales today at the price it charges even if it kept the proportions/specs of the shoe the exact same as they had been. This new downsized version likely just makes those margins even better, and companies and shareholders are greedy. If they can get away with it and still sell through entire runs of shoes, they'll do it.

What I do find confounding--and admittedly it's probably because I don't know anything about how these things are actually made anymore--is that it seems to me it would be more expensive to go to the trouble of making new molds or whatever Nike calls them to produce these Foams in this altered form. The existing molds that had been in use ... why not just keep using them? But it's probably a simple formula: Is the cost of new versions of the mold less than the increased profit margin from shrinking the shoe? If so, that explains it. And who knows, maybe the Foam molds were in need of replacement after years of use, so at that point Nike sees it as a good opportunity to downsize them when it needs to order new ones.

If memory serves, WearTesters has said the it is not only the OG molds but the actual OG materials (glues and stuff like that) that are no longer allowed to bu used. I'm going by memory, don't quote me.

 

[aceofjays]

Nike just being cheap and greedy.

Period.

 

[ntva28]

DMVs > pepto bismols

pepto bismols

 

[q-ball2220]

Saw this girl in Snipes with the coppers on earlier today. These ain’t it! Lignter color would be decent on the old mold but def not this mold. I was thinking about selling my DS 2017 pair to grab these but ima just start wearing them now and pass on the new pair.

 

[KanyIZZY]

That’s the spirit

#SayNoToSockposites

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Nike is doing a trash job across the board on a lot of basketball retro's right now.

Seem like they getting Lebron's and Kobe's correct

 

[Maximus Meridius]

What about the '24 Eggplants? Are they lows? I was thinking about getting a pair.

 

[buddhashark]

Seem like they getting Lebron's and Kobe's correct

Ehh. The retro 8s aren’t really close to the OGs. Big steps down in color matching, materials, and toe shape/construction. I can’t speak for the other brons.

 

[queese23]

What about the '24 Eggplants? Are they lows? I was thinking about getting a pair.

Yes!!!!!

 

[kilroythedon]

Damn that sucks, guess I won’t be buying foams anytime soon.

 

[WASHED KING]

Ehh. The retro 8s aren’t really close to the OGs. Big steps down in color matching, materials, and toe shape/construction. I can speak for the other brons.

The Big Bang 9's were zero calories versions too. Thinner ankle padding, no mesh tongue.

 

[mikey23]

Ehh. The retro 8s aren’t really close to the OGs. Big steps down in color matching, materials, and toe shape/construction. I can’t speak for the other brons.

The 7s were done right, only thing they messed up was not retroing CTK's., but they gave us MVP's

 

[bklyn style baby]

Air Foamposite One Copper

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$180

 

[JMB10215]

The Big Bang 9's were zero calories versions too. Thinner ankle padding, no mesh tongue.

Hold on those big bang 9's retro was kinda fire. The orange popped even more on the retro than the OG.

 

[sip24]

Air Foamposite One Copper

Black/Metallic Copper/Off Noir We've reimagined the Air Foamposite, one of our favorite basketball shoes from the '90s, to create a sneaker icon you can play in all day. Metallic colors and synthetic leather add durability and style to this pair. Synthetic leather in the upper provides...

www.woodstack.com

$180

I missed this and would have copped at this price. I'll keep searching for a deal. I know some of the pics don't make them look great but I've never owned this colorway.

 

[headdetective]

Around the way fit

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[Vegeta's hairline]

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Up to 10.5

 

[queese23]

When galaxies drop ?

 

[jacktown83]

When galaxies drop ?

February

 

[dbff]

At this point, I hope the Coppers are as widely available in January. December as been an expensive month already lol.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Can't wait to see the galaxy comparison 2012 vs 2025