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Whoever set it up. Lmk, I'll copp that ticket to wherever it's at... Lol...
Let's make everything about RACE (Unapologetically Black Thread)
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This isn’t the after party.The KS thread brought me here.
Unless you have something on topic to contribute, just go back about your business and leave Coach Hubie to republish his Facebook feed.
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May you please confirm on that I'm not an alt? I signed up to try to cop the union 1's & the FSR cast would bring it up. Prior to that, I'd occasionally come across here when I'd google shoe sizing on newer models. I had no clue what "ADIDAS x YEEZY" was doing on a site called "niketalk". I don't think I was aware of general until someone accused me of being a Dominican in the dunk thread. Any old NT reference I know of I used the search feature for.
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You were a worthy opponent bro
I don't shake hands with............. It's like shaking hands with MAGAs save it. We do not do that here.
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Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms will not seek reelection: ‘Time to pass the baton’
Bottoms announced the stunning Friday morning, telling Atlanta residents "this is a decision made from a position of strength and not weakness."
Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms will not seek reelection: 'Time to pass the baton'
Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms will not seek reelection after one term in office, she reportedly announced during a private call.thegrio.com
She wouldn’t win anyhow. Her decision not to run again, was a better political move than losing.
Besides, she wants to be a celebrity. Once she wasn’t considered for VP (which I don’t understand why she thought she had a chance with the lack of political/policy experience) she went into a hole.
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I got my money on team khufu, dude mad brolic, runs a 4.4 and got a 50 inch vert. The woman haters have no chance.
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I am not coach hubie, nor any of the names that I have been accused of.
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I signed off last night to go live my "lonely" "misogynist" life and hombre apparently neglected his amazing one to continue to go back and forth with people on here. All the amazing work from home sex he claimed to be receiving and instead, he shunned it for bouts of verbal sparring on NT.
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In all fairness people can multitask. You can live your life and give bigots and sexists a talking to at the same time. Some people don't need much sleep.
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Hey....That’s also how I get down. Black love, Black family.
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We are a very fortunate and happy family. Due to what the rest of the world has dealt with in regard to covid, not putting on lotion before snapping a pic is the least of our concern. Black love, Black support, Black wealth, Black family.
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Man it's not that serious
I love how you ignored the compliment and dwelled on a joke about ashiness. I thought I was negative.
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Toxic positivity isn’t my thing. You do not try and humiliate a person’s family.Man it's not that serious
I love how you ignored the compliment and dwelled on a joke about ashiness. I thought I was negative.
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Ok man I apologize for my outburst. The ring is nice though, my wife's looks similar but round. Still need to get her a matching band but I told her let this marinade for a little bit. As much as I spent on it, enjoy it for a couple of years first.
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The first ring I bought my wife years ago was within the budget I could afford at the time. I promised her that once I began to make some real bread, that I would buy her something special. Done. We were to travel to Guinea to renew our vows, then covid hit. We are waiting to rock the new bands to match her ring, in the Fall when we finally make the trip. Going back home, Black love is special.
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None of the information I have suggests that you recently held another account - and I don't think you're old enough to have held an account on the old ezboard/yuku site. You've also posted photos of yourself, which isn't a trick that repeat offenders can do - unless they limit themselves to closeups of hands, feet, and, one in case, pecs.
Come on now. You and Anton had almost this exact same discussion over a decade ago:
If we flash back, we can literally see the moment when you looked this up:
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Billy Bowlegs III · Edmonia Lewis[/td][/tr][tr][th=""]Total population[/th][/tr][tr][td]Unknown. (182,494 identified as ethnically African/Native American on 2000 census)[sup][1][/sup][/td][/tr][tr][th=""]Regions with significant populations[/th][/tr][tr][td]United States (especially the Southern United States or in locations populated by Southern descendants).[/td][/tr][tr][th=""]Languages[/th][/tr][tr][td]
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Black Indians is a term that refers to people of African-American descent, usually with significant Native American ancestry, who also have strong ties to Native American culture, and social and historical traditions. This article addresses Black Indians in the United States.
Certain Native American tribes had close relations with African Americans, especially those in the Southeast, where slavery was prevalent. Members of the Five Civilized Tribes held enslaved blacks, who migrated with them to the West during Indian Removal in 1830 and later. In peace treaties with the US after the American Civil War, the tribes, which had sided with the Confederacy, were required to emancipate slaves and give them full citizenship rights in their nations. The Black Indians were known as tribal Freedmen of the five civilized tribes (Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Choctaw, and Chickasaw Freedmen). In addition, some black maroon communities had been allied with the Seminole in Florida and intermarried. The Black Seminole included those with and without Indian ancestry. The Cherokee, Creek and Seminole have created controversy in recent decades as they tightened rules for membership in their nations and excluded Freedmen who did not have at least one Indian ancestor on the early 20th century Dawes Rolls. Lawsuits are pending.
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- 1 Overview
- 2 History
- 2.1 Colonial America
- 2.2 1800s through Civil War
- 2.3 Native American slave ownership
- 2.4 Indian Freedmen
- 3 Genealogy
- 4 Notable Black Indians
- 4.1 Historic
- 4.2 Contemporary
- 5 See also
- 6 References
- 7 External links
- 8 Further reading
Until recently, historic relations between Native Americans and African Americans were relatively neglected in United States history studies.[sup][2][/sup] At various times, Africans had more or less contact with Native Americans, although they did not live together in as great number as with Europeans. African slaves brought to the United States and their descendants have had a history of cultural exchange and intermarriage with Native Americans and other slaves who possessed Native American and European ancestry. Most interaction took place in the Southern United States, where slaves were held in greatest number.[sup][3][/sup] Numerous African Americans thus have some Native American ancestry, although not all have current social, cultural or linguistic ties to Native peoples.[sup][4][/sup] Black Indians refers to African Americans who grew up or were closely associated with Native American culture. It does not mean all those who happen to have some Native American ancestry.
Relationships among Native American groups and Africans and African Americans have been varied and complex. Some groups were more accepting of Africans than others and welcomed them as full members of their respective cultures and communities. Native peoples often disagreed about the role of ethnic African people in their communities. Other Native Americans saw uses for slavery and did not oppose it for others.
After the American Civil War, as members of the US Army, some African Americans fought against Native Americans, especially in the Western frontier states. Their military units became known as the Buffalo Soldiers. Black Seminoles particularly were recruited and worked as Indian scouts for the Army. On the other hand, many Native Americans and African-descended people fought alongside one another in armed struggles of resistance against U.S. expansion into Native territories, as in the Seminole Wars in Florida, as well as resistance against slavery and racism.
[h2][edit] History[/h2][h3][edit] Colonial America[/h3]
The earliest record of African and Native American contact occurred in April 1502, when the first African slaves arrived in Hispaniola. Some escaped inland on Santo Domingo; those who survived and joined with the natives became the first circle of Black Indians.[sup][5][/sup][sup][6][/sup] In addition, the first example of African slaves' escaping from European colonists and being absorbed by Native Americans was recorded in 1526. In June of that year, Lucas Vasquez de Ayllón established a Spanish colony near the mouth of the Pee Dee River in what is now eastern South Carolina. The Spanish settlement was named San Miquel de Guadalupe. Among the inhabitants were 100 enslaved Africans. In 1526, the first African slaves fled the colony and took refuge with local Native Americans.[sup][6][/sup]
Intermarriage between African slaves and Native Americans began in the early 17th century in the coastal settlements.[sup][7][/sup] In 1622 Native Americans overran the European colony of Jamestown. They killed the Europeans but brought the African slaves as captives back to their communities, gradually integrating them.[sup][8][/sup] Interracial relationships occurred between African Americans and members of other tribes in the coastal states.[sup][7][/sup] Several colonial advertisements for runaway slaves made direct reference to the connections which Africans had in Native American communities. For example, ...ran off with his Indian wife..., had kin among the Indians..., part Indian and speaks their language good.[sup][9][/sup]
In South Carolina, colonists were so concerned about the possible threat posed by the mixed African and Native American population that was arising due to runaways, that they passed a new law in 1725. This law stipulated a fine of 200 pounds for persons bringing a slave to the frontier regions. In 1751 South Carolina passed a law against holding Africans in proximity to Native Americans, which was deemed detrimental to the security of the colony.
In 1726 the British governor of colonial New York exacted a promise from the Iroquois Confederacy to return all runaway slaves. He required the same from the Huron tribe in 1764 and the Delaware tribe in 1765.[sup][8][/sup] Despite their agreements, the tribes never returned any escaped slaves.[sup][8][/sup] They continued to provide a safe refuge for escaped slaves. In 1763 during Chief Pontiac's uprising, a Detroit resident reported that Native Americans killed whites but were "saving and caressing all the Negroes they take." He worried lest this might "produce an insurrection." Chief Joseph Brant's Mohawks in New York welcomed runaway slaves and encouraged intermarriage.[sup][8][/sup] The Native American adoption systems knew no color line.[sup][8][/sup]Woodson's notion of an escape hatch proved correct: Native American villages welcomed fugitives and some served as stations on the Underground Railroad.[sup][8][/sup]
During the transitional period of Africans' becoming the primary race enslaved, Native Americans were sometimes enslaved at the same time. Africans and Native Americans worked together, lived together in communal quarters, produced collective recipes for food, and shared herbal remedies, myths and legends. Some intermarried and had mixed-race children.[sup][1[/sup] Ads asked for the return of both African American and Native American slaves. Some Native Americans resented the presence of Africans.[sup][11][/sup] In one description, the "Catawaba tribe in 1752 showed great anger and bitter resentment when an African American came among them as a trader."[sup][11][/sup]
The Cherokee had the strongest color prejudice of all Native Americans.[sup][12][/sup] The hostility has been attributed to European fears of a unified revolt of Native Americans and African Americans: "Whites sought to convince Native Americans that African Americans worked against their best interests." [sup][13][/sup] Europeans considered both races inferior and made efforts to make Native Americans and Africans enemies.[sup][14][/sup] Native Americans were rewarded if they returned escaped slaves, and African Americans were rewarded for fighting in "Indian Wars".[sup][14][/sup][sup][15][/sup][sup][16][/sup] European colonists told the Cherokee that the smallpox epidemic of 1739 was due to disease brought by African slaves, to create tension between the groups.[sup][17][/sup] The British tried to restrict contact between Africans and free Native Americans. They feared Native Americans' taking enslaved Africans as husband or wife and tried to discourage trade between the groups. The British also passed laws prohibiting the carrying of slaves into the frontier of the Cherokee nation's territory to restrict interactions between the two groups.[sup][17][/sup] Some tribes were said to encourage marriage between the two groups, to create stronger, healthier children from the unions.[sup][18][/sup]
In the 18th century, some Native American women turned to freed or runaway African men due to a major decline in the male population in Native American villages. At the same time, the early African slave population was disproportionately male. Records show that a few Native American women bought African men as slaves. Unknown to European sellers, the women freed and married the men into their tribe. Some African men chose Native American women as their partners because their children would be free, as the child's status followed that of the mother. The men could marry into the tribe and be accepted. As European expansion increased in the Southeast, African and Native American marriages became more numerous.[sup][14][/sup]
[h3][edit] 1800s through Civil War[/h3]
In the early 19th century, the US government believed that some tribes had become extinct, especially on the East Coast and those without reservations.[sup][19][/sup] It did not have a separate census designation for Native Americans. Those who remained among the European-American communities were frequently listed as mulatto, a term applied to Native American-white, Native American-African, and African-white mixed-race people, as well as tri-racial people.[sup][19][/sup]
The Seminole people of Florida were unusual for forming in the 18th century, mostly from Creek and other Native Americans who migrated from Georgia. They incorporated some Africans who had escaped from slavery. Other maroons formed separate communities near the Seminole, and were allied with them in military actions. Some intermarriage took place. African Americans living near the Seminole were called Black Seminoles. Several hundred people of African descent traveled with the Seminole when they were removed to Indian Territory. Others stayed with a few hundred Seminole in Florida.
By contrast, an 1835 census of the Cherokee showed that 10% were of African descent.[sup][9][/sup] Western frontier artist George Catlin described "Negro and North American Indian, mixed, of equal blood" and stated:
By 1922 John Swanton's survey of the civilized tribes noted that half the Cherokee Nation were freedmen and their descendants.
Former slaves and Native Americans intermarried in northern states as well. Massachusetts Vital Records prior to 1850 included notes of "Marriages of 'negroes' to Indians". By 1860 in some areas of the South, Native Americans were believed to have intermarried with African Americans to such an extent that white legislators thought the Native Americans no longer qualified as "Indian". Legislators wanted to revoke their tax exemptions.[sup][8][/sup]
Freed African Americans, Black Indians and some Native Americans fought in the American Civil War against the Confederate Army. During November 1861, the Creek and Black Indians, led by Creek Chief Opothleyahola, fought three pitched battles against Confederate whites and allied Native Americans to reach Union lines in Kansas and offer their services.[sup][8][/sup] Some people who were Black Indians served in colored regiments with other African-American soldiers.[sup][2
Black Indians were documented in the following regiments: The 1st Kansas Colored Infantry, The Kansas Colored at Honey Springs, The 79th US Colored Infantry, and The 83rd US Colored Infantry, along with other colored regiments that included men listed as Negro.[sup][2
[h3][edit] Native American slave ownership[/h3]
Slavery existed among Native Americans before it was introduced by the Europeans, although it was unlike chattel slavery. In oral tradition, for instance, Cherokees recounted people being enslaved as the result of failure in warfare, and as a temporary status pending adoption or release.[sup][22][/sup] As the United States Constitution and the laws of several states permitted slavery, Native Americans were legally allowed to own slaves, including those brought from Africa by Europeans. The Cherokee tribe had the most members who held black slaves, more than any other Native American nation.[sup][23][/sup]
In colonial North America, the first exposure that Africans and Native Americans had to each other came from Africans being imported as laborers, both indentured servants and as slaves.[sup][7][/sup] Records from the slavery period show several cases of brutal Native American treatment of black slaves. However, most Native American masters rejected the worst features of Southern practices.[sup][8][/sup] Travelers reported enslaved Africans "in as good circumstances as their masters." A white Indian Agent, Douglas Cooper, upset by the Native American failure to practice more severe rules, insisted that Native Americans invite white men to live in their villages and "control matters."[sup][8][/sup] Though less than 3% of Native Americans owned slaves, racial bondage and pressure from European-American culture created destructive cleavages in their villages. Many had a class hierarchy based on "white blood."[sup][8][/sup] Native Americans of mixed white blood stood at the top, "pure" Native Americans next, and people of African descent were at the bottom.[sup][8][/sup] As among mixed-race African Americans, some of the status of white descent may also have been related to the economic and social capital passed on by white relations.
Numerous African-descended people were held as slaves by members of Native groups up until the Civil War. Some later recounted their lives for a WPA oral history project during the Great Depression in the 1930s.[sup][24][/sup]
[h3][edit] Indian Freedmen[/h3]
Main article: Cherokee Freedmen Controversy
Members of the Creek (Muscogee) Nation in Oklahoma around 1877. Note mixed European, African and Native American ancestry. L to R, Lochar Harjo, principal chief; unidentified man, John McGilvry, and Silas Jefferson or Hotulko micco (Chief of the Whirlwind). The latter two were interpreters and negotiators.[sup][25][/sup]
After the Civil War in 1866, the five civilized tribes, parts of which had supported the Confederacy, were required to grant their slaves citizenship and membership in the tribe, as the United States freed slaves and granted them citizenship by amendments to the US Constitution. These people were known as tribal freedmen - for instance, Creek or Cherokee Freedmen. Similarly, the Cherokee were required to reinstate membership for the Delaware, who had earlier been given land on their reservation, but fought for the Union during the war.[sup][26][/sup] Many of the Freedmen played active political roles in their tribal nations over the ensuing decades, including roles as interpreters and negotiators with the federal government. African Creek men, such as Harry Island and Silas Jefferson, helped secure land for their people when the government decided to made individual allotments to tribal members under the Dawes Rolls.
In the late 20th century, the Cherokee Nation moved to take descendants of Freedmen and Delaware off the tribal rolls, except for those who had a Cherokee ancestor on the Dawes Roll. A political struggle over this issue has ensued and the matter went to the tribe's Supreme Court. The Cherokee later reinstated the rights of Delaware to be considered members of the Cherokee, but opposed their bid for federal recognition.[sup][26][/sup]
By the tribal Supreme Court ruling of March 2006, the Cherokee Nation was required to reinstate as members about 1,000 African Americans (and descendants) whom they had dropped from the rolls in the mid-1970s. In response, leaders of the Cherokee Nation organized a referendum to vote on qualifications for citizenship in the tribe. The referendum established direct Cherokee ancestry as a requirement, unlike previous qualifications. Only such members were allowed to vote in the referendum. The measure passed in March 2007, thereby forcing out Cherokee Freedmen and their descendants unless they also had direct Cherokee ancestry. This has caused much controversy.[sup][27][/sup] The tribe has determined to limit membership only to those who can demonstrate Native American descent based on listing on the Dawes Rolls.[sup][28][/sup]
Similarly, the Seminole nation of Oklahoma moved to exclude Black Seminoles from membership. In 1990 it received $56 million from the US government as reparations for lands taken in Florida. Because the judgment trust was based on tribal membership as of 1823, it excluded Seminole Freedmen, as well as Black Seminoles who held land next to Seminole communities. In 2000 the Seminole chief moved to formally exclude Black Seminoles unless they could prove descent from a Native American ancestor on the Dawes Rolls. Two thousand Black Seminoles were excluded from the nation.[sup][29][/sup] Descendants of freedmen and Black Seminoles are working to secure their rights.
Notice that Anton isn't denying it. Is he more honest than you?
Here's a simple question for you that any NikeTalk user can answer: how and when did you first find out about NikeTalk and register for an account?
Your critics think you're a liar. They think you tell a bunch of tall tales. Why prove them right and voluntarily impeach your own credibility?
You have an opportunity now to be honest, or you can spin a bunch of unconvincing lies, sever ties to your own past, and pretend to be someone you're not - which, for someone who takes pride in their heritage, is the ultimate insult.
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Methodical gets to have all the fun 
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It is not what you call me, it is what I answer to.None of the information I have suggests that you recently held another account - and I don't think you're old enough to have held an account on the old ezboard/yuku site. You've also posted photos of yourself, which isn't a trick that repeat offenders can do - unless they limit themselves to closeups of hands, feet, and, one in case, pecs.
Come on now. You and Anton had almost this exact same discussion over a decade ago:
If we flash back, we can literally see the moment when you looked this up:
Notice that Anton isn't denying it. Is he more honest than you?
Here's a simple question for you that any NikeTalk user can answer: how and when did you first find out about NikeTalk and register for an account?
Your critics think you're a liar. They think you tell a bunch of tall tales. Why prove them right and voluntarily impeach your own credibility?
You have an opportunity now to be honest, or you can spin a bunch of unconvincing lies, sever ties to your own past, and pretend to be someone you're not - which, for someone who takes pride in their heritage, is the ultimate insult.
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Coach Hubie wasn’t a name you were given; it’s a name you chose.
Are we playing word games now? "I am not Coach Hubert Brown?" "I am not currently Coach Hubie?"
You previously posted on NikeTalk under the account names “Coach Hubie” and “nat turner.”
That’s a simple statement of fact.
I'm the one who gave you a "second" chance here.
I honestly don't understand why you want to continue to drag out this line of discussion, but you're denying what I know to be true and my silence in the face of those denials could read as complicity. Understand that integrity matters to me, and to this community. I will not knowingly lie for or about anyone on NikeTalk.
