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[h2]NCAA penalties extend to 10 FSU sports[/h2]

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The Florida State football team will vacate an undetermined number of wins, serve four years' probation, and face a reductionin scholarships and other penalties due to what the NCAA described Friday as "major violations" from an academic cheating scandal.

Nine other programs were also penalized -- baseball, men's track and field, women's track and field, men's swimming, women's swimming,men's basketball, women's basketball, softball and men's golf -- and face the same sanctions. Overall, the scandal involved 61 athletes.

Football coach Bobby Bowden would have entered the coming season with 382 career victories, trailing Penn State coach Joe Paternoby one win on the all-time list. The sanctions will force him to forfeit all wins during which ineligible students competed in 2006 and 2007.

It is not immediately clear how many wins Florida State will have to vacate. Dennis Thomas, the vice chair of the Committee on Infractions and acting chairfor the FSU case, said only one ineligible player would have had to participate in a game for the entire team record has to be vacated.

"We believe that the NCAA confirmed that our investigative efforts and our self-imposed penalties were appropriate," Florida State president T.K.Wetherell said in a statement Friday. "We already began implementing our self-imposed penalties. And we will begin implementing all but one of theNCAA's additional sanctions.

"We just don't understand the sanction to vacate all wins in athletics contests in which ineligible student-athletes competed because we did notallow anyone who we knew was ineligible to compete. Our position throughout the inquiry was that as soon as we knew of a problem, they didn'tplay."

The football team will be limited to 83 total scholarships in 2008-09; 82 in 2009-10; and 84 in 2010-11; the maximum usually allowed by the NCAA is 85.Florida State self-imposed the loss of the two scholarships for 2008-09, and will self-impose the loss of three scholarships for 2009-10. The NCAA added anadditional loss of scholarship from the maximum in 2010-11.

The committee stated this case was "extremely serious" because of the large number of student-athletes involved and the fact that academic fraudis considered by the committee to be among the most egregious of NCAA rules violations.

Florida State's probation extends through March 5, 2013.

"I must say that Florida State did a great job in cooperating with the enforcement staff in accumulating all of the information that wasrequired," Thomas said. "Yes, Florida State did self-report. They did an outstanding job. We have to give Florida State University credit forthat."

The NCAA determined that a former learning specialist, academic advisor and tutor gave "improper assistance" to Florida State athletes who weretaking online courses. According to the NCAA, the former learning specialist typed portions of papers for at least three athletes and also provided answers toan online psychology course quiz by instructing another athlete to complete the quiz on behalf of the athlete enrolled in the course.

Heather Dinich covers the ACC for ESPN.com.


Looks like Bowden will never catch Joe Pa...

BTW I hope they give the Terps their win back, we'd be 7-7 in the conference
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Yeah.

But, there is talk that none of the players who would be ineligble actually played in those games.

So they won't have to forfeit those games.

Don't celebrate just yet buddy.

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NEW MEXICO lost 15 scholarships for something much smaller but still academic fraud related.. they better thank the lord for that small penalty
 
Originally Posted by WallyHopp

NEW MEXICO lost 15 scholarships for something much smaller but still academic fraud related.. they better thank the lord for that small penalty
post up the link for that. i doubt it was that small if they lost 15 scholarships
 
Originally Posted by WallyHopp

NEW MEXICO lost 15 scholarships for something much smaller but still academic fraud related.. they better thank the lord for that small penalty
They lost 15 for one year? B/C that would be a death penalty.

Or 15 over a period of time?

I'm pretty sure it was 15 over the next 3-4 years.
 
Originally Posted by dreClark

Originally Posted by WallyHopp

NEW MEXICO lost 15 scholarships for something much smaller but still academic fraud related.. they better thank the lord for that small penalty
They lost 15 for one year? B/C that would be a death penalty.

Or 15 over a period of time?

I'm pretty sure it was 15 over the next 3-4 years.
QFT. there is no way they took away 15 for a year. That'd damn near cripple a program for a long time
 
Originally Posted by 18key

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Good job FSU. Giving my Gators more ammo for years to come.
You must've never heard of Charley Pell.

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Fact is, none of the big three have any room to talk.

Guns, Drugs, Academics, suspensions, Money,whatever. All have had there fair share.
 
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/27/sports/FBC-New-Mexico-NCAA.php
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.: The NCAA infractions appeals committee upheld a reduction of five scholarships imposed on New Mexico's football program for major rulesviolations resulting from an academic fraud investigation.

The NCAA's infractions committee imposed the penalty in August, cutting New Mexico's scholarship offers from 25 to 20 each year for three years.

New Mexico's total number of scholarships was also reduced, from the maximum allowable 85 to 80, each year through the 2011 season.

In its appeal, New Mexico had argued the penalties were too harsh. But in affirming the findings this week, the appeals committee determined the case involved"serious violations."

"Although the increased scholarship penalties are more severe than those imposed in some other cases involving academic fraud, we do not find that theyare excessive," the NCAA said Thursday, quoting the committee in a news release.
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An investigation found two former assistants in 2004-05 improperly helped three recruits obtain fraudulent academic credits through correspondencecourses they never completed at Fresno Pacific University.

New Mexico athletic director Paul Krebs was asked if he felt the outcome was fair.

"The only way for me to answer that is we broke the rules," he said. "I do not want anybody to accuse us of whining. I'll leave it forothers to decide whether they think it's fair or not."

Krebs said there is a trend in college sports toward increasing sanctions for rules violations "and unfortunately, we're one of the first casesexperiencing that, if you will, get-tough policy."

Coach Mike Locksley, hired in December after Rocky Long resigned, said as a matter of caution he went through the recent recruiting period on the assumptionthe appeal would be denied.

Consequently, the Lobos signed only 20 players for next season.

Krebs said New Mexico was given credit for a one-scholarship reduction that was self-imposed by the school earlier. The Lobos can sign 21 players in 2011 tocomplete the punishment and can carry 81 scholarship players in 2011.

Long was not accused of any wrongdoing by the NCAA. He was New Mexico's coach for 11 years until resigning shortly after last season and was hired inDecember as San Diego State's defensive coordinator.
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It was 15 lost over three years.. Down from 85 to 80. NCAA admits in that link, its harsher than others, but thats the WAY IT is.. NON BCS schools getting beatdown by the big guys.
You tell me how this differs from this cheating scandal?
 
Lemme go ahead and get this out the way before someone gets butt hurt.
My reply was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. I know UF has done some pretty stupid things. And we get roasted for it, too.

Dre is right. None of us have room to talk anymore. So, more than anything, I'm not seriously happy FSU got scholarship suspensions and all that. It takesaway from the competition.
 
Originally Posted by 18key

Lemme go ahead and get this out the way before someone gets butt hurt.
My reply was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. I know UF has done some pretty stupid things. And we get roasted for it, too.

Dre is right. None of us have room to talk anymore. So, more than anything, I'm not seriously happy FSU got scholarship suspensions and all that. It takes away from the competition.


Come on man, don't stop talking %@*@. Where's the fun in that? I was just saying....
 
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I'll be talking when football season starts again. Believe that. I'm having an off day tho. Goin to the Watchmen at 3:45 am wasnt such a good idea.
 
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