Hip Hop really is dead

[Magic33]

Doesn't matter. It's a stimulant. You gonna pick and choose the promotion of alcohol as well?

Not reaching at all. It being mainstream doesn't matter. It simply wasn't mainstream because the ****** doing it wasn't popular enough for it to have been recognized. It's nothing new at all. The **** has been promoted for the longest.

All thats happening now is the same **** that's been happening before in new ways and forms.

No it's not the same thing that's why you're reaching.

You should easily be able to point to examples.

And rap sure as heck had more diversity, everyone from Kid N Play and Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince, to Brand Nubian and Big Daddy Kane, to Ice T and NWA to Tribe and EPMD, to Young MC and Sir Mix A Lot, to LL and KRS One

These were mainstream rappers

The 90's progressively got worse as corporate america gained control of our culture.

It's not a coincidence that the music coming out is what it is.

Kendrick, Cole and Logic sell more than any of them, but what is signed, pushed, and promoted?

You need to look inward and stop defending it, just because it's your generation, because the loser in all of this are black young people.

You have a generation of unhireables. Who can't speak, can't write and with a bunch of tatts on their arms, necks and faces.

 

[6pac]

Man, like half your list is 30 or near 30

whats wrong w that?

these are about to be "the guys" for the next 10 years

 

[dipsetgeneral]

Rap is dead as ****. It's trash. I rarely listen to new Rap. I mostly listen to R&B and old Rap.

Sorry but this is the truth. & OP is right.

 

[danikerhino]

People always say "well Hip Hop always changes like from the 90s to the 2000s...". It did change as far production, but it was all lyrical even when the subject to manner was about drugs, women, and crime. You either listened to punchlines, conscience, or club/party ****. Nowadays, there's not too much conscience, barely any punchline rappers, and too much club/party ****. And the thing is they aren't even cleverly articulating lyrics, not even to a simple rhyme with no punchlines. All they're doing is stating things that are hot like a damn announcement over a beat made on a program in which anyone can use. A lot of beats aren't even complex anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love what was coming out of ATL in the latter 2000s, but they started all this **** with D4L, Bone Crusher, and other goofy *** artists and that sound took over. Even Crime Mob will run circles around the new artists these days because they at least had some consistent content and rhymed. Doesn't matter though, this trend will get old very soon.

 

[tay1]

Conscience artists are out here. Folks just don't wanna look past the radio

 

[AWOKEN CHARISMA]

^Majority of the so called conscience emcees underground or otherwise these days, aint really nothing but recycled rhetoric and/or whiny ***ch*s.

For the most part,, the only art of hip hop (outside some producers and long term artist)that still remains true to its roots is Battle rap..

 

[ggarvinxx3]

This is my problem with you dudes who put Hip Hop in a box...

Hip Hop aint just a musical genre, its a culture composed of: Dance, Visual Arts, Music, Language (Slang), Fashion, Attitude, etc. 

No matter what Hip Hop culture is alive and well b, its just a sub genre of Hip Hop music, which is Rap thats not the same as it use to be and thats OK

Theres room for all forms of Hip Hop music to flourish: Trap, Drill, Bounce, Rap, Mumble Rap, etc. 

Y'all just need to stop being extra with this Hip Hop is dead talk 

 

 

[AWOKEN CHARISMA]

True school hip hop
(In terms of lyrics)is on life support.
Imo there aint no room for Trap ,drill,mumble or whatever this trash is currently plaguing the air waves.
As a culture in terms of music theres no evolution, rather a state of devolving, In turn dumbs down the culture.
S#!* is sickening to see what its become.

 

[danikerhino]

Conscience artists are out here. Folks just don't wanna look past the radio

I was referring more to mainstream hip hop since it has more a cultural impact compared to underground rap.

 

[tay1]

Conscious rap hasn't been a mainstream staple for pretty much 20 years.

Also artist's like Kendrick and Cole show that there is still an interest in it

 

[danikerhino]

Conscious rap hasn't been a mainstream staple for pretty much 20 years.

Also artist's like Kendrick and Cole show that there is still an interest in it

Common, Kanye , Kwali, Lupe, The Roots all had mainstream exposure not to mention those that were fringe R&B/rap back then. Now it's just Cole and Lamar and arguably Kendrick is the only one getting spins on the radio for an extended period of time. Conscience rappers were more in the forefront at the time.

 

[wavycrocket]

Hip hop is in a GREAT space right now.

2017 has been an amazing year for albums.

Ross
Drake
2 Chainz
Lucci
Joey Badassss
Kendrick
Migos
Future
Gucci
Kodak
Rae Sremmurd
Gibs
Wale

All dropped dope projects. And that's just naming a few. Songs are charting again. And we got new areas popping up with their own sounds.

Detroit Rap Scene. Baltimore Rap scene. Oakland rap scene. New York resurgsnce. Etc.

 

[SoleByThePound]

Hip hop/Rap is dead in my opinion.

Your opinion is trash.

 

[Tigron]

Rap is dead as ****. It's trash. I rarely listen to new Rap. I mostly listen to R&B and old Rap.

How you gonna say rap is dead, then say you listen to R&B, which is all but defunct?

Your opinion is trash.

This. People who are quick to pronounce hip-hop is dead are usually fringe listeners who were drawn in by a certain era/sound and couldn't hang when the music evolved. Odds are if you don't listen to hip-hop now, you were probably only passively listening to begin with.

 

[niketalk1982]

How you gonna say rap is dead, then say you listen to R&B, which is all but defunct?
This. People who are quick to pronounce hip-hop is dead are usually fringe listeners who were drawn in by a certain era/sound and couldn't hang when the music evolved. Odds are if you don't listen to hip-hop now, you were probably only passively listening to begin with.

Did you read this before you typed it?

I'm 30 and I'm from the Lower East Side, I live Hip Hop. Been listening to Hip Hop all my life. 

I listened to mad R&B when I was younger but I listen to more and more R&B because...............you guessed it, Hip Hop is dead. The same flows, beats, looks and even groupies.

 

[SoleByThePound]

Did you read this before you typed it?

I'm 30 and I'm from the Lower East Side, I live Hip Hop. Been listening to Hip Hop all my life. 

I listened to mad R&B when I was younger but I listen to more and more R&B because...............you guessed it, Hip Hop is dead. The same flows, beats, looks and even groupies.

People need to stop using the term Hip Hop when they are specifically speaking about rap music. The truth of the matter is all of you who make this absurd claim do so by using what's in the mainstream as your declaration. If you're basing your musical example by the mainstream, you've already lost. It's rare that quality rap music has crossed over to the mainstream in the last 25 years. As we get older we become stagnant in our musical choices, we stop putting the effort into discovering new artist like we did in our teens and twenties. There was an actual study conducted that proved the average age someone stops listening to new music/artist is at the age of 32. Now when it comes to Rap, it's lost it's steam for a lot of you because you no longer relate to the youth of right now, even if you're over the age of 23; you're a dinosaur in the current wave. This doesn't constitute that Hip Hop is dead, it's a reflection of you. The mainstream has always been garbage, it's not called Hip Pop for no reason. What you hear on the radio is disposable Rap, fast food music if you will. You'd be ******* amazed if you actually got off of your lazy ***** and sought out the great music that's being created by young artist. You guys don't have time for that and would rather complain like some ******* and shout Hip Hop is dead, clowns.

 

[6pac]

"its rare that quality rap music has made it to the mainstream in the last 25 years?"

what lol?

and you specifically chose a cut off date of the beginning of what many people would call the golden era lol

 

[Peep Game]

Conscious rap hasn't been a mainstream staple for pretty much 20 years.

Also artist's like Kendrick and Cole show that there is still an interest in it

Common, Kanye , Kwali, Lupe, The Roots all had mainstream exposure not to mention those that were fringe R&B/rap back then. Now it's just Cole and Lamar and arguably Kendrick is the only one getting spins on the radio for an extended period of time. Conscience rappers were more in the forefront at the time.

There was a great balance of rap during that time, both mainstream and underground. The shift away from that balance was probably around 2006.

 

[SoleByThePound]

"its rare that quality rap music has made it to the mainstream in the last 25 years?"

what lol?

and you specifically chose a cut off date of the beginning of what many people would call the golden era lol

The Golden Era was 1986-1994, some have argued 1995. I was in college in 1995 and unlike almost every one of you in here; I lived through and witnessed the entire Golden Era. What was created during that Era wasn't mainstream by any stretch of the imagination. Yo MTV Raps (1988-1995) was the catalyst for our culture and music to cross over. MTV didn't make Rap music its primary music until 2000, which if you know your history was considered the Bling Era. The Golden Era was long gone by the time the music was completely mainstream. This is the period where you start keeping score of quality music having commercial success. I never said that all Rap music in the last 25 years was trash; I said that it was rare that quality Rap had made it to the mainstream.

Some of you are mistaken if you think there was a good balance between commercial and conscious Rap in the mainstream. The truth is "you" were listening to those artist during their run. Let's not pretend that conscious artist were ever as popular as commercial artist in the mainstream, nor has there ever been a non-lopsided balance since the music went commercial. There have always been conscious artist in this culture, they just don't get the recognition they deserve because their message isn't about "cash, clothes and ****", which has always been the remedial topic a mainstream artist stays stuck on. Now as I stated in my previous post, there are a lot of young conscious artist today that are making great music (with the exception of Kendrick and Cole who are in the mainstream), which is why the whole Rap is dead claim is absurd.

 

[numbah1grimey]

The Golden Era was 1986-1994, some have argued 1995. I was in college in 1995 and unlike almost every one of you in here; I lived through and witnessed the entire Golden Era. What was created during that Era wasn't mainstream by any stretch of the imagination. Yo MTV Raps (1988-1995) was the catalyst for our culture and music to cross over. MTV didn't make Rap music its primary music until 2000, which if you know your history was considered the Bling Era. The Golden Era was long gone by the time the music was completely mainstream. This is the period where you start keeping score of quality music having commercial success. I never said that all Rap music in the last 25 years was trash; I said that it was rare that quality Rap had made it to the mainstream.

Some of you are mistaken if you think there was a good balance between commercial and conscious Rap in the mainstream. The truth is "you" were listening to those artist during their run. Let's not pretend that conscious artist were ever as popular as commercial artist in the mainstream, nor has there ever been a non-lopsided balance since the music went commercial. There have always been conscious artist in this culture, they just don't get the recognition they deserve because their message isn't about "cash, clothes and ****", which has always been the remedial topic a mainstream artist stays stuck on. Now as I stated in my previous post, there are a lot of young conscious artist today that are making great music (with the exception of Kendrick and Cole who are in the mainstream), which is why the whole Rap is dead claim is absurd.

...."Mind playing tricks on me" was 1991, "Dear Mama, Keep Your head up, Shed so many tears, etc" was 1992, 93, 95. Fugees and Nas ran 1996. Outkast ran 1998-2000... All of these songs/musicians were conscious and MAINSTREAM acts. Dude, you aren't making any sense. I'm 29 (was 7 years old in 1995). I remember the scope of music vividly. Heck "Crossroads" was probably the biggest song in 1995. Bone Thugs performed at the MTV music awards that year. Hip Hop with substance was always #1. Gimmicks like MC Hammer were seen just as that, gimmick rapping.

So, how was "quality" rap music rare in mainstream? That is a bold faced lie

 

[SoleByThePound]

...."Mind playing tricks on me" was 1991, "Dear Mama, Keep Your head up, Shed so many tears, etc" was 1992, 93, 95. Fugees and Nas ran 1996. Outkast ran 1998-2000... All of these songs/musicians were conscious and MAINSTREAM acts. Dude, you aren't making any sense. I'm 29 (was 7 years old in 1995). I remember the scope of music vividly. Heck "Crossroads" was probably the biggest song in 1995. Bone Thugs performed at the MTV music awards that year. Hip Hop with substance was always #1. Gimmicks like MC Hammer were seen just as that, gimmick rapping.

Your reading and comprehension needs a tune up my man. What part of " It's rare that quality rap music has crossed over to the mainstream in the last 25 years." don't you get? You named a handful of artist that were able to cross over to the mainstream, hence the use of the word rare. You're acting like there was a good balance, which there was never anything close to a once Rap went commercial. A lot of artist that you liked and enjoyed during those years weren't necessarily considered mainstream in the industry.

 

[6pac]

yeah bruh lost me.

seems to me he just doesnt like the cm, puffy, no limit era that dominated the second half of the 90's

sounds like to me you just dont consider non conscious rap to be able to have redeeming qualities

 

[SoleByThePound]

yeah bruh lost me.

seems to me he just doesnt like the cm, puffy, no limit era that dominated the second half of the 90's

sounds like to me you just dont consider non conscious rap to be able to have redeeming qualities

I don't, all of those artist you named are trash imo. None of those artist have ever contributed anything of quality nor do any of them have a classic album in their catalogue. They were the disposable Rap music makers, which is why they made commercial music for the fast food listening consumer. There were a lot of great artist that were around during that time who weren't given shine because they didn't confirm to the commercial sound.

 

[Peep Game]

lol

 

[6pac]

ready 2 die
harlem world
money power respect
life after death
no way out

all classics puff was the orchestrator/ringleader of

even tho i presume youre gonna take out harlem world and no way out because they have no semblance of consciousness to them.

no limit had guys like soulja slim and much like people are marginalizing kodak right now for his lingo and beat choice...cash money and no limit had some very conscious songs.

people gotta stop sleeping on southern rappers because they sound a certain way.