Kanye West $53 Million in Debt ... "Mark Zuckerberg HELP !!

[stillin729]

Kanye slashing prices by 2/3rd's for Yeezy Season 2

At this rate H&M gearing up to exclusively sell Season 4

 

[trynafeelmink]

Kanye slashing prices by 2/3rd's for Yeezy Season 2

At this rate H&M gearing up to exclusively sell Season 4

You do know that his intent from the beginning was to make the line eventually be available at a H&M price level right?

 

[stillin729]

You do know that his intent from the beginning was to make the line eventually be available at a H&M price level right?

yeah because if fools actually paid the prices he was asking for Season 1 then he would just drop prices for following seasons

Kanye strives to be there with the Louis Vuittons of the world but he wants it given to him, he doesn't want to put in the blood, sweat and tears

 

[trynafeelmink]

Yohji Yamamoto?

You are fully lost son.

You're talking about collaborations with established brands and I'm talking about HIS brand.

Most of his stuff sells pretty well huh?

http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/01/15/kanye-west-yeezy-season-1-sale/

They must be talking out the side of their mouth too?

Oh, so social media is a tool that major corporations follow to help keep track of brand interest? Sure. But I'd say SALES supersede that by far Because that's what actually provides overhead.

But that's the point you're missing. The social media hype is the fairy tale. The sales are the reality. That's why 1500 album streams = one sale.
That's why 100 MILLION TLOP streams would equal 66,000 albums. Because what happens on the internet isn't really indicative of what happens in the real world.

The major influence on 10-15-20, maybe 50, maybe 100k people he has is minor when you look at the population.

That shoe, even if it was influenced by him, isn't keeping Zara afloat.

I didn't say working with him isn't a good business move. It seems like the companies he REALLY wants to work with believe that though. Hence the rants. Or did those not happen.

If Adidas was fully invested, why is he in debt? Why is he looking for more funding from other parties? Why are we in this thread?

So every "big artist, celeb etc." was at that show. That's what 50 Cent is now? Besides GOOD Music, who's in there?

But you keep harping on social media and celebs and all that other **** while the real world keeps spinning. Let's harp on renting out MSG, which undoubtedly sunk him further into debt (you don't even make money selling out MSG at top ticket prices unless you do multiple nights).

You're going to see it how you want to see it. Nobody used the term "sheep" or "stan", but if the shoe fits.

My ***** i'm not arguing this anymore

-You say he doesn't have an impact on the fashion world, one of the biggest fashion companies in the world bases a lot of what they sell on trends, that are usually started by what he's wearing.

- you say sales is what matters, his shoes sell out instantly and resell fro 3-4 times the price... you then tell me it's because enough pairs aren't made.

- so we can't use the tangible sales as an indicator, because by your standards it isn't enough, Social media is inherently a good enough platform to view how your brand is perceived and which items are drawing interest, he has the # 1 shoe in that term... you then tell me that isn't tangible either

- we've constantly seen him mention brands that weren't heard of in the hiphop community, a year later it's trickled down and everyone in rap is wearing that brand or a variation of that style

- your talkin about his personal debt as if that somehow has ANYTHING to do with his impact on fashion.

- you've been bumping your gums about how he isn't impactful since Yeesuz it's literally been years and your still here discussing on unimpactful kanye west is in a Kanye west thread

You come off like one of those ****** who still cuffs his jean shorts, and i'm done discussing this with you B.

 

[illphillip]

Can you not read? I don't understand why this is so difficult for you?

Very little of what you're saying pertains to HIS brand. So this uber influential human being can't even sell out the first season of his clothing line? Are those the tangible sales you're talking about?

His personal debt is based on investments in his fashion lines that aren't being recouped.

How can it possibly be this difficult for you to grasp this?

Be real. You just don't want to. You want to believe in the unicorn.

See, you believe we're talking about Kanye. But I believe we're talking about business. And unfortunately for you, the conversation we're having is firmly grounded in business.

Keep talking like you know me. Make those feeble attempts to deflect the truth.

Tell yourself whatever you need to to justify what you believe. That ain't gonna make it so

 

[trynafeelmink]

For the others in here who don't like to read... don't be fooled by the headlines, Yeezy season seemed to actually have sold really well

That one article expresses how some yeezy prices have dropped and went on sale ( You know similar to how Gucci, Burberry, Lanvin, Margiela, Givenchy and any other high end brand with $1'000 + items usually puts items on sale)

found this from another article http://hypetrak.com/2016/01/kanye-wests-yeezy-season-1-has-hit-sale-racks/

stores like Farfetch, Notre, Barneys and End. have discounted YEEZY items such as its
Undestroyed Sweater (from $1,560 USD to 1,092 USD),
KW Leather Backpack (From $780 USD to $546 USD),
and Nylon Bomber (from $2,080 USD $1,456 USD).

Now if you look at another article that interviewed buyers from these same stores (which for some reason wasn't posted when talking sales) you get a more in depth look on how sales are really going. http://www.highsnobiety.com/2015/11/05/yeezy-season-1-sales/

Given the hype around the collection since its debut at fashion week, we knew it would perform well – and it has,” SSENSE menswear buying manager Federico Barassi told us. “As expected, the highest demand was for the YEEZY Boost 950 which we sold out of almost immediately. One week later, we continue to see steady sell-through on the ready-to-wear pieces

We couldn’t be happier with the results,” Daniel Todd, buyer at MR PORTER related. “We sold the majority of the collection on the first day. Based on the previous success of the footwear we knew it would do well, however the collection performed even better than we imagined.

The luxury retailer also reported lightning-quick sell through for the collection’s tees and footwear, and while YEEZY Season 1’s outerwear prices came with eye-watering high-price tags, that doesn’t seem to have deterred MR PORTER’s wealthy clientele. “The more expensive pieces like the shearling did amazingly well too and weren’t far behind in terms of sales,” Todd told us, adding that they saw pretty consistent performance across all categories – with just a few jersey pieces and backpacks remaining at the time of writing.

Retailers we spoke to off the record all shared similar sentiments, citing quick turnaround on the drop’s camo tees and footwear, followed by the oversized hoodies and crewnecks. Such quick sell-through for a full collection – and an expensive one at that – in just one week is pretty astounding, although given the prestige attached to YEEZY Season 1, we imagine distribution was kept pretty tight.

“There’s no guarantee with anything but we’re hoping to see a successful second season,” Todd told us, adding, “the fast sell-through of the first season should fuel demand for more, keeping that momentum going.”

So based off reading this combo of both articles, it safe to say the line performed well, a vast majority of it sold out quickly... and a few of the higher priced pieces were leftover and marked down.. the exact same thing most notable designers go through..

 

[flesh prince]

How did you not understand what I typed when it was clear as day?

Easily?

Who had the biggest song of 2014? And was lead vocalist on a song that was #1 for 13 weeks in 2013?

Who is on a popular TV show in the US every week?

I know kids like to say **** just to say ****, but I like things like tangible information before I just throw superlatives out there.

Of course Kanye has brought attention to the brand. That's what he does best now. Attention.

But if you read what I wrote and understood, everything still stands. I'm responding to an article that mentions an uptick in Stan Smiths and Shelltoes. So.....

Come on now.

To the younger crowd that prides themselves on dressing "fly" or w/e

Ye definitely brought more to the table

But I forgot about Pharrell being on The Voice

He probably is more influential to mainstream America

Sidenote: I'm tired of post-Happy Pharrell I want him to drop an album with Neptunes beats or some **** like In My Mind 

 

[illphillip]

For the others in here who don't like to read... don't be fooled by the headlines, Yeezy season seemed to actually have sold really well

That one article expresses how some yeezy prices have dropped and went on sale ( You know similar to how Gucci, Burberry, Lanvin, Margiela, Givenchy and any other high end brand with $1'000 + items usually puts items on sale)

found this from another article http://hypetrak.com/2016/01/kanye-wests-yeezy-season-1-has-hit-sale-racks/

stores like Farfetch, Notre, Barneys and End. have discounted YEEZY items such as its
Undestroyed Sweater (from $1,560 USD to 1,092 USD),
KW Leather Backpack (From $780 USD to $546 USD),
and Nylon Bomber (from $2,080 USD $1,456 USD).

Now if you look at another article that interviewed buyers from these same stores (which for some reason wasn't posted when talking sales) you get a more in depth look on how sales are really going. http://www.highsnobiety.com/2015/11/05/yeezy-season-1-sales/

Given the hype around the collection since its debut at fashion week, we knew it would perform well – and it has,” SSENSE menswear buying manager Federico Barassi told us. “As expected, the highest demand was for the YEEZY Boost 950 which we sold out of almost immediately. One week later, we continue to see steady sell-through on the ready-to-wear pieces

We couldn’t be happier with the results,” Daniel Todd, buyer at MR PORTER related. “We sold the majority of the collection on the first day. Based on the previous success of the footwear we knew it would do well, however the collection performed even better than we imagined.

The luxury retailer also reported lightning-quick sell through for the collection’s tees and footwear, and while YEEZY Season 1’s outerwear prices came with eye-watering high-price tags, that doesn’t seem to have deterred MR PORTER’s wealthy clientele. “The more expensive pieces like the shearling did amazingly well too and weren’t far behind in terms of sales,” Todd told us, adding that they saw pretty consistent performance across all categories – with just a few jersey pieces and backpacks remaining at the time of writing.

Retailers we spoke to off the record all shared similar sentiments, citing quick turnaround on the drop’s camo tees and footwear, followed by the oversized hoodies and crewnecks. Such quick sell-through for a full collection – and an expensive one at that – in just one week is pretty astounding, although given the prestige attached to YEEZY Season 1, we imagine distribution was kept pretty tight.

“There’s no guarantee with anything but we’re hoping to see a successful second season,” Todd told us, adding, “the fast sell-through of the first season should fuel demand for more, keeping that momentum going.”

So based off reading this combo of both articles, it safe to say the line performed well, a vast majority of it sold out quickly... and a few of the higher priced pieces were leftover and marked down.. the exact same thing most notable designers go through..

Word. Don't be fooled by the headlines.

Go to SSense right now and see with your own eyes how many items are still available from Season 1 and ask yourself if that looks like the work of an uber influential individual or if it's kind of what "most notable designers go through".

https://www.ssense.com/en-us/men/designers/yeezy-season-1

 

[trynafeelmink]

Word. Don't be fooled by the headlines.

Go to SSense right now and see with your own eyes how many items are still available from Season 1 and ask yourself if that looks like the work of an uber influential individual or if it's kind of what "most notable designers go through".

https://www.ssense.com/en-us/men/designers/yeezy-season-1

I see the same amount of items i see for Rick Owens, Alexander Wang, Balmain, Margiela, Alexander Mcqueen and any other Brand that charges 300+ for t-shirts and up to 2000+ for coats... Entire collections dont just sell out at that price point.

So by your logic none of those designers are influential in fashion or impactful either.. because they haven't completely sold out there lines (not to mention these are established brands who have years in)? but let me guess the buyers of some of the biggest ****** highend websites in the world, stating that the collection was well received and sold well isn't tangible either

 

[cl-1b]

I'm a yey fan but i can't see how you drones can say u like that season 1 garbage... 

 

[cl-1b]

your not getting any buns wearing that 

 

[flesh prince]

 
your not getting any buns wearing that 

there's not much outside the boots that i'd wear from the collection either

but imagine...wearing clothes to get ***** instead of just being a fly ***** 

 

[illphillip]

Word. Don't be fooled by the headlines.

Go to SSense right now and see with your own eyes how many items are still available from Season 1 and ask yourself if that looks like the work of an uber influential individual or if it's kind of what "most notable designers go through".

https://www.ssense.com/en-us/men/designers/yeezy-season-1

I see the same amount of items i see for Rick Owens, Alexander Wang, Balmain, Margiela, Alexander Mcqueen and any other Brand that charges 300+ for t-shirts and up to 2000+ for coats... Entire collections dont just sell out at that price point.

So by your logic none of those designers are influential in fashion or impactful either.. because they haven't completely sold out there lines (not to mention these are established brands who have years in)? but let me guess the buyers of some of the biggest ****** highend websites in the world, stating that the collection was well received and sold well isn't tangible either

So you're really going to say "don't be fooled by the headlines" then place all of your stock in some fluff quotes from buyers?

So now we're going to say that every designer with a fairly notable brand is "influential" and "impactful"? They're all influential and impactful?

Of course those designers are influential and impactful. What they've accomplished has spanned decades. They've received awards and accolades for their designs.

Kind of like Kanye has......for music. That's not to say he COULDN'T get to their level as a designer over time.

But the fact that you're using the same dialogue for those guys for a guy who's 3 seasons in, with a questionable degree of success, who'd publicly discussing his debt and frustration in finding investors is laughable. But I guess you really are that delusional.

 

[cl-1b]

 
there's not much outside the boots that i'd wear from the collection either

but imagine...wearing clothes to get ***** instead of just being a fly ***** 

Im fly for me.. but i want to attract women as well.. Looking like a homeless bum in winter time isn't appealing. I don't buy it 

 

[trynafeelmink]

So you're really going to say "don't be fooled by the headlines" then place all of your stock in some fluff quotes from buyers?

So now we're going to say that every designer with a fairly notable brand is "influential" and "impactful"? They're all influential and impactful?

Of course those designers are influential and impactful. What they've accomplished has spanned decades. They've received awards and accolades for their designs.

Kind of like Kanye has......for music. That's not to say he COULDN'T get to their level over time.

But the fact that you're using the same dialogue for those guys for a guy who's 3 seasons in, with a questionable degree of success, who'd publicly discussing his debt and frustration in finding investors is laughable. But I guess you really are that delusional.

That fluff came from the same website you posted that contained the "kanye isn't selling article" (Which was a headline grab). when you read that story it's simply letting you know some of Ye's designs haven't sold out and have hit sales, no different from any other prominent designer.

You then use that same article, from that same website and blab on about how unimpactful he is because the headline states he didn't sell. I grab another article which interviews the head buyers at renown web retailors, they say they are impressed with the way the items are selling and the feedback, but now this is fluff.

I claimed Kanye is impactful in fashion you disagreed...

We have established that his shoes sell out every time, the buyers established that the collection sold well, we have established that he has the most talked about sneaker on social media, we have established that Major corporations find him so influential in fashion that there selling knockoff versions of the yeezy's in Zara, & yet somehow you still want to argue that he's not impactful in fashion.

The sales say otherwise, the buyers say otherwise, millions of social media hits say other wise, fashion mags say otherwise..... and yet somehow in you conjure up that none of this = impact..

every stupid thing you've posted in here has been disproved time and time again, and yet you continue to lean on your ramblings and no facts. Do Better.

 

[PRIME]

Tears

 

[stillin729]

I'm a yey fan but i can't see how you drones can say u like that season 1 garbage... 

Looks like something out of the homeless collection mockery from Zoolander

 

[PRIME]

Them season 1 shoes went hard tho...

 

[illphillip]

So you're really going to say "don't be fooled by the headlines" then place all of your stock in some fluff quotes from buyers?

So now we're going to say that every designer with a fairly notable brand is "influential" and "impactful"? They're all influential and impactful?

Of course those designers are influential and impactful. What they've accomplished has spanned decades. They've received awards and accolades for their designs.

Kind of like Kanye has......for music. That's not to say he COULDN'T get to their level over time.

But the fact that you're using the same dialogue for those guys for a guy who's 3 seasons in, with a questionable degree of success, who'd publicly discussing his debt and frustration in finding investors is laughable. But I guess you really are that delusional.

That fluff came from the same website you posted that contained the "kanye isn't selling article" (Which was a headline grab). when you read that story it's simply letting you know some of Ye's designs haven't sold out and have hit sales, no different from any other prominent designer.

You then use that same article, from that same website and blab on about how unimpactful he is because the headline states he didn't sell. I grab another article which interviews the head buyers at renown web retailors, they say they are impressed with the way the items are selling and the feedback, but now this is fluff.

I claimed Kanye is impactful in fashion you disagreed...

We have established that his shoes sell out every time, the buyers established that the collection sold well, we have established that he has the most talked about sneaker on social media, we have established that Major corporations find him so influential in fashion that there selling knockoff versions of the yeezy's in Zara, & yet somehow you still want to argue that he's not impactful in fashion.

The sales say otherwise, the buyers say otherwise, millions of social media hits say other wise, fashion mags say otherwise..... and yet somehow in you conjure up that none of this = impact..

every stupid thing you've posted in here has been disproved time and time again, and yet you continue to lean on your ramblings and no facts. Do Better.

Right. Except for the fact that all of my rhetoric is supported by clothes still in stores and readily available years later, sale pricing, and by the designer himself crying about his debt and publicly begging for investors. Things you can see with you own eyes. Little things like that where the media isn't involved at all

Go to END Clothing. Prices are the lowest I've seen anywhere. Get yourself something nice.

But feel free to avoid the part where you think an intelligent argument is to compare that to the work of designers who have been performing at a high level for several decades.

You know, the guys who aren't doing those things above. Established, credible, award winning designers with real impact and influence and not celebrity driven hype like "social media activity".

As someone who has actually started his own business, I can tell you that if you have a successful business model, getting funding without spending your own money and going into debt can be done without these antics.

The fact that you still harp on the "the shoes sell out" is so sad. So who is responsible for the influence and impact of Foams? Selling out limited edition shoes is not the accomplishment you make it out to be.

Yet you still want to believe in the unicorn in spite of common sense

 

[stillin729]

Kanye could never get his Pastelle brand off the ground because not a single person with business sense thought it would be successful

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Kanye could never get his Pastelle brand off the ground because not a single person with business sense thought it would be successful

i mean fallacious appeal to authority much?

as if somehow business peoples initial reticence to invest in someones first ideas means that the subsequent ideas are bad.


because we all know the fashion industry is open to new faces and black voices in creative positions.

 

[stillin729]

i mean fallacious appeal to authority much?

as if somehow business peoples initial reticence to invest in someones first ideas means that the subsequent ideas are bad.


because we all know the fashion industry is open to new faces and black voices in creative positions.

Pharrell had no problem launching BBC/Ice Cream

Just more excuses for Yeezy and his genius, he was just ahead of his time I guess

 

[flesh prince]

Kanye could never get his Pastelle brand off the ground because not a single person with business sense thought it would be successful

I think he kinda trashed that on his own because he just started dressing different + the Taylor thing happened and he was out of USA anyways, and that's when he started really putting in his work to learn about the fashion ****.

You're delusional if you think he couldn't have made Pastelle into at least a BBC type line at that time. People would have ate it up.

Also, I think there's misconception about what he's asking Zuckerberg for money for. It has nothing to do with clothes. He wants to do seven screen movie rooms and other random ****. He put a chart on his Twitter when he went on that rant.

Same with the $53 Mill debt, he been putting millions into his own art since the three videos for Jesus Walks, self funding Through The Wire, and Glow In The Dark. It's more than clothes.

 

[onthenephs]

So there are plenty of times I walked in to marshals tj maxx, and saw givenchy and Versace dress shirts. Diesel jeans,All down from 350+ to about 100.

Maybe these outlets handle b grade quality I'm not sure, but I'm sure that items going on sale from a brand does not mean it is not doing well.

Only brand I have ever known in my life to sell, and sell out, season after season is SUPREME. They don't have a Kanye- like spokesman

 

[trynafeelmink]

i mean fallacious appeal to authority much?

as if somehow business peoples initial reticence to invest in someones first ideas means that the subsequent ideas are bad.


because we all know the fashion industry is open to new faces and black voices in creative positions.

I think it's clear as day that certain people in here just don't want to give a man his credit for anything. If we take Kanye's name & celebrity out of this and focused on what's been done in the past 8 years, people would have no problem giving him his just due.

But it's the fact that it is Kanye, It is a insurmountable amount of media coverage, it is him doing things they don't like & no matter how much they say they dislike it... they are glued in to every single move like someone who is a fan.

What they fail to realize is that despite how much they try to downplay what he's done.. the results are still showing and his brand just keeps getting larger and larger.