If true, Mangini needs to go and never get another job...

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[h2]Sources: Rookie hurt without pads[/h2]

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Two Thursdays ago, Browns rookie running back James Davis aggravated a shoulderinjury and suffered a torn labrum that now will require surgery in Alabama this week with Dr. James Andrews.

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How Davis was injured is the question swirling around the league.

Two witnesses to the incident from within the Browns organization said Davis injured his shoulder in a post-practice drill in which he was not wearing padsand the linebacker that plowed into him was. Three other NFL sources corroborated the witnesses' account.

A Browns spokesman said Saturday it is not true.

Once he denied the events, the sources were contacted Saturday for a second time -- some for a third or fourth -- and asked about the incident again.

Each repeated the same details. Davis was injured during a pass blocking drill in what Cleveland calls a post-practice "opportunity period" when aBrowns linebacker in pads "got frisky" and "trucked" Davis, who was not in pads.

The NFL has been aware of this incident and has been looking into it, a league spokesman said this weekend.

News of the accident filtered to Washington last week. The NFL Players Association called it "an outrage." It wanted to file a grievance about theincident, and still might.

However, an NFLPA source said Davis is extremely hesitant to do this out of fear for his job and without his support it could be difficult to generate acase.

It also is uncertain what the NFLPA could grieve if the Browns pay Davis his full $310,000 base salary and try not to pay him the $215,000 on his splitcontract. But even if the issue were to fade away, the NFLPA is going to do what it can to make sure it doesn't.

"This is an outrage," said a high-ranking NFLPA source. "We have a no-pads rule for offseason activities. We've never seen a need to havea rule that if some guy has on pads, he can't take on a guy without pads. The commissioner's office needs to look into this."

A sixth-round pick from Clemson, Davis initially injured his shoulder during the Browns' season-opening loss to the Minnesota Vikings. But it was not severe enough for him to miss any time until he aggravated it and torehis labrum in the days leading up to Cleveland's game against Cincinnati.

Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider.

why did this soundlike a good idea at all for Mangenius???
 
He was good the first year...I think Josh McDaniels will do the same. Good the first year than flat out suck. Both going to Belichick and beg for their jobsback.
 
Most overrated coach in football...and whoever jumped on the bandwagon after one decent season with the Jets to call this guy 'Mangenius' needs to beshot.
 
But James Davis is from Clemson.
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Side Note: my dude could have been starting right now but he decided to stay in college another year.
 
this falls on both davis and the coaches...unless they told him to jump in its on both of them.
 
Originally Posted by THE FAME

But James Davis is from Clemson.
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Side Note: my dude could have been starting right now but he decided to stay in college another year.
What does that mean?

And yeah, he should've declared early. OL made him look bad last year and he didn't do anything impressive at the combines...but no way he deserved todrop to the 6th round. He was looking real good in preseason getting most of the carries for the Browns, odd thing is that he also had shoulder issuesthroughout college.
 
It's a drill that is run after practice.

That the coaches know about.

And they were probably there.

How is Mangina NOT involved?

This isn't individuals where JD got hurt.
 
Originally Posted by outacontrol music

Where does Mangini come into any of this?






This appears to be a poor decision by two players after practice.

are you that big of a homer?
 
Some of you dudes sound like you never played organized football.



Players stick around after practice all the time to work on their craft.


QBs to WRs

RBs and LBs

They are normally mature enough to operate without a coach standing over them...
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I highly doubt this was a coach supervised drill
 
Ahhhh yes, the old "You must've never played football before" argument.

We ain't talking about post snap reads.

We're talking about something that the team calls "Opportunity period".

Which is obviously not something that players simply undertake on a whim. It's something that the organization knows about.
 
Originally Posted by ddot7

Originally Posted by THE FAME

But James Davis is from Clemson.
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Side Note: my dude could have been starting right now but he decided to stay in college another year.
What does that mean?

And yeah, he should've declared early. OL made him look bad last year and he didn't do anything impressive at the combines...but no way he deserved to drop to the 6th round. He was looking real good in preseason getting most of the carries for the Browns, odd thing is that he also had shoulder issues throughout college.

Nothing. Just a random shot at Clemson.
 
Originally Posted by dreClark

Ahhhh yes, the old "You must've never played football before" argument.

We ain't talking about post snap reads.

We're talking about something that the team calls "Opportunity period".

Which is obviously not something that players simply undertake on a whim. It's something that the organization knows about.

1. I said it SOUNDS like people haven't played ball.


2. Opportunity period sounds like a facy word for "we'll leave the facility/field available for post-practice work"




Fact is, we don't have the facts, yet people are blindly crucifying Mangini. I'll be the first to tell you, I can't stand the way dude operates,but I also can tell when people who love to hate on him, jump on any opportunity.
 
[h1]Cleveland Browns cleared of wrongdoing in James Davis injury case[/h1] [h4]By Mary Kay Cabot[/h4] [h5]October 23, 2009, 4:58PM[/h5]
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Associated PressThe Browns were cleared of any wrongdoing in the injury of running back James Davis.

BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns were cleared this evening of any wrongdoing in the injury saga of rookie running back James Davis.

An NFL spokesman said in an email: "After reviewing video of the practice session and interviewing Cleveland Browns players, coaches and team staff, the NFL determined the injury sustained by running back James Davis occurred in a controlled environment and the Browns did not violate any league policies.''

ESPN.com had reported that Davis suffered a torn labrum in a post-practice pass blocking drill when a linebacker who was wearing pads hit an unpadded Davis. The linebacker was later learned to be Blake Costanzo. Davis underwent surgery to repair the torn labrum and is on injured reserve for the season. But the Browns maintained all along that they did nothing wrong in the "opportunity drill'' after practice.

Like Davis, Costanzo reportedly had no pads on during the session. espn.com attributed its report to several eyewitnesses and other NFL sources who corroborated the report. Browns coach Eric Mangini stressed all along 'that we feel good about where we're at.''












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@ everybody in this thread who ASSumed
 
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