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I understand.

These postgame interviews from his last few months in Phoenix '08 that got him fired:
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[h1]Time is running out for Suns[/h1]
You can slice, dice and dissect this trade all you want, but even after the Bass-o-matic treatment, the conclusion is the same: The Suns led the West when they traded Shawn Marion for Shaquille O'Neal a month ago. Now they sit in sixth place.

How long can you work out the kinks before acknowledging that they're not going away? If Friday's 126-118 loss to Utah at US Airways Center was a playoff preview, it's going to be a short postseason.

"We just didn't get any breaks, and we don't quite have the swagger to close yet, but I think we're on the right track," Suns guard Steve Nash said.

The Suns were better. But this dangerous fine line they're walking, trying to restructure their team while trying to stay in the playoff hunt, is getting dicey.

You can bet that fans will start barking about the Suns' bench again.

The Jazz went 10-deep, even without injured starter Andrei Kirilenko, and four of their reserves played 10-plus minutes. They are a solid bench of role players, including Kyle Korver, who scored all of his 14 points in the fourth quarter.

Coach Mike D'Antoni went eight deep instead of his typical seven, with the addition of new acquisition Gordan Giricek.

D'Antoni doesn't want to hear it. Nothing raises his hackles like criticism about his short bench.

"The object is to win," he said earlier Friday. "It's not, 'Play everybody and have a good time and everybody goes home friends.' I'm getting ticked, because our (starters) are playing less minutes than anybody in the league."

The suggestion that D'Antoni go deeper is mind-boggling to him.

"OK, I don't want to play Steve (Nash), I want to play D.J. (Strawberry). Yeah, that makes sense," he said.

D'Antoni wasn't ripping Strawberry as much as he was trying to reiterate what he always has believed: He sticks with players he trusts and refuses to apologize for it.

This is where it gets dicey. The window of opportunity for players to prove themselves closes quickly in this neighborhood. Once it's closed, it's hard to crawl back through.

"We're here to win a championship," he said. "We're not here to develop players."

He might not be developing players right now, but he is trying to develop a functioning offense. And that seems to be getting in the way of this championship business.

D'Antoni still is tweaking and fine-tuning. O'Neal would like to stay on the court longer, for example, but the coach doesn't want him and Amaré Stoudemire out of the lineup at the same time. And when Stoudemire is ready to come out, he wants O'Neal to be fresh.

Still, O'Neal has made sure to let the coach know he's ready. As he tells people in the organization, "I have no night life." Consider how often he comes to work out in the arena during the evening, I believe him.

It's hard not to feel nostalgic about what the Suns used to be.

D'Antoni still believes that the new-version Suns can be successful. He also still believes that his preferred rotation is the way to go.

"One of the reasons we could win 60 games or 55 or go to the conference finals is because we have this group of seven guys, where there shouldn't be much of a drop-off when a guy comes out," he said. True, but none of this short-bench business will matter if the Suns can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.

And lately, that doesn't sound like such like a crazy proposition anymore.
Friday, March 7, 2008 at 11:44 PM



[h1]'Antoni on hot seat? No, but temperature rising fast[/h1]
Dan Bickley
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 25, 2008 12:00 AM
...

Technically, D'Antoni has two more years left on his contract. But there have been whispers of discontent inside the walls, mainly about his refusal to use more players. One sentence, six of his words - "We're not here to develop players" - seem to ring in damnation, almost nullifying the 232 regular-season victories D'Antoni has collected since the beginning of the 2004-05 season.

Suns General Manager Steve Kerr would say only that it's "a non-issue" and that "Mike and I are both focused on the playoffs," and that everything else will be evaluated when the season is over. But this much is certain:

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Typically defiant, D'Antoni was ready with the one-liners on Thursday.

"To those (people on the ledge), go ahead and jump," D'Antoni cracked. "We've got 6 million people. We're fine. It was a little overcrowded anyway."

Then, turning serious, D'Antoni said he understood the panic:

"You know what? I can understand it. I'm ready to jump out, too. I'm on the ledge with them, but I'm not going. I'm going to crawl back in and we're going to play Friday and we're going to bust them and that's our mind-set. And we still don't have any doubt that we can win this series..."

But he knows the problems are getting thick.

For instance, the Spurs' Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are attacking the basket at will. At this time of year, most NBA teams would respond with some very physical counterattacks at the rim. D'Antoni can't employ this strategy because his team can't absorb unnecessary fouls - because he never groomed a full bench.

D'Antoni also was unprepared for Popovich's Hack-a-Shaq strategy against Shaquille O'Neal, so much that he frowned in disdain at the Spurs coach during Game 2. In fairness, even Kerr was relatively surprised at the desperate tactic, thinking his former coach was above that kind of stuff.

Yet D'Antoni can't even match the gamesmanship. He can't purposely foul Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen, both highly erratic from the free throw line, because his team can't afford to absorb unnecessary fouls - because he never groomed a full bench.

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Yet it seems like the coach's greatest trait is becoming a liability. He so affable, friendly and non-confrontational that you wonder about his authority over the group and whether he can ever put his foot down and demand a level of excellence (like Popovich often does), particularly with Amaré Stoudemire.

You wish this were all unnecessary, that D'Antoni could become just like Popovich, win a few championships and stick around for as long as he wants. But this four-year quest for a championship has been full of exhilarating highs and heartbreaking lows. During this time, the Suns have spawned a massive, captive audience, and now it wants results. Some overzealous fans went so far as to e-mail death threats to Kerr through the team's main Web site after the controversial trade for O'Neal.

Now, the temperature is hotter than ever. The Spurs have roared back in each of the first two games after making halftime adjustments, leading to a strong undercurrent among Suns fans that D'Antoni is getting badly outclassed and outfoxed by Popovich. One can only imagine the heat and the consequences if his team can't rise to the challenge, making a series out of this mess with the Spurs.

And that's it...that's everything in a nutshell. Phoenix fans went CRAZY when they heard that he basically doesn't believe in growing young talent. He either likes what you can already do from day 1 or you're done in his eyes.
 
Originally Posted by diceloveme

Originally Posted by UPPTEMPO8387

I don't understand how a big man in Jerome Jordan, a 3 point shooter in Novak, and a decent PG in Lin get ZERO playing time on a team that has no depth AT ALL..These dudes aren't playing on the Blazers or a team that has a deep bench..They play on a team that is currently 4 games below .500. It just makes no sense


I'm still content with having Melo on this team, even if they're currently playing like garbage..But I still believe that adding depth around guys like Amar'e n Melo makes the team pretty good..You can't seriously expect the team to be great when they have 2 rookies that came into the season with the responsibility of being huge contributors from the jump..It's not like Shump n Jorts were lottery picks like LeBron or Durant that were expected to come into the season and do work..They were drafted in a stage of the 1st  n 2nd round where players are usually expected to just contribute minimal minutes off the bench their rookie season.



Regardless of how much I think Carmelo will help the team once they sign more players that can contribute as opposed to scrubs like Douglas, when I look back at what the Knicks traded, it shocks me. We really traded our starting PG, starting SG, starting SF, and backup Center for 1 player?
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Idc if Billups was involved in the trade bc everyone knew dude was just a filler to make it work contract wise and he'd be gone once the season ended, but goddamn..That's like 45ppg traded for 25ppg.
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Ok guys lets all let it go on 3....I swear every page we keep dwelling on this issue. We have melo now lets all move forward
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How are you just gonna ignore the fact that I opened up the previous statement by saying I like Carmelo on the team and think the team will be nice when we add depth? I was just pointing out how at the time I was so happy that we got Carmelo that I didn't realize how much production was going out the door.
 
In garbage time is the key phrase there. We're desperate but not that desperate yet. Lin is a 3rd string PG with a ceiling of a decent back up. I don't want him playing important minutes. Give em all to Novak if you have to.
 
This Lin advocating is weird to me. I've seen nothing from dude indicating we should play him more. Granted I don't want TD on the court at all but I'm not gonna be hopeful of Lin being an upgrade when he just might be a lateral move. If anything I'd say throw Bibby's corpse out there more.

I don't really care if Jordan plays right now when Tyson-Jeffries have been playing well on defense and before the injury Josh was great help as well.

My main beef has been the lack of Novak play. He getting that Mason Jr. treatment and unlike Roger he didn't even get to show he aint that good and all we've seen from dude so far is 3s going down any time he's on the court. Like is it about some weird attachment to Walker, who he keeps giving a chance and only produces every 4 games?

I hope Baron plays tomorrow.
 
I agree about not playing everybody just to play everybody. A lot of coaches have that mind set. Coaches don't just up n say oh this is a good time to experiment and put in player x in the middle of the game unless it's major garbage time.

I just don't understand when he sees Walker or even Amar'e drawing the same stupid charging fouls he never gets frustrated to the point he'll put in another player and bench guys playing like idiots for a while.
 
Originally Posted by Crime Wave

Originally Posted by DubA169

Honestly if dolans mentality is all bout money he should want a championship more than we do

Son jacked up ticket prices 10 fold when 'Melo arrived.
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Duke doesn't care.
imagine how much tickets would cost if we won...
he would sell extreme amounts of merchandise too
 
Pro, do you not realize how bad toney is? Maybe he is injured but DAMN he is terrrrrible. I cant watch this +%*!

I don't see how lin could be much worse. Toney is TRASH. picks up his dribble. can't finish a fast break. can't shoot.

it's worth giving lin a few minutes.

why should these players fear any accountability when the coach tells the world that they are gonna play no matter what?
 
Originally Posted by henz0

D'antoni is not the problem

He damn sure isn't the solution, But lets play a game.
explain to me how dantoni helps the knicks? what are his strengths as a leader of men?
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

Pro, do you not realize how bad toney is? Maybe he is injured but DAMN he is terrrrrible. I cant watch this +%*!

I don't see how lin could be much worse. Toney is TRASH. picks up his dribble. can't finish a fast break. can't shoot.

it's worth giving lin a few minutes.

why should these players fear any accountability when the coach tells the world that they are gonna play no matter what?


Of course I do and I'm taking that into account when I talk about Lin.  If you mean 5 mins in like a few, then sure
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 that's just how bad Lin is to me that I'd rather keep throwing TD out there.  Or like I said before, give Novak the minutes.
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by henz0

D'antoni is not the problem

He damn sure isn't the solution, But lets play a game.
explain to me how dantoni helps the knicks? what are his strengths as a leader of men?

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 Look at his Face as he says Pringles is not the problem! Waits for Dub's questions to be answered
  
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by Crime Wave

Originally Posted by DubA169

Honestly if dolans mentality is all bout money he should want a championship more than we do

Son jacked up ticket prices 10 fold when 'Melo arrived.
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Duke doesn't care.
imagine how much tickets would cost if we won...
he would sell extreme amounts of merchandise too
It seems that the Dolan's current earnings are sufficient, no need to waste more money to make more money. 
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Yeah, Baron might come in and make Pringles' offense work but I'd love to see Henzo come in here and tell us why D'Antoni is not a huge problem for the Knicks.
 
Yeah D'Antoni is buns..Pro-D'Antoni supporters always bring up his offensive success with the Suns and in Italy, but other than that the guy has not done much in the league. Steve Nash is top 3 pure PGs in the last decade of NBA Basketball so lets stop giving Pringles credit for his accomplishments. That's like saying Erik Spoelstra is a great coach bc he took the Heat to the NBA Finals last year with D Wade, Bron, and Bosh. He has been to 0 NBA Finals, never won the Western Conference, and never did a damn thing period. Put STAT n Nash on any team with the depth that the Suns had, and they would make the CF at least once.
 
Originally Posted by Crime Wave

Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by Crime Wave


Son jacked up ticket prices 10 fold when 'Melo arrived.
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Duke doesn't care.
imagine how much tickets would cost if we won...
he would sell extreme amounts of merchandise too
It seems that the Dolan's current earnings are sufficient, no need to waste more money to make more money. 
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I don't think that's how the mind of a billionaire works. Most of them are built differently. The urge to make money doesn't stop after they reach a certain numberJimmy was born into it so I'm sure it's completely different. But with him being a failure in the business world, and a former alcoholic I think he would love to impress daddy. Jim has enough money to feed a third world country. But he is still depriving millions of people with time Warner.
 
I didnt think this roster would play this badly. we are better than this
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by Crime Wave

Originally Posted by DubA169

imagine how much tickets would cost if we won...
he would sell extreme amounts of merchandise too
It seems that the Dolan's current earnings are sufficient, no need to waste more money to make more money. 
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I don't think that's how the mind of a billionaire works. Most of them are built differently. The urge to make money doesn't stop after they reach a certain numberJimmy was born into it so I'm sure it's completely different. But with him being a failure in the business world, and a former alcoholic I think he would love to impress daddy. Jim has enough money to feed a third world country. But he is still depriving millions of people with time Warner.
From the perspective of dumping money into the franchise specifically, I'm sure his other outlets of earnings far exceed the Knicks franchise; it's on the back burner. 
 
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