[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

WHO SHOULD COACH THE LAKERS NEXT SEASON?

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I'll put it this way:

If we trade the #5 pick this draft to Minnesota for Love: we have Love+Kobe for next season. No contender there for 2014-2015. Summer of 2015, resign Love to max, and go after Rondo or Marc and sign one. For 2015-2016 season (Love+Kobe+Rondo or Love+Kobe+Marc), improving...maybe top 4 seed in the West. Summer of 2016, go after Kevin Durant hard and hopefully sign him. 2016-2017 season (Love+Rondo+Durant) or (Love+Marc+Durant) =parade down Figueroa again. Hell maybe Kobe signs a cheap 1 year deal to get that #6.

The keeping of the draft pick is the exact same scenario, we'll just have about 4 mil less to work with in free agency in 2015 and possibly 2016 if we pick up the rookie option.
 
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The keeping of the draft pick is the exact same scenario
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Except you get Love a year later, and already know if the rookie is solid or not.


For 2015-2016 season (Love+Kobe+Rondo or Love+Kobe+Marc), improving...maybe top 4 seed in the West
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:lol:, a 37 year old Kobe, a once repaired 30+ year old Rondo, and Love in his prime, I'm not exactly seein top 4 there, UNLESS, you are including the rookie who in his second year is making leaps and bounds in his progress, then I can dig it.


The 2016-17 plan on Figueroa would be if that rookie was still on the roster. Otherwise, your 3 guys take the entire cap by themselves, with no way to go above or beyond it. If you roughed out 20+ Durant, 20+ Love, and say.....15-16 for Rondo or Marc, that's 55+, give or take a mil. The cap was 58.7 last year, it'll go up a few mil by then, but you have 9-10 spots to fill and maybe 9-10 million in space. (again, give or take on the amounts you have to pay Love-Durant-3rd max)


So I would say, if this is your goal/plan, you should be deadset against trading that pick. Otherwise, it's 3 max deals, and 9 nobodies, with very, very little wiggle room.
 
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I'll put it this way:

If we trade the #5 pick this draft to Minnesota for Love: we have Love+Kobe for next season. No contender there for 2014-2015. Summer of 2015, resign Love to max, and go after Rondo or Marc and sign one. For 2015-2016 season (Love+Kobe+Rondo or Love+Kobe+Marc), improving...maybe top 4 seed in the West. Summer of 2016, go after Kevin Durant hard and hopefully sign him. 2016-2017 season (Love+Rondo+Durant) or (Love+Marc+Durant) =parade down Figueroa again. Hell maybe Kobe signs a cheap 1 year deal to get that #6.

The keeping of the draft pick is the exact same scenario, we'll just have about 4 mil less to work with in free agency in 2015 and possibly 2016 if we pick up the rookie option.
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It's gonna be incredibly hard to build the rest of the roster entirely through FA, let alone with that little money.

The keeping of the draft pick is not the same scenario. It's the same when thinking JUST in terms of stars. But as far as the building of the entire roster, it makes a big difference.
 
My scenario was assuming the rookie was a bust. That's the only reason I even brought it up.
 
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Future NBA stars don't need their college coaches

Another year, another NCAA Tournament where top stars' teams bow out early and their self-serving head coaches try to convince them to delay their professional careers to work for free.

Why would Andrew Wiggins choose to pass up millions of dollars and freedom to work on his game full-time to watch Bill Self screw up another big game with poor schemes?

Why would Tyler Ennis and Jerami Grant choose to listen to a lying, self-serving coach with the most losses to double-digit seeds in NCAA history instead of mock drafts putting them in the first round?

Why would Jabari Parker sign up for another year of being scapegoated by a star system built on guilt, fear and ********?

THE STARS SURE AS HELL DON'T NEED COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

The past four days proved college basketball doesn't need stars to be entertaining. And the stars sure as hell don't need college basketball.

What makes March Madness special isn't necessarily the presence of guys like Wiggins or Parker. Anyone remember Kevin Durant's tournament run? But you do remember the one Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush and Sasha Kaun had. The tournament is about upsets, catching lightning in a bottle and the magic of constant do-or-die situations. How many people dying with every possession as Mercer beat Duke on Friday knew anything about Mercer? We've been following Duke's Parker for years -- NBA fans, college fans and the like -- yet it's Mercer that captivated everyone on Friday, not the phenom wing player.

That speaks to the tournament's power: it doesn't need stars because it can make stars of anyone. It's a brilliant competition. Of the top 14 in DraftExpress' current mock, only three of them -- Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon and Willie Cauley-Stein -- are still in the tournament. And that won't matter one whit to the NCAA, because everyone (myself and loads of NBA partisans included) will be watching Cinderella do her thing.

The NCAA doesn't need the stars, and the stars don't need the NCAA. The tournament can help prospects: Derrick Rose, Mike Conley, Chalmers and Kemba Walker are some of the recent players helped by productive Marches. Carmelo Anthony's title run in 2003 certainly fueled his status as a top-3 pick.

But more often than not, the best NBA players have shrug-worthy or literally nonexistent tournament experiences. The preps-to-pros stars like LeBron, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett and Kobe avoided it altogether. They managed to mature into great NBA players just fine. Durant's college postseason was forgettable. Kyrie Irving came off the bench in one of his three tourney games.

Look at last season's All-NBA team. These are the league's top 15 players. Five (LeBron, Dwight, Kobe, Marc Gasol and Tony Parker) never played a single minute of college basketball. One (Paul George) played college ball, but never made the tournament. Three (James Harden, Kevin Durant and four-year David Lee) played at least one college season without making the Sweet 16. Three (Tim Duncan, Chris Paul and Blake Griffin) played multiple seasons, but didn't advance to the Final Four. One (Dwyane Wade) made a single Final Four; another (Russell Westbrook) made two Final Fours. (He played eight minutes in UCLA's 2007 Final Four loss to Florida. Josh Shipp led the Bruins in scoring. Yeah.) Only one player from last season's All-NBA team, Melo, won an NCAA Tournament.

So, out of the top 15 players in the NBA last season, we have a grand total of one NCAA title, four Final Fours and eight Sweet 16s. Tell me again why we're supposed to be down on Wiggins and Parker? Tell me again how this failure means Tyler Ennis needs to come back for another try?

Tell us again, college sycophants, what the problem is here.

Jerami Grant might leave for the NBA, where he would paid to play basketball. (What a concept!) Older dudes with jobs -- with paychecks -- think this is outrageous. You think Jim Boeheim cares about how the NBA product fares with raw players entering the league? You think Jim Boeheim cares about Grant's second contract? I am skeptical. You know what Jim Boeheim cares about? He spent all of that energy recruiting Ennis and Grant and Donte Greene and Michael Carter-Williams and Fab Melo and Jonny Flynn and Dion Waiters and Kris Joseph ... and they haven't given him what Carmelo Anthony gave him.

And now if Ennis and Grant leave like all of those young, talented and unpaid Orangemen before them left, Boeheim has to do some more 'cruitin and log those miles just to build another set of players he can coach just well enough to get beat out of the tournament. Now he has to teach more 18-year-olds a defensive system that will help them win regular season games and actually hinder their pro prospects, since no one in the NBA knows how to assess the defensive potential of kids stuck in a 2-3 zone full-time.

The worst part is how unbelievably single-minded Boeheim is about this stuff. Winning college basketball games is all that matters. When Boeheim says:

"You gotta have a skillset. They don't work with you up there. You're either ready to play up there or you're not. You go up there and you can't shoot, you're not playing. You up there and you're not strong enough, you're not playing. People forget how good the players are in the NBA.

"Kemba Walker, he's about what, the 20th best point guard in the NBA? If he'd have played here for us yesterday, he'd have had 40 points. That's what he would've had and everybody would've said, ‘Jeez, he's pretty good.'"
... he's ignoring that if Kemba Walker played for Syracuse this weekend, he'd be getting paid nothing, whereas Kemba Walker The 20th Best Point Guard In The NBA is making $2.5 million this season. Ennis and Grant can listen to Boeheim and come back to play for room and board and make Boeheim's job easier, or they can get paid to do their own jobs. Tough choice, right?

Of course, a lot of draft prospects fizzle out in the NBA. As Boeheim says, the league is really competitive. The best college player in 2011 has done well for himself in the pros, and he's right around the 20th best player at his position. So if you are in a spot where you can guarantee yourself at least two years of NBA salary, shouldn't you take it? If Ennis is slotted at No. 15 in the mocks when decision time arrives, knowing how deep and talented the NBA is, wouldn't it be smart to position himself to take that $4 million guaranteed and believe in his own ability to work hard, develop and get those third and fourth years guaranteed, to get that second contract?

Many players benefit from college experience. Damian Lillard never made an NCAA tournament, but his small conference seasoning helped him come into the league a fuller player. But Lillard never really had an opportunity to guarantee himself millions by entering the NBA early. College worked for him. It allowed him to develop and display his game to the point where an NBA team felt comfortable using a high pick on him. College worked for Jimmer Fredette, too. (Did it work for the team that drafted him No. 10 overall? Nope.) It worked for Doug McDermott, who will be a high pick despite Creighton's Sunday loss. It's worked for scores of current NBA players.

But it didn't really do anything for Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, who would have gone Nos. 1 and 2 last year if the age minimum didn't exist. It didn't do anything for Marcus Smart, who passed up being the likely No. 2 pick a year ago, only to get suspended for pushing a heckler and got booted out of tournament early. It doesn't look like an extra year with Ol' Roy Williams did much for Harrison Barnes, who amazingly looks less polished than Andre Drummond right now. Kyrie sure doesn't seem to have needed much Coach K.

So what we're left with is a landscape in which John Calipari, the guy who has embraced and exploited the one-and-done culture, is the last man standing. Coach K's program? Done. Bill Self's program? Done. Roy's team? Done. Cal survived them all this season, a year in which his critics basked in Kentucky's misfortune and had the audacity to suggest his one-and-done, pump-and-dump system had failed. Ha.

Those other coaches -- the Boeheims of college ball -- believed their own ********, that the stars needed them. Wrong. The stars needed a year to camp out before entering the draft, and the Boeheims and Krzyzewskis and Selfs and Roys all beg for the privilege of being the host. Only Calipari acknowledges the power of the relationship lies with the players. That he moves on to next weekend while the others stay home is some sort of righteous cosmic justice.

When Kentucky's done, Cal will tell Julius Randle and Willie Cauley-Stein to go get that paper. And that's why Cal will grab the next Randle, the next Anthony Davis, the next John Wall, the next Derrick Rose. If Self, K and Boeheim want to be honest with their own stars and tell them they are ready to go get paid, maybe Calipari wouldn't have such a strong hold on the preps-to-pros pipeline.

But that would require the big-name college coaches to put their own fates to the side for a minute. Fat chance of that happening.
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Smart might be my favorite prospect, but he has a really awkward handle on the ball for a PG at the next level, at least to my eye. Combined with ehhhh shooting I'm wary.
 
Ok so I'm sure everybody is gonna think I'm crazy but that kid from Wichita St. Early might be the 1.

I honestly want Early over Jabari. He has SERIOUS skills. It would be Wiggins, Embiid, & Early in my book.

The dude has a FULL toolbox in my book. And the boy shines in big moments. I did a lil research on dude and in a believer
 
Just running the numbers, trading the pick for Love won't make us a contender in 2014, nor will it in 2015.

Love, Nash & Kobe would be $49mil of the $62mil salary cap. Without any other moves really available except for overpaying a Luol Deng, or resigning Pau, 95% of your cap is taken up by 4 starters. And we'll lose good role players that we can't keep anymore; Wes, Farmar, Bazemore, Xavier. Will be an extremely flimsy team, and have to piece together 75% of the rotation on cheap deals like this year.

LetAssume we give Kelly, the Sacre extension 3year / $4mil guaranteed. Well worth it to keep him around for between $1-2mil a year.


So 2015 would have Kobe ($25mil), Kevin Love ($18 and some change). $2.5mil for Sacre & Kelly. About $17mil left. Rondo will require a 30% max salary of $18mil. We couldn't sign both of them if we wanted to.


Now if you keep the pick:
And you lock up a few guys multiple years for cheap. Sacre, Farmar, Kelly, Wes. They can be 7-10 in a championship caliber rotation.

#4pick + those 4 in 2015 would be $10mil. Add Kobe & Love that's 7 men of the rotation for $53mil.

2016 $12mil for the #4 pick + the 4 cheapies. Add Love at $19 mil. That's 6 men of a rotation for $32mil. By 2016 that #4 pick is either your 6th man or a solid starter. If he's a starter. You can go after Durant. Then put $10mil into the other 2 starters. Then $5mil into your 6th man.




Moral of the story. We can't contend next year or the year after. There's only 1 circumstance that we could. Nash retires, LeBron decides he wants to be a Laker. We keep the pick. That isn't happening.
 
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Yea I know but if he gets the right teaching he is gonna be a beast. There is just something about his competitive nature and nerves combined with his skill set that interests me

Last year I thought it was a fluke but he has proven me wrong all year
 
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Wait a minute........your damn name isn't Senator???????

What the ****? That says Senor?????

Man, I been callin you Senator for like 8 years. :lol:
 
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