Latino gangs targeting blacks in Los Angeles

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LOS ANGELES - In a murderous quest aimed at "cleansing" their turf of snitches and rival gangsters, members of one of Los Angeles County'smost vicious Latino gangs sometimes killed people just because of their race, an investigation found.

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There were even instances in which Florencia 13 leaders ordered killings of black gangsters and then, when the intended victim couldn't be located, said"Well, shoot any black you see," Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said.

"In certain cases some murders were just purely motivated on killing a black person," Baca said.

Authorities say there were 20 murders among more than 80 shootings documented during the gang's rampage in the hardscrabble Florence-Firestoneneighborhood, exceptional even in an area where gang violence has been commonplace for decades. They don't specify the time frame or how many of thekillings were racial.

Los Angeles has struggled withgang violence for years, especially during the wars in the late 1980s and early '90s between the Crips and the Bloods - both black gangs. Latino gangs havegained influence since then as the Hispanic population surged.

Evidence of Florencia 13, or F13, is easy to find in Florence-Firestone. Arrows spray-painted on the wall of a liquor store mark the gang's boundary andgraffiti warns rivals to steer clear.

The gang's name comes from the neighborhood that is its stronghold and the 13th letter of the alphabet - M - representing the gang's ties to theMexican Mafia.

Federal, state and local officials worked together to charge 102 men linked to F13 with racketeering, conspiracy to murder, weapons possession, drug dealingand other crimes. In terms of people charged, it's the largest-ever federal case involving a Southern California gang, prosecutors say. More than 80 ofthose indicted are in custody.

But eliminating the gang won't be easy. It's survived for decades and is believed to have about 2,000 members. Its reach extends to Nevada, Arizona and into prisons, where prosecutors sayincarcerated gang leaders were able to order hits on black gangsters.

According to the indictment, F13's leader, Arturo Castellanos, sent word in 2004 from California's fortress-like Pelican Bay State Prison that hewanted his street soldiers to begin "cleansing" Florence-Firestone of black gangsters, notably the East Coast Crips, and snitches.

His followers eagerly obeyed, according to federal prosecutors.

In one case, F13 members came across a black man at a bus stop, shouted "Cheese toast!" and fired. "Cheese toast" is a derogatory namefor East Coast Crips, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin S. Rosenberg said.

The victim, apparently targeted only because of his skin color, survived being shot several times, Rosenberg said.

F13 isn't the only Latino gang linked to racial killings. Last year, four members of The Avenues, a gang from the Highland Park area east of downtownLos Angeles, were convicted of hate crimes for killing a black man in what prosecutors called a campaign to drive blacks from that neighborhood. And lastJanuary, authorities announced a crackdown on the 204th Street gang following the killing of a 14-year-old black girl.

The violence goes both ways, said Adam Torres, a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department gang detective whose beat includes Florence-Firestone.

During a recent patrol on the east side of the neighborhood, he pointed to a cinderblock wall peppered with bullet holes. Torres said the Crips stillcontrol that area and any Hispanic there is at risk of being shot.

Despite the wave of violence, George Tita, a criminologist with the University of California, Irvine, said racially motivated gang killings are an exception. Latinos and blacks are farmore likely to be murdered by one of their own.

"You don't see these major black-brown wars, either within the context of gangs or outside the context of gangs," Tita said.

Residents of Florence-Firestone are loath to discuss gangs, fearful they might end up as targets, but there are signs of change. Murders in the neighborhooddropped from 43 in 2005 to 19 in 2006, Baca said. For 2007, there were 19 murders as of Dec. 24.

Jose Garcia sees the difference. The security doors on the store where he works aren't covered with graffiti as often and he hasn't heard a gunshotin two months.

"It used to be at least once or twice a week," he said.
 
its from yahoo news dated december 30th. i know this may be nothing new to some but the problem still exists unfortunately.....its sad really.....
 
The fact of the matter is Latinos kill more of their own rival Latino gangmembers than Blacks, and Blacks are killing more Blacks than Latinos. WE KILLIN' EACH OTHER Y'ALL...... THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO!!!
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THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO!!!
I have folks in latin gangs around where I live, they cool with me so they let me know what the deal is ... They told me a long time ago that themain objective is to uplift the latino race and to control as much as they can ... They say they go at blacks because they are the biggest threat as far asdrug and turf is concerned ... they have no reason to go at whites yet
 
Wasnt this touched on in Menace to Society. Cops droped dudes off in the wrong hood.
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Yahoo decades late with this one.
 
Meh, folks have been living under a rock if they think this is something new. It's been going on out ever since I was young. There isn't nothing new.The BS hate continues to be passed down from generation to generation.
 
Originally Posted by LovePham

Gangs in LA are serious. I'm glad I live in NYC. We only have wannabe gangsters.
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I never thought that I would like wanna be gangsters. NY 1, LA 0
 
Gangs in LA are serious. I'm glad I live in NYC. We only have wannabe gangsters.
i admit new york is alot tamer then it used to be...

buts its still no joke...

2 of my friends died because of gang violence... i wouldnt call that wana be thugging...
 
Thats the problem w the US...Ppl are brainwashed into thinking if they control something it's theres...Blacks and latinos need to smarten up and realizethe govt is the true enemy and wants this to happen to keep us enslaved.

Thank goodness Im in Canada...we have gangsters but the true gangsters here are the biker gangs...but dudes who want to be gangsters are just as dangerousbecuz they'll do anything to feel like they are gangsters.

Smarten up people.....
 
Being in a gang in my opinion only leads you down 2 paths death or prison. If your one of the very few lucky ones you will walk away but you won't be scotfree u will be haunted on a daily basis.

Being in a gang is no joke, it's not like the army, there ain't no such thing as dishonorable discharge. It's kill or be killed!

* starts to play "life goes on"***
 
Originally Posted by CrunkJuicedUp

Gangs in LA are serious. I'm glad I live in NYC. We only have wannabe gangsters.
True that, its been calm in newyork since 2000 and on.... i like it. very nice place to be now and not having 2 worry going 2 queens and other places at night alone is nice
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it really has gotten better, but there are some parts of queens i wont walk in feeling safe at night
 
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