Help with some Bred 4's

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I've lurked for a while and usual am able to find all the info by just searching. I came across these Retro Bred 4's and I'm curious why I can't find anything on them. Any insight would be appreciated as far as what year these were released and if the box is correct for the shoe. They have Jumpman on the back. Right now these are the only pictures I have. If I need more, please let me know. Thanks all.  
 
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Could these been part of the count down pack that had the 19s?
 
Is there a Countdown pack tag stitched on the insole of the shoe? That would let you know right away if its form that pack. An those production dates on the tag look off, especially if thats the OG box, they didn't have those boxes in 09. The box itself looks pretty off, numbers don't seem to not be standard Nike numbering. I'd be wary of this pair
 
Cool, thanks a lot. No count down tag and that's what threw me off more than anything was the box. I couldn't find anything released in 09, either. I gave $50 for them even on the chance they weren't real just to rock. Just wanted to see what anyone else thought. 
 
that is mos def not the box that came with those 4's. the production is 2009 that box is from i believe 2005. plus the countdown pack came with a special editon box. if you put both boxes together it forms a image of the back of Jordans chicago bulls jersey bro.
 
we would need to see more pics of the shoe bro. but if you paid $50 for them im leaning towards fakes my man
 
I paid $50 cause the dude I got them from is one of by good friends. He got them from his cousin years ago and they just sat. He told me I could just have them but I couldn't do that. As I said, even at $50, I can't complain if they are fake. Just curious if they actually were. Thank you!
 
i hear that fam aint nothing wrong with that. if my memory serves me correctly bred 4's retroed on 1999, 2008, and 2012 bro.
 
Need more pictures but that box is definitely fake and if the pair came with that box originally then youve got your answer
 
What worries me the most is that tongue, looks like jumpan is touching the stitching which ain't right but I must say that I'm confused.
Don't know what to think because that pair doesn't look like usual GMs or fakes but that box though...
 
They sure are comfortable, that's for sure. While I didn't pay much attention to the Jumpman by the stitching (I will when I get home),  they look like my Thunder 4's.
 
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$220-250, you should be able to get them for closer to 220 though, always remember to negotiate
i agree with this price range. but i have been seeing these bred 4's lately going for more but i dont know why. i was able to cop a DS sz 9.5 bout a year ago for $220
 
These are fakes. Insole is supposed to be red. The box is way off especially with that horrible font.
 
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