Man of Steel (Superman Movie Thread) - June 14, 2013 - NEW Trailer pg20

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

Maybe zods death and destruction will be the reason in upcoming movies for him not wanting to kill anybody else

 

[tay1]

Maybe zods death and destruction will be the reason in upcoming movies for him not wanting to kill anybody else

So once another villain starts wrecking having and killing people, they get a pass, but Zod doesn't?

 

[King of Trash Style]

So once another villain starts wrecking having and killing people, they get a pass, but Zod doesn't?

Well in this one he's a rookie but in the sequel he'll probably be better prepared to deal with this same kind of situation. Besides it's not like he killed him because he wanted to, it was a split second reaction.

 

[King of Trash Style]

That was your response when I initially brought up elements of IM3. Tony's lack of tactical training and the ability to let some choppers shoot up his base shows. this vs 3 military trained kryptonians I was going to let it slide but you keep using that movie as a defense so.....
I'm definitely keeping up with the convo. I was giving you those three as a courtesy so they could be a distraction so Tony would live longer but have it your way.

Thor was barely handling those aliens and they were dying from bullets from Widow and arrows from Hawkeye. He was extra weak in The Avengers
Apparently the extremis soldiers and Killian were because those armors were getting shredded and Thor barely hurt Tony right?
What basis do you have to say those guns are weak. If I'm not mistaken those same type blasts were being shot from their ships and were making short work of military craft. One shot kills.
Now you sound ridiculous. What exactly made Killian stronger than any of the other soldier? Pepper took him out by hitting him with a beam and a repulsor blast .

You think Tony is gonna have time against beings that move that fast to hop from armor to armor and survive?

I'm sorry but Tony is a dead man

I'm sure Tony Stark can take him out him prep time. Hell he'll probably make a kryptonite laced suit.

 

[tay1]

Well in this one he's a rookie but in the sequel he'll probably be better prepared to deal with this same kind of situation. Besides it's not like he killed him because he wanted to, it was a split second reaction.

I just can't buy it. There's always going to be tough villains too fight, so I don't see why he won't do the same thing to protect people.

 

[everysingletime]

I actually didn't mind the killing of Zod. He did what he had to do. I actually would've preferred they changed more about Superman than the killing. He's still too much of a boy scout with no personality. I think they dropped the ball by not taking more risks and reinventing him further.

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

So once another villain starts wrecking having and killing people, they get a pass, but Zod doesn't?

So once other Villains start wreaking havoc and killing people maybe superman will handle it differently. Yall act like dude is incapable from learning and trying new things

I actually dont care if he kills anybody. He can kill every villain he faces as far as im concerned

 

[tay1]

So once other Villains start wreaking havoc and killing people maybe superman will handle it differently. Yall act like dude is incapable from learning and trying new things

I actually dont care if he kills anybody. He can kill every villain he faces as far as im concerned

What is he gonna do, throw em in jail?

 

[rfx45]

nvm

 

[tay1]

I actually didn't mind the killing of Zod. He did what he had to do. I actually would've preferred they changed more about Superman than the killing. He's still too much of a boy scout with no personality. I think they dropped the ball by not taking more risks and reinventing him further.

He's been bottleling up his emotions about being the most powerful person on the planet , and not knowing his real daddy for so long that he didn't have time to develop a personality

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

That was your response when I initially brought up elements of IM3. Tony's lack of tactical training and the ability to let some choppers shoot up his base shows. this vs 3 military trained kryptonians laugh.gif I was going to let it slide but you keep using that movie as a defense so.....

That's because as I've said you seem to want to ignore storytelling in order to make dumb complaints. I've just been playing along with you by bringing up dumb things to complain about in MOS. Like I said when you're ready to make an actual point feel free to. That whole back and forth is really about your irrelevant side comments. I already explained why Tony did that but you can't comprehend it or refuse to.

I'm definitely keeping up with the convo. I was giving you those three as a courtesy so they could be a distraction so Tony would live longer but have it your way.

If you were actually paying attention you'd realize you were wasting your time cuz even I didn't question the involvement of the other 3. If you're keeping up I'd say for you to now slowly reread what I've said regarding the other 3. Seems you missed it for like 4th time now.

Apparently the extremis soldiers and Killian were because those armors were getting shredded and Thor barely hurt Tony right?

So you don't see the difference? So you don't see why? Maybe you should watch Avengers and IM3 again too. The extrmis soldiers were basically molten men. Tony's suits are all made of metal, I've just set it up for you now, maybe you can figure out the rest. Now I can hope you see the difference from that and the likes of Faora and Thor. The extremis soldiers weren't tearing through them due to superior strength.

What basis do you have to say those guns are weak.

I didn't say that though.

If I'm not mistaken those same type blasts were being shot from their ships and were making short work of military craft. One shot kills.

You're mistaken. Go watch MOS again if you think the blasts from guns and the blasts from the ships are "same type blasts" and then after, I can get in to why even if they were similar, that a blast from a hand gun and from the ship are on a different scale That seems like something incredibly dumb to ignore.

Now you sound ridiculous. What exactly made Killian stronger than any of the other soldier? Pepper took him out by hitting him with a beam and a repulsor blast laugh.gif.

Go read the extremis arc or rewatch IM3. To see the difference between Killian and the other soldiers and pay attention to what they were saying about extremis.

Hope they keep it up. Can't really turn back now. I'm pretty sure Lois wrote an article about his victory so a guy like Lex or even Brainiac knows exactly what he needs to do take dude too far. Then he can start propaganda about when he'll turn on us.
If I was a diehard fan of Supes I'm sure I'd be mad but this way I think I'll get a Superman I'll really like. He's suppose to be a beacon of hope and lead by example but with that murder he's like any other human and can't do the latter to his best extent. So to me the only other alternative is to rule by example.

The problem with him killing Zod is that he's not the only villain that will harm people. All villians try to destroy the world / cities and people will get hurt. So based on what happened in this film, Superman is going to have to kill every villain that comes by. Which is going to be a mess, because I'm sure they won't even address this issue in a sequel.

Yeah, I hope they continue to write him struggling with that and finding a middle ground on who to kill and who not to. I hope they're no cop out in the sequel with Clark telling Lois he swears to never kill again or some crap. I know there won't be a lot of Zod level villains to throw out there but imo Parasite is somebody Supes could kill. I think he'd also kill Brainiac with no qualms. He won't kill Luthor though, especially if he goes the propaganda angle.

I think cuz he's on that higher of a power level he's going to be more cautious with who he kills because not every villain will put him in that situation. I think he'll be working hard to prevent those situations. He'll start to find a different way.

Now I've put some thought in to it but you right, they could easily botch this issue and not even bring it up and just have more death and destruction. I mean it is David Goyer writing (don't trust him at all) and I'm not sure Nolan will be around to keep them in check as executive producer.

So once another villain starts wrecking having and killing people, they get a pass, but Zod doesn't?

So once other Villains start wreaking havoc and killing people maybe superman will handle it differently. Yall act like dude is incapable from learning and trying new things

I actually dont care if he kills anybody. He can kill every villain he faces as far as im concerned

I'm for dude killing as long as it's in the right situations. Not Punisher style. Maybe try to make more use of the Phantom Zone or build his own damn prison.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Another interesting read & hilarious infograph... Spoiler mode in case some folks haven't seen the movie...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/man-of-steel-destruction-death-analysis

The Insane Destruction That The Final “Man Of Steel” Battle Would Do To NYC, By The Numbers

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Superman’s world-shaking battle against General Zod wrecked buildings like Jenga towers. An analysis of the hypothetical damage, done exclusively for BuzzFeed, paints a horrifying picture.
posted on June 17, 2013 at 2:45pm EDT

Around $200 million worth of tickets have been sold to screenings of Man of Steel thus far, with fans around the world eager to behold Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan’s serious new take on the world’s most famous superhero. Along with a big dose of sci-fi detail and an angst-filled origin story (and maybe some religious allegory), moviegoers were treated to a cataclysmic display of carnage and destruction. (Light spoilers below.)

When Superman (Henry Cavill) and his nemesis General Zod (Michael Shannon) duke it out for almost the entire third act of the movie, their incredible speed and power are largely on display in Metropolis, the fictional city that is largely based on New York.

In a study done exclusively for BuzzFeed, scientist and longtime disaster expert Charles Watson worked with his team at Watson Technical Consulting to model and anticipate the damage done to Metropolis, both in the form of human casualties and monetary cost. They ran analyses of the World Engine ground zero in Central Manhattan and central Chicago, finding that the major damage would be a mile in diameter.

WTC estimates that, in the days after the attack, the known damage would already be stunning: 129,000 known killed, over 250,000 missing (most of whom would have also died), and nearly a million injured.

The impact, WTC writes, “seemed to be similar to an air burst from a 20kt nuclear explosion in terms of shock effects, but without the radiation or thermal effects.”

In terms of the strictly physical damage done to the city, the initial estimate is $700 billion. To put that in context, 9/11’s physical damage cost $55 billion, with a further economic impact of $123 billion.

Overall, WTC estimates that the damage would be $2 trillion.

The numbers are staggering, but then, so is the imagery. Superman and Zod’s battle is one of epic proportions, these two superhumans from a distant planet laying waste to the gleaming city. They toss each other into buildings, with each crash easily blowing holes through the architecture and sending the towers — and the many people inside of them — free-falling to the broken pavement below.

The rain of searing wreckage blew streets apart; people became trapped under fallen buildings and overturned cars, crushed beneath facades and hot and twisted metal. The onslaught from the back-and-forth battle was random and merciless; the two Kryptonians paid little attention to the damage they were doing to anything but each other.

In the end, Superman wins the day. But at what cost?

WTC delivered its report to BuzzFeed in the form of an editorial written by The Daily Planet’s Perry White, who is played in Man of Steel by Laurence Fishburne. We have excerpted it below; the entire letter and report can be found at WTC’s site.

Disasters can bring out the best in human nature, but also uncover the worst. The financial toll is equally enormous, and it is here the darker side is unfortunately revealed. The dust from collapsing buildings had not settled before LexCorp’s infamous Kinetic Assessment Cartel (KAC) were spreading across the city, calculators in hand, tallying the damage and, no doubt, getting a jump on their potential competitors for lucrative post-apocalypse recovery contracts. KAC’s initial estimate of over $750 Billion in direct physical damage is truly astronomical, and probably correct, but not as astronomical as the profits these vultures hope to reap from the city’s misfortune. Of course the city must be rebuilt, but we must say we are disappointed in Mayor Berkowitz for giving LexCorp a sole source contract for this vital task. We suspect the Mayor will regret this contract at some point. With billions more in cleanup, economic impact, and other the total will easily be in the trillions of dollars.

Finally, while we honor the bravery and dedication of our Armed Forces, especially the sacrifice of Col. Hardy in destroying the World Engine, we would be remiss if we did not point out that our military was initially not only ineffective, but the source of considerable unnecessary damage. An assessment of the Battle of Smallville by Dr. Edward Johnson of the University of Metropolis has shown that fully 87% of the damage to Smallville was caused by friendly fire, with billions of dollars of aircraft, satellites, and other hardware lost during the ensuing conflict. Again, we do not fault the courageous airman and soldiers who valiantly fought alien invaders possessed of superhuman strength and vastly superior technology, but our leaders showed failures of judgment and management that will require serious review.

 

[blakep267]

Another interesting read & hilarious infograph... Spoiler mode in case some folks haven't seen the movie...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/man-of-steel-destruction-death-analysis

The Insane Destruction That The Final “Man Of Steel” Battle Would Do To NYC, By The Numbers

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Superman’s world-shaking battle against General Zod wrecked buildings like Jenga towers. An analysis of the hypothetical damage, done exclusively for BuzzFeed, paints a horrifying picture.
posted on June 17, 2013 at 2:45pm EDT

Around $200 million worth of tickets have been sold to screenings of Man of Steel thus far, with fans around the world eager to behold Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan’s serious new take on the world’s most famous superhero. Along with a big dose of sci-fi detail and an angst-filled origin story (and maybe some religious allegory), moviegoers were treated to a cataclysmic display of carnage and destruction. (Light spoilers below.)

When Superman (Henry Cavill) and his nemesis General Zod (Michael Shannon) duke it out for almost the entire third act of the movie, their incredible speed and power are largely on display in Metropolis, the fictional city that is largely based on New York.

In a study done exclusively for BuzzFeed, scientist and longtime disaster expert Charles Watson worked with his team at Watson Technical Consulting to model and anticipate the damage done to Metropolis, both in the form of human casualties and monetary cost. They ran analyses of the World Engine ground zero in Central Manhattan and central Chicago, finding that the major damage would be a mile in diameter.

WTC estimates that, in the days after the attack, the known damage would already be stunning: 129,000 known killed, over 250,000 missing (most of whom would have also died), and nearly a million injured.

The impact, WTC writes, “seemed to be similar to an air burst from a 20kt nuclear explosion in terms of shock effects, but without the radiation or thermal effects.”
In terms of the strictly physical damage done to the city, the initial estimate is $700 billion. To put that in context, 9/11’s physical damage cost $55 billion, with a further economic impact of $123 billion.

Overall, WTC estimates that the damage would be $2 trillion.

The numbers are staggering, but then, so is the imagery. Superman and Zod’s battle is one of epic proportions, these two superhumans from a distant planet laying waste to the gleaming city. They toss each other into buildings, with each crash easily blowing holes through the architecture and sending the towers — and the many people inside of them — free-falling to the broken pavement below.

The rain of searing wreckage blew streets apart; people became trapped under fallen buildings and overturned cars, crushed beneath facades and hot and twisted metal. The onslaught from the back-and-forth battle was random and merciless; the two Kryptonians paid little attention to the damage they were doing to anything but each other.

In the end, Superman wins the day. But at what cost?

WTC delivered its report to BuzzFeed in the form of an editorial written by The Daily Planet’s Perry White, who is played in Man of Steel by Laurence Fishburne. We have excerpted it below; the entire letter and report can be found at WTC’s site.

Disasters can bring out the best in human nature, but also uncover the worst. The financial toll is equally enormous, and it is here the darker side is unfortunately revealed. The dust from collapsing buildings had not settled before LexCorp’s infamous Kinetic Assessment Cartel (KAC) were spreading across the city, calculators in hand, tallying the damage and, no doubt, getting a jump on their potential competitors for lucrative post-apocalypse recovery contracts. KAC’s initial estimate of over $750 Billion in direct physical damage is truly astronomical, and probably correct, but not as astronomical as the profits these vultures hope to reap from the city’s misfortune. Of course the city must be rebuilt, but we must say we are disappointed in Mayor Berkowitz for giving LexCorp a sole source contract for this vital task. We suspect the Mayor will regret this contract at some point. With billions more in cleanup, economic impact, and other the total will easily be in the trillions of dollars.

Finally, while we honor the bravery and dedication of our Armed Forces, especially the sacrifice of Col. Hardy in destroying the World Engine, we would be remiss if we did not point out that our military was initially not only ineffective, but the source of considerable unnecessary damage. An assessment of the Battle of Smallville by Dr. Edward Johnson of the University of Metropolis has shown that fully 87% of the damage to Smallville was caused by friendly fire, with billions of dollars of aircraft, satellites, and other hardware lost during the ensuing conflict. Again, we do not fault the courageous airman and soldiers who valiantly fought alien invaders possessed of superhuman strength and vastly superior technology, but our leaders showed failures of judgment and management that will require serious review.

Like really, Superman would be probably banned from earth after that spectacle. Hes not worth the hassle

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Forgot to include the link for the letter the Watson Technical Consulting wrote summarizing the damage which was written like an editorial from Perry White.

This should not be read by those who haven't watched the movie unless they don't mind spoilers...

http://hurricane.methaz.org/tracking/mos_oped.pdf

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

I forgot that the city in the movie really doesn't exist and Kansas doesn't really have anything close to a Metropolis. The whole time I was just thinking NYC

@ comparable to Nagasaki.

 

[noblekane]

I actually didn't mind the killing of Zod. He did what he had to do. I actually would've preferred they changed more about Superman than the killing. He's still too much of a boy scout with no personality. I think they dropped the ball by not taking more risks and reinventing him further.

i think henry did a great job as superman. i do not know why people are saying he was just so so.

its superman. people just want every super hero to act like tony stark. thats not who he is...

 

[blakep267]

I actually didn't mind the killing of Zod. He did what he had to do. I actually would've preferred they changed more about Superman than the killing. He's still too much of a boy scout with no personality. I think they dropped the ball by not taking more risks and reinventing him further.

i think henry did a great job as superman. i do not know why people are saying he was just so so.

its superman. people just want every super hero to act like tony stark. thats not who he is...

Great is a strong word. The only person who did a great job with their role in the movie was Crowe

 

[36Hypno]

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I'm not going to try and re-quote each section from my phone...

1. I made my point pretty clear. Stark's mouthing off was a tactical blunder. You have military personnel who are stronger and faster than him. That's an advantage for them. That's all based off the STORIES that we were provided in the respective movies.

I backed off of using IM3 as an argument because of how bad the writing was and how things don't add up.

2. Since you want to get technical. Molten lava at its lowest temp is about 650C which isn't hot enough to melt metals which have the tensile or compressive strength to withstand the beatings we saw IM take in the Avengers. Furthermore, the human tolerance for heat is around 40C. If they were that hot Tony could not have been within 10 ft of Killian without armor during their fight. So in order for that metal to melt Tony would be dead.

Didn't one of Tony's armors fall apart after getting hit by a bus? That would hold up against what we saw from NamEk or Faora? Right.....

3. Lets talk what we KNOW from these movies. Those blast on the ship incapacitated Kryptonians (for at least a few seconds but we couldn't see) when the ship was switched to Earth's environment. That would make them basically invulnerable right? If those were weak blasts they would have ate them and slapped Lois down. Supes ate one from the ship in Smallville and was down for a bit. I would say they're comparable.

4. We are not talking comics right now so why I would you even attempt to bring up "the extremis arc." I have no need to watch IM3 again, that crapfest is burned into my brain forever just like SM3



Look man. I'm gonna stick to my original post when you posted this nonsense yesterday. You either don't really understand the strength of Kryptonians or you just flat out overhype IM.....or both

I'm done...

 

[rfx45]

Great is a strong word. The only person who did a great job with their role in the movie was Crowe

In your opinion...


Costner was great in the film as well.

 

[blakep267]

Great is a strong word. The only person who did a great job with their role in the movie was Crowe

In your opinion...


Costner was great in the film as well.

yeah, but he was used so sparingly.

and imo, sure. but going at it from an unbiased standpoint, he was the only actor with significant screentime that was memorable.

 

[fresh out dabox]

Let's be real. Hulk by himself could probably take on the three Kryptonians if he gets mad enough.

this

 

[rfx45]

Great is a strong word. The only person who did a great job with their role in the movie was Crowe

In your opinion...


Costner was great in the film as well.

yeah, but he was used so sparingly.

But still delivered a memorable performance, that says something. He was great whenever he was on the screen and I honestly never thought I would ever say that anytime soon.

 

[tay1]

Yeah, I hope they continue to write him struggling with that and finding a middle ground on who to kill and who not to. I hope they're no cop out in the sequel with Clark telling Lois he swears to never kill again or some crap. I know there won't be a lot of Zod level villains to throw out there but imo Parasite is somebody Supes could kill. I think he'd also kill Brainiac with no qualms. He won't kill Luthor though, especially if he goes the propaganda angle.

I think cuz he's on that higher of a power level he's going to be more cautious with who he kills because not every villain will put him in that situation. I think he'll be working hard to prevent those situations. He'll start to find a different way.

Now I've put some thought in to it but you right, they could easily botch this issue and not even bring it up and just have more death and destruction. I mean it is David Goyer writing (don't trust him at all) and I'm not sure Nolan will be around to keep them in check as executive producer.

Exactly. They cant just ignore that by saying oh he had no choice but to kill him because he was going to harm others. That is always going to be the case, so I hope they address that.They just need to get rid of Goyer, he's only okay when he's a co-writer. And I think Snyder said that before they decided to kill Zod, they were going to put him back into the Phantom Zone, but Snyder wanted to kill him, even through Chris Nolan was against it. 

 

[nawghtyhare]

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2. Since you want to get technical. Molten lava at its lowest temp is about 650C which isn't hot enough to melt metals which have the tensile or compressive strength to withstand the beatings we saw IM take in the Avengers. Furthermore, the human tolerance for heat is around 40C. If they were that hot Tony could not have been within 10 ft of Killian without armor during their fight. So in order for that metal to melt Tony would be dead.



I'm done...

But just cause the metal doesn't melt doesn't mean u can't die like wouldn't u get major burns and die from ur skin touch the hot metal like how u can get burn in a fire by you touching a door knob

 

[36Hypno]

But just cause the metal doesn't melt doesn't mean u can't die like wouldn't u get major burns and die from ur skin touch the hot metal like how u can get burn in a fire by you touching a door knob

I was assuming, since he survives missiles, that he has some type if heat suppression system. But at those temps it wouldn't matter so I agree.