Israel declares War - Destruction of Gaza / Growing conflict in Middle East

[ahat]

Man u must live under a rock.

Well heres a good update for you

He's trolling.

 

[John Wick]

He's trolling.

smh

 

[rexanglorum]

When you feel despair, do not succumb to it. The Zionists want you to do just that.

 

[John Wick]

man them settlers wild in the west bank smh

Settlers reportedly shoot two Palestinians, torch cars in latest West Bank attacks

Man and boy hospitalized after perpetrators said to descend from Yitzhar, fire shots, throw stones and clash with Palestinian residents in Asira al-Qibliya

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[smedroc]

Not to sound like a downer but only 1.8% of Israeli population thinks “too much force” is being used in Gaza. About half think MORE force should be used.

These protestors are a tiny tiny part of their society.

The smaller the minority the more respect I have for them standing on it.

 

[John Wick]

Bernie dropping the truth right here one of the reasons why he could never be president the powers that be were against him and he folded.

 

[DripNick]

Rafah

 

[rexanglorum]

For Zionists, stealing land isn’t enough.

 

[flyeed]

 

[DLF]

Remember guys. Trump will be worse.

 

[rexanglorum]

If they could get away with it, Zionists would treat all of us like they treat Palestinians.

How do I know? Zionist are always pulling stunts like this. And for every time they successfully harm an American, they have made dozens of other attempts. Zionists are relentless.

Zionists are a major threat to our civil rights and civil liberties and they must be stopped and destroyed.

 

[gry60]

Egypt Is Building a Wall Near Gaza Border but Won’t Say Why

Amid fears about displaced Palestinians massing at the border with Gaza, Egyptian officials have disclosed little about a new construction project.

www.nytimes.com

Like I said on Oct 7th, Hamas really ****ed up.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

Egypt Is Building a Wall Near Gaza Border but Won’t Say Why

Amid fears about displaced Palestinians massing at the border with Gaza, Egyptian officials have disclosed little about a new construction project.

www.nytimes.com

Like I said on Oct 7th, Hamas really ****ed up.

Was Egypt a welcoming ally to Palestine pre 10/7?

 

[gry60]

Was Egypt a welcoming ally to Palestine pre 10/7?

There are tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Egypt.

As to the direct reasons why Egyptians don't want to harbor more Palestinian refugees:

Despite an official ban on public protests, Egyptians have turned out in numbers to rally in support of Palestinians in Gaza. Sisi himself said in October that he rejects Palestinians being displaced, saying it could forever undermine the push for Palestinian statehood. "The Palestinian cause is the mother of all causes and has a significant impact on security and stability," he said.
It's a position popular with many Egyptians and others in the Arab world, who are sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians in Israel.

Egypt, which already hosts 9 million refugees, according to U.N. figures, has repeatedly insisted an exodus of besieged Palestinians will not be allowed. Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry has called the prospect "totally unacceptable."

Shoukry, speaking last week to the Washington, D.C.-based Atlantic Council, noted the "unprecedented level of human suffering" in Gaza. He said transferring Gazans to Egyptian territory would be a violation of international humanitarian law and "an effort to liquidate the Palestinian cause."

Imad Harb, director of research and analysis at the Arab Center Washington DC, says Sisi's standing with ordinary Egyptians "has actually been bolstered by the position that he has taken in the war."

Members of the Israeli government have discussed the resettlement of Gazans and even proposed to other Arab leaders. They all turned it down for now because the US is not trying to force their hand. With a Republican administration, however, you have no guarantee that this won't happen. After all, they invited BIbi to speak to Congress under Obama (when the Iran deal was being negotiated), they supported the official recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and stayed silent on the WB settlements.

There's another motive in the mix, says Uzi Rabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies in Tel Aviv. Security concerns for Egypt are paramount. Sisi's rivals in the Muslim Brotherhood briefly led Egypt before he took power around a decade ago, and in the 1980s Hamas emerged as an offshoot of the group. Islamists still pose a threat to Sisi's rule, and Egypt is also battling Islamist insurgents in Sinai, just across the Gaza border.

"What you get in Sinai is a splinter of ISIS," Rabi says, referring to the Islamic State militant group. He describes those operating in Sinai as "a cocktail of Islamic radicalism, terrorism ... arms smuggling and all that stuff."

What role will Egypt play in the Mideast crisis?​

The fear for some is that militants may escape into Egypt from Gaza. And if Hamas were to launch attacks on Israel from Sinai, then the concern becomes that Israel could retaliate with strikes inside Egypt.

What makes the second reason relevant is the long history of Palestinian militants using neighboring countries as operating bases against Israel, which has sparked significant events in the region (Lebanese civil war, Black September). Egypt has gone to war with Israel for the Palestinian cause and lost the Sinai as a result.

Remember guys. Trump will be worse.

Trump already showed us what he thinks of Palestinians with the Abraham Accords.

One thing people must realize is that when it comes to foreign policy, your choice of president matters a lot. When learning about the Haitian revolution, we are not taught that the position of the US on the conflict changed with the white house going from John Adams (anti-slavery) to Thomas Jefferson:

The beginning of the Federalist administration of President John Adams signaled a change in policy. Adams was resolutely anti-slavery and felt no need to aid white forces in St. Domingue. He was also concerned that L’Ouverture would choose to pursue a policy of state-supported piracy like that of the Barbary States. Lastly, St. Domingue’s trade had partially rebounded, and Adams wished to preserve trade links with the colony. Consequently, Adams decided to provide aid to L’Ouverture against his British-supported rivals. This situation was complicated by the Quasi-War with France—L’Ouverture continued to insist that St. Domingue was a French colony even as he pursued an independent foreign policy.

Under President Thomas Jefferson’s presidency, the United States cut off aid to L’Ouverture and instead pursued a policy to isolate Haiti, fearing that the Haitian revolution would spread to the United States.

Milestones: 1784–1800 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

Adams then got word of the offer and concluded he had to do something. Within six months, the United States and Saint-Domingue entered into a treaty that reopened trade.

But Adams did more than that. He had intelligence that the Dominguans had enough strength to win independence from France. So Adams supported Toussaint Louverture with economic aid, arms, munitions and the U.S. Navy.

Louverture then faced a mutiny from Andre Rigaud, his mixed-race rival who controlled the southern part of the island. In the spring of 1800, Adams sent five military vessels — the USS Constitution, USS Boston, USS Connecticut, USS General Greene and USS Norfolk — to Louverture’s aid. It was the U.S. Navy’s first military action on behalf of a foreign ally.

American commanders planned joint operations with their multiracial Dominguan counterparts. They guarded the southern coast and bombarded a port town held by Rigaud.

The Navy brass also did something unusual: placed U.S. ships and crews under Dominguan command. White U.S. Naval officers dined with black Dominguan officers, finding themselves in the racial minority.

newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/john-adams-supports-toussaint-louverture-horrifies-jefferson/

 

[DLF]

There are tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Egypt.

As to the direct reasons why Egyptians don't want to harbor more Palestinian refugees:





Members of the Israeli government have discussed the resettlement of Gazans and even proposed to other Arab leaders. They all turned it down for now because the US is not trying to force their hand. With a Republican administration, however, you have no guarantee that this won't happen. After all, they invited BIbi to speak to Congress under Obama (when the Iran deal was being negotiated), they supported the official recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and stayed silent on the WB settlements.



What makes the second reason relevant is the long history of Palestinian militants using neighboring countries as operating bases against Israel, which has sparked significant events in the region (Lebanese civil war, Black September). Egypt has gone to war with Israel for the Palestinian cause and lost the Sinai as a result.


Trump already showed us what he thinks of Palestinians with the Abraham Accords.

One thing people must realize is that when it comes to foreign policy, your choice of president matters a lot. When learning about the Haitian revolution, we are not taught that the position of the US on the conflict changed with the white house going from John Adams (anti-slavery) to Thomas Jefferson:

Milestones: 1784–1800 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/john-adams-supports-toussaint-louverture-horrifies-jefferson/

Right. Biden has incredible foreign policy

Zero wars under his watch.

Gaza thriving. Ukraine about to take the lead in Europe as a utopia for tech.

 

[Belgium]

Bernie dropping the truth right here one of the reasons why he could never be president the powers that be were against him and he folded.

At the end of the day the voters were against him. I would've liked to see him win but progressives tend to grossly overestimate the appeal of not necessarily the policies or views but the electability of a progressive president. Even with Biden's past on segregation, the '94 crime bill etc, black voters overwhelmingly chose him over Sanders.

 

[DLF]

 

[gry60]

Right. Biden has incredible foreign policy

Zero wars under his watch.

Gaza thriving. Ukraine about to take the lead in Europe as a utopia for tech.

Between the two candidates, he's the only one talking about accelerating a two-state solution.

It would be a shame to go from that to a GOP white house using this conflict to rescind the citizenship of every non-US born Palestinian American.

And you know Trump would do it.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

There are tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Egypt.

As to the direct reasons why Egyptians don't want to harbor more Palestinian refugees:





Members of the Israeli government have discussed the resettlement of Gazans and even proposed to other Arab leaders. They all turned it down for now because the US is not trying to force their hand. With a Republican administration, however, you have no guarantee that this won't happen. After all, they invited BIbi to speak to Congress under Obama (when the Iran deal was being negotiated), they supported the official recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and stayed silent on the WB settlements.



What makes the second reason relevant is the long history of Palestinian militants using neighboring countries as operating bases against Israel, which has sparked significant events in the region (Lebanese civil war, Black September). Egypt has gone to war with Israel for the Palestinian cause and lost the Sinai as a result.


Trump already showed us what he thinks of Palestinians with the Abraham Accords.

One thing people must realize is that when it comes to foreign policy, your choice of president matters a lot. When learning about the Haitian revolution, we are not taught that the position of the US on the conflict changed with the white house going from John Adams (anti-slavery) to Thomas Jefferson:

Milestones: 1784–1800 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/john-adams-supports-toussaint-louverture-horrifies-jefferson/

Egypt is No longer an ally?

 

[gry60]

Egypt is No longer an ally?

Do Egyptians see themselves as allies of Palestine? Do Palestinians see Egyptians as allies? Do both entities agree on how they define "ally"?

"Countries don't have friends; they have interests," and each action they carry out comes with benefits and costs. Ignoring the costs (or weighing them incorrectly) tends to lead to unfavorable outcomes (see Hamas).

Long story short, there isn't a simple yes/no answer to your question.

 

[DLF]

 

[DLF]

 

[DLF]

 

[DLF]

The real victims are the Israelis I guess

 

[me love nutella]

Do Egyptians see themselves as allies of Palestine? Do Palestinians see Egyptians as allies? Do both entities agree on how they define "ally"?

"Countries don't have friends; they have interests," and each action they carry out comes with benefits and costs. Ignoring the costs (or weighing them incorrectly) tends to lead to unfavorable outcomes (see Hamas).

Long story short, there isn't a simple yes/no answer to your question.

We touched on this before...

Most of the Arab states were placed with leaders that are loyal or more to the interest of the imperial powers when they carved it up.

If you are not an actual ally, eventually there's regime change of they assassinate you.

Never just look at the surface or what they say, follow the trail and follow the money.

It's interesting you see it as Hamas messed up when many other commentators and analysts see this as a checkmate for Hamas.

This was already all planned and in the works, and Israel was already going to take over Gaza completely to decimate it. What Hamas did was put them on blast and put many obstacles in their way.