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I'd like to see a lab test the materials from store bought and grey market pairs and see what the results would be. I know there is no way in hell those 17s have exact materials as originals. It might me close, but there's no way they got those identical. I don't care what it LOOKS like from a picture. This would be huge if a blog did that. They would get a ton of traffic.

If any people from blogs are reading this, feel free to steal that idea lol.

Why it is so hard to believe that corruption in China

Has lead to da unauthorized manufacturing of da

original mold of da Jordan XVII's? Jordans arent

Made of magical fairy dust :lol:.
 
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I'd like to see a lab test the materials from store bought and grey market pairs and see what the results would be. I know there is no way in hell those 17s have exact materials as originals. It might me close, but there's no way they got those identical. I don't care what it LOOKS like from a picture. This would be huge if a blog did that. They would get a ton of traffic.

If any people from blogs are reading this, feel free to steal that idea lol.


lab results? not sure if srs...

we are dealing with leather, etc not freakin chemicals and food

its the same materials but from a different era obviously. you think they are using dog leather or something? come on brah. pretty sure same materials are being used on all these shoes, thats the whole issue. People are being fooled.

If the same materials werent being used then this thread/problem wouldnt exist because everyone would be able to tell them apart with ease.
 
lab results? not sure if srs...

we are dealing with leather, etc not freakin chemicals and food

its the same materials but from a different era obviously. you think they are using dog leather or something? come on brah. pretty sure same materials are being used on all these shoes, thats the whole issue. People are being fooled.

If the same materials werent being used then this thread/problem wouldnt exist because everyone would be able to tell them apart with ease.
Of course he wouldn't want a chemical mix to test garments. Simple water test and thread counts in materials under a microscope would do fine. It wouldn't take much but even if it was done it would be more excuses on the dates of the materials being made.
 
just an aside, it's rare as hell to see fakes in australia. our customs are really on the ball when it comes to identifying, seizing and destroying kicks (and other stuff of course).
 
lab results? not sure if srs...

we are dealing with leather, etc not freakin chemicals and food

its the same materials but from a different era obviously. you think they are using dog leather or something? come on brah. pretty sure same materials are being used on all these shoes, thats the whole issue. People are being fooled.

If the same materials werent being used then this thread/problem wouldnt exist because everyone would be able to tell them apart with ease.
Of course he wouldn't want a chemical mix to test garments. Simple water test and thread counts in materials under a microscope would do fine. It wouldn't take much but even if it was done it would be more excuses on the dates of the materials being made.
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what are you propositioning, carbon dating?

da min new school cats who cop sneakers start to resemble da awkwardness of star treky geeks is da min i fall back permanently w/t it.
 
Sorry for that one. Your response and query seemed to completely ignore what i had already written, where i noted the striking dissimilarities between analogues. I think it is more of a case of stolen property than copyright infringement.
Somebody uses US mint equipment without authorization to produce money and they're, what, stealing the money they just produced?  And what does that make the money?  Stolen, but still legal tender? 

It isn't authentic unless it's authorized.  If it were stolen, it would've been produced legitimately and THEN taken.  We're talking about products that were produced illegally, not taken and RESOLD illegally.  That's an important distinction, and one that differentiates "third shift counterfeits" from stolen goods. 
Yes, absolutely. Some of the crap that gets through Nike QA is really shocking. This quality point has been exhausted in previous threads. Ultimately, both legit and dodgy sources can be hit or miss, and it is not a real differentiating factor.
That Nike QA is flawed doesn't mean it's "just as bad" as whatever the "third shift" is using.  There's NO proof of that.  We don't have a large enough sample of products to evaluate as proof of that point, but whenever anyone gets a laughably flawed pair of Air Jordans it's immediately posted online.  Were you to evaluate Nike's QA SOLELY by the glamor shots you see of the products on websites and auction listings, you'd have a very different impression of Nike's product quality, too. 
Those old third shift examples you refer to are the very cheap fakes which are still around, and they don't apply to what we are talking about. As for reputation, business works the same, being legal or not.
And how do you know?  Have you cut the recent "third shift counterfeits" open?  Are you absolutely certain they're built to the exact specifications of authentic products, or are you just making assumptions based on hearsay and photographs? 

The point is simply that these people don't have the same incentive to avoid cutting corners.  How do they value their reputation the same way Nike does?  These sites have a shelf life of about 6 months before they're shut down and reopened under another name.  They're not trying to build a "brand identity" here.  The brand identity they're leveraging is the one whose IP they've stolen.  They're not making a name for themselves; they're using someone else's name to sell illegal "replicas".
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Counterfeiters aren't labeling their products "replicas."  

a fair point
And that's inherently and deliberately deceptive. 
I don't subscribe to law as holy writ, and as an individual agree with laws only proportionately to the actual harm they prevent. This is probably one of the main areas we disagree in, and i'm fine with that.
Nobody said that all laws are holy, but there are some common notions of right and wrong shared by the bulk of humanity, and one of them is that taking things that don't belong to you and deceiving others for your own selfish ends tends to veer toward the "wrong" side of the spectrum.  

It's not like we're talking about somebody smoking in the privacy of their homes and not harming anyone.  It's not a "victimless crime."  The victims are clear and obvious.  You have a company whose rights have been violated, even if you want to cast them as the big, evil corporation, and then you have consumers who are duped into believing that they're buying authentic Nike and Air Jordan products, only to be sold criminally produced replicas.  That some do so knowingly and willingly does not negate that fact that these products are NOT accurately labeled and that this is so for a reason:  they are unauthorized, illegal products masquerading as authorized, legal products. 
 
they grey markets remind me of those replica rolex watches from da late 90's they used to make that were SOLID 18k gold, and had automatic movement.

you couldn't tell till u specialist tried to service it and realized da movements weren't rolex technology, but they were so on point many

owners just kept them as their second watch...what are you gonna do, stop wearing solid gold?
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like i said before, coppin jordans online is over, unless its a older colorway or a older retro+ that hasn't seen a re-released since this grey market era

began you'll never know for sure because since they're basically da same product, just on da other side of da ethics conversation.
 
they grey markets remind me of those replica rolex watches from da late 90's they used to make that were SOLID 18k gold, and had automatic movement.

you couldn't tell till u specialist tried to service it and realized da movements weren't rolex technology, but they were so on point many

owners just kept them as their second watch...what are you gonna do, stop wearing solid gold? :lol:

like i said before, coppin jordans online is over, unless its a older colorway or a older retro+ that hasn't seen a re-released since this grey market era

began you'll never know for sure because since they're basically da same product, just on da other side of da ethics conversation.


Solid gold?
An do u know how much a fake rolex with solid gold would cost then?

Totally defeats the purpose of the fake rolex

U could get them with swiss movement without solid gold.

Only a real tool would belive they would get a real rolex (solid gold) for the price those had to have sold for. Fake rolexs under 50.

Fake rolex with solid gold wouldnt have sold less than 200, just on the value of the gold
 
umm you must've forgot back in da late 90's gold didn't cost da astronomical amount that it did now so yes, a SOLID gold replica rolex with automatic

movement was much more then a few grand cheaper then da actual rolex watches because you forget when purchase luxury items like that your paying

for prestige of da name. da cost of making da watch from labor and raw materials is MUCH cheaper then da final MSRP, same goes for these jordans.
 
lab results? not sure if srs...

we are dealing with leather, etc not freakin chemicals and food

its the same materials but from a different era obviously. you think they are using dog leather or something? come on brah. pretty sure same materials are being used on all these shoes, thats the whole issue. People are being fooled.

If the same materials werent being used then this thread/problem wouldnt exist because everyone would be able to tell them apart with ease.
Of course he wouldn't want a chemical mix to test garments. Simple water test and thread counts in materials under a microscope would do fine. It wouldn't take much but even if it was done it would be more excuses on the dates of the materials being made.

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How many ounces in a rolex?

More than 1 ounce. Gold was over 500 an ounce.

Nobody was gonna pay well over 500 for a fake rolex,

Unless they were an idiot


Please tell me u didnt buy one.
 
How many ounces in a rolex?

More than 1 ounce. Gold was over 500 an ounce.

Nobody was gonna pay well over 500 for a fake rolex,

Unless they were an idiot


Please tell me u didnt buy one.
are you really this naive?

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we're talking about a SOLID gold replica watch that was about as accurate you can get to being a rolex..you damn right people were buying it

especially when rolex watches are worth when they were new from that era cost north 15k

[h1]How Much Gold Is Really In A Rolex Watch?[/h1]

Ever Wondered How Much Gold Is Really In Your Rolex?

The solid gold Rolex watch is really a thing of beauty. The typical gents Rolex President looks rather impressive due to its obvious mass and weight not to mention the price tag that goes with it. But did you ever really wonder what the actual gold value is in a Rolex President? Below we have taken an 18kt. gold Rolex and have removed the movement, the crystal and other non-gold parts. We weighed each part using a laboratory grade scientific balance. We are sure you will find the results very interesting. All values were based on the spot price of gold at $400.00 per troy ounce.

All precious metals are weighed using the troy system. One troy ounce contains 31.1 grams of a particular precious metal. There is 480 grains in one troy ounce. If the spot price of gold is $400.00 per troy ounce, the value per gram would be $12.86. Using these standards, the actual gold value in the Gents Rolex President would be $963.27.


http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-Much-Gold-Is-Really-In-A-Rolex-Watch/10000000001632748/g.html
 
rolls eyes, and shuts mouth. there is no need for me to continue, methodman. this isn't going to go anywhere good, so i'll just stop right there.
 
How many ounces in a rolex?

More than 1 ounce. Gold was over 500 an ounce.

Nobody was gonna pay well over 500 for a fake rolex,

Unless they were an idiot


Please tell me u didnt buy one.

People pay $500 for fake Rolex watches all the time. Specially with accurate metals.

You're talking about a $7,000 - $15,000 watch. Putting diamonds on them actually decreases the value. That's about the only thing on earth you an add diamonds too and have it be worth less money.

But watches and shoes are not the best comparison.

This thread is stating to give me a headache.
 
I ve read a lot in this forums. All I can say buy it with your own risk. Since early release shoes have pros and cons.

Peace everyone
 
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Dont u have a chemical experiment to work on?

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Wrong person genius. It's obvious what kind of person you are. Fake shoes fake watches fake stones and since that what you represent I'm going to assume you are the same.

So all your fake stories about connects directly in the factory is laughable and you have yet to prove any of your fake stories. Your only argument is they "look a like" so they must be real. Just like since your Rolex looks a like to Rolex it's a replica. You can call that a replica but can't say a shoe is a replica and one is 10x more complicated then the other.

Flawed thinking. Your riding a horse you can't get off and your just going to hold on till you fall off....it's sad....still al this talk and still no proof.
 
A GMT-II is affordable.  Just because you see the name Rolex doesn't mean it's $15k.  Look at the Submariners or Yachtmasters they're extremely affordable.
 
Dont u have a chemical experiment to work on?

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Wrong person genius. It's obvious what kind of person you are. Fake shoes fake watches fake stones and since that what you represent I'm going to assume you are the same.

So all your fake stories about connects directly in the factory is laughable and you have yet to prove any of your fake stories. Your only argument is they "look a like" so they must be real. Just like since your Rolex looks a like to Rolex it's a replica. You can call that a replica but can't say a shoe is a replica and one is 10x more complicated then the other.

Flawed thinking. Your riding a horse you can't get off and your just going to hold on till you fall off....it's sad....still al this talk and still no proof.

Believe what u then b, my point is already validated.
 
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