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So Tim Duncan ruined the game for the average fan too?
No, no one ever put Tim Duncan on this type of pedestal. No matter what anyone in the league does, they'll never get lebron type coverage or rep.
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So Tim Duncan ruined the game for the average fan too?
No matter what anyone in the league does, they'll never get lebron type coverage or rep.
In here writing essays and ****...outlandish arguments stemming from one's own opinion.Never seen dudes go so hard to discredit a dude and with such ******** arguments
They will, if they are better than he is.
And that's how he's ruined the game. That type of thinking right there. You gotta be better then lebron to get respect? He's not entertaing. He's not that type of good where everyone gets downgraded to ball hogs and role players.
Lebron is Tim Duncan. Only difference is Bron got the streets behind him. He's out going and that's where his such high praise comes from. His game is just as boing and basic minus his transition dunks.
I never hear people praise anyone else's rebounding skills. But lebron does it in a way to help his team lookin.
If Lebron is Tim Duncan, Kobe is Jerry Stackhouse In detroit.
Lebron is Tim Duncan. Only difference is Bron got the streets behind him. He's out going and that's where his such high praise comes from. His game is just as boing and basic minus his transition dunks.
I never hear people praise anyone else's rebounding skills. But lebron does it in a way to help his team lookin.
If Lebron is Tim Duncan, Kobe is Jerry Stackhouse In detroit.
Its great that Lebron led his team those categories. Pau Gasol led his team in points, rebounds and assists by significant margins too in 2006.
I remember Pau in 2006, he was probably the most dangerous offensive weapon on the planet, he could do it all just like Lebron
I like how you bring up incomplete stats..... when they were basically playing scrubs sometimes not even playing the 4th quarter. Bosh and Wade minutes have decreased in the playoffs! If at the end of the playoffs those numbers stay the same, we can talk
I do know if I look at the 2012 playoffs stats, Lebron got more supporting scoring help from Wade and Bosh than Jordan did during the Bulls championships, than Kobe did on his recent back to back, than Wade did in 2006.
We show you empirical evidence but like a typical Lebron Stan, you're going to talk stats but when we show you stats that don't fit your agenda...stats don't matter anymore or you're come back with thinly veiled insult like my statements are "ridiculous"
And what was the difference?? Was Pau's 2006 supporting cast regarded as one of the most stacked ever? Otherwise I wouldn't mention it, oh great Kobe stan.
So I ask again: If you are going to bring up how stacked a team LeBron is playing on, then what does it say about LeBron if he is able to lead such a stacked team in points, rebounds and assists by significant margins?
Both Wade and Bosh are averaging under 15 points per 36 minutes these playoffs. And it's not even so much their averages as it is their inconsistency. A team that is last in the league in rebounding can't be regarded as a historically stacked team. Typical Kobe stan, hyping up LeBron's supporting cast based on names alone. BTW, how's that Dwight/Pau/Nash/Metta super team working for you? Being coached by Mike Brown and all, the man responsible for Cavs best in the league records in 09 and 10?
First of all before we start comparing their playoff supporting casts: LeBron's 2012 playoffs > any playoffs Kobe ever had, however you want to look at it. Better averages, MUCH better in terms of consistency, game 6 against the Celtics > any playoff game Kobe ever had, LeBron in the 2012 finals > any finals Kobe ever had... And the 2012 Thunder > any team Kobe ever BEAT in the finals. So individually, LeBron himself was more responsible for the Heat winning in 2012 than Kobe was for the Lakers winning in any of those championships.
Secondly, what exactly is your reason for saying that LeBron had a better supporting cast than Kobe? Kobe was 2 x first round exiter and 1 x lottery before he got the supporting cast he had between 2008-10. LeBron was in the conference finals and finals. LeBron needed his supporting cast to get over the hump and win a ring, Kobe needed his supporting cast to get out of the damn first round. Check Gasol's numbers in the 09 and 10 playoffs. Bosh missed almost half of the games in the 2012 playoffs. He had one guy playing well all throughout the playoffs and he was a guy whose game was much more similar to his own than Gasol was to Kobe's who could do way more things that Kobe couldn't.
And your statements ARE ridiculous. You are a living joke. In the other thread I brought up the Spurs record in 96-97 without David Robinson and you said it was also because they were missing Sean Elliott. Then I mentioned how their record also sucked UNTIL Sean Elliott got injured halfway through the season and you simply ignored this fact. All the while you wouldn't even mention how they also got a leading scorer in Dominique Wilkins on their roster while praising rookie Toni Kukoc to the heavens saying he was the reason why the 93-94 Bulls lost only two games less.
But then after I mentioned the significant drop in their record during the 91-92 season when Robinson missed 14 games you brought up Willie friggin Anderson. You were lauging at me for bringing up leading scorer Dominique Wilkins saying nobody remembers him even playing for the Spurs in 97 but then you bring up Willie Anderson in desperation, a guy nobody remembers playing in the league PERIOD. I just read that and laughed out loud, not even worth replying to.
Insecure? You are the one getting more insecure in your hate. I'll just sit back and laugh at the insecurity of you haters as LeBron keeps on stacking rings, finals MVPs, regular season MVPs (plural, unlike Kobe's lone "MVP", aka lifetime achievement award) and maybe a DPOY which he barely missed out on this season.
The Official I hate Lebron but can no longer make ringless jokes so this is my next best attempt thread
If there was someway to create a virus stop most people in this thread from accessing the internet again the world would be a better place.
First off let's start with saying this fun.
You literally bring me lulz whenever you post and I want to thank you for that
Now ok
With the points, rebounds and assists deal, you brought it and showed you how dumb it was. But it was pointless within the argument whether Lebron an elite shooter. But here you come with D*** riding.
Its great Lebron can do all those things. He's showing he's Scottie Pippen 2.0. Good for him.
Who says a team can't be regarded as great if they are poor at rebounding? They play small ball and they do so many other things great. They are top 10 in like every other defensive category.
And I'm not a Lakers fan. Try again buddy
There you go turning this into a Kobe vs Lebron debate. Your panties are showing again.
Lebron's 2012 playoffs were very impressive.
A broken clock is right twice a day too. Its about time he had one after all the stinkers he put in the playoffs.
2007 NBA Finals,
2008 ESF game 1...2 of 18 with 10 turnovers
2010 playoffs vs the Celtics when he just flat quit games 5 and 6
2011 NBA Finals where he put the worst performance by a "superstar" ever
I can't think of any performances that Kobe has turned in like that during the playoffs even if you want to talk about Game 7 in the 2010 NBA Finals, he still contributed and ultimately his team won.
To answer some more of your stuff.
The 2009 Magic had a higher winning % than the 2012 Thunder.
Kobe's game of the 2001 Western Conference Finals is the same level as Lebron's game 6
48PTS 15-29 1-1 17-19 16 REBS 3AST 2STL 1BLK 2TO 48MIN
Lebron
45PTS 19-26 2-4 5-9 15REBS 5AST 0STL 0BLK 4TO 45MIN
In regards to other thread....your original statement was that Michael Jordan shouldve only won 1-2 MVPs and that David Robinson shouldve been the 1996 NBA MVP
I love how you bring up the other thread, that you were afraid to reply to..... but bring up half the story in here.The thread speaks for itself. If you want to discuss the subject matter in that thread, go post in that thread don't bring up half the argument here. Pathetic
But I forgot who I'm talking to.
I can't wait for you to get done playing GTA, so you can reply.
I'm sure more lulz will ensue and maybe you can reactive your little buddy Lukejediknight
I really was gonna reply then I realized that homie said a Triple Double in the playoffs just don't do it for him anymore
Championships are a team accomplishment. Lets not act like Lebron was knocking down spot up threes after a drive and kick out from himself.You know what though OP? I don't blame you. Part of your views may be stemming from The Decision and his signing with Miami. Because they're making it look to easy.
I firmly believe that if he would have won 1 in Cleveland, he'd be crowned King from all NBA fans - whether they like him or not.
My father is a big LeBron fan and I am a Kobe fan and I always tell him this. I have the same exact opinion. If he would have won one in Cleveland it would have probably equaled Jordan's 6 for most people. But, now since he has such a good team he has to win at least 6 to be in the conversation with Jordan and at least 5 to be up there with Magic and Kobe. In my opinion of course.