MARVEL NETFLIX Thread * RIP STAN LEE - Jessica Jones = Final Season

Mark Antony · Dec 9, 2015

Dude always came off as cranky. Never paid much mind to his real world opinions.

AEA18 · Dec 13, 2015

rfx45 · Dec 14, 2015

In the comics, Daniel is portrayed as a blond Caucasian, but over the past year and a half, a grassroots movement has been growing online to urge Marvel and Netflix to cast an Asian-American actor as the titular superhero. (The idea first caught fire in March 2014 with a post by The Nerds of Color’s Keith Chow, who has continued to champion the cause on the genre blog and its Twitter feed.)

Sources have told The Hollywood Reporter that the clamor actually reached the ears of Marvel and Netflix, who met with Asian-American actors in consideration for the lead, but that the series, which finally revealed its showrunner on Monday (former Dexter executive producer Scott Buck), is now leaning toward keeping Iron Fist white. Marvel declined to comment on that detail.

chrisqo · Dec 14, 2015

no love for Asian super heros smh

KingParappa · Dec 14, 2015

Shame because I know there are loads of Asian actors and its a Netflix show. Take the risk

Master Zik · Dec 14, 2015

He's gonna end up white I figure. I was indifferent at first but the more I think about it, story wise it doesn't make enough sense.

Marvel should just go ahead and promote Shang-Chi, Amadeus Cho, etc.

Get ballsy and introduce the Agents of Atlas and the homey Jimmy Woo :hat

KingParappa · Dec 14, 2015

Master Zik said:
He's gonna end up white I figure. I was indifferent at first but the more I think about it, story wise it doesn't make enough sense.

Marvel should just go ahead and promote Shang-Chi, Amadeus Cho, etc.

Get ballsy and introduce the Agents of Atlas and the homey Jimmy Woo

Amadeus would be nice to drop in there. I wonder what Rick Jones is up to in the MCU

Master Zik · Dec 14, 2015

Rick Jones is the forgotten sidekick/partner of heroes. It's reflected in the comics. Son has no role and would just be in the way. I could easily see him being a nuisance character in the movies.

It'd be cool if they revamped his character a bit and made him a solo superhero different than before given he's such an old character but there are already so many straight white male heroes. There is a unique pitch for the character though.

He could make a cameo in Captain Marvel.

KingParappa · Dec 14, 2015

Too bad his role is not included in any capacity because that would have been a cool Jessica Jones case like in the book

Master Zik · Dec 14, 2015

There's always S2

KingParappa · Dec 14, 2015

He'd have to appear in some movies because the main plot revolved around his book and him being missing

Master Zik · Dec 14, 2015

Yeah I know, there's some time but given he hasn't been rumored any movies next year and S2 will probably start filming soon/next summer maybe? It could be something else. Maybe he shows up on AoS and it goes from here.

The story from the comics would have to be changed a bit.

mastamind033 · Dec 14, 2015

Master Zik said:
He's gonna end up white I figure. I was indifferent at first but the more I think about it, story wise it doesn't make enough sense.

Marvel should just go ahead and promote Shang-Chi, Amadeus Cho, etc.

Get ballsy and introduce the Agents of Atlas and the homey Jimmy Woo

Zik, why do you think it wouldn't make sense story wise with an Asian American?

Master Zik · Dec 15, 2015

MastaMind033 said:
Master Zik said:

He's gonna end up white I figure. I was indifferent at first but the more I think about it, story wise it doesn't make enough sense.

Marvel should just go ahead and promote Shang-Chi, Amadeus Cho, etc.

Get ballsy and introduce the Agents of Atlas and the homey Jimmy Woo

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Zik, why do you think it wouldn't make sense story wise with an Asian American?

Cuz as offensive as many may find it, Danny Rand's story is about this kid who had a crazy rich father that found this mystical immortal city and dragged his fam to go there and after they died due to his business partner being a traitor, Danny survives and is adopted by those ppl and trained in their ways. We've all seen the story but Rand is a stranger in a strange land, he looks different, he's treated differently. Despite that he becomes one of their best fighters and the new Iron Fist. Then he turns his back on those ppl and technically his new role in the immortal city and leaves to NY to get revenge on the man who betrayed his father and caused his parents to die.

It's more subtle of a culture shock or change to see an Asian American person be adopted by an Asian society (albeit made up and mystical) and then try to play up the differences. It's there but not the same when Danny clearly looks different and is different. Keep in mind this happens to Danny when he's like 10 so while he'll have some American culture and customs ingrained in him he's going to be totally open to the ways of the ppl in Kun'lun given his youth and will be raised like them. To me it just doesn't work as well unless they're gonna totally ignore that angle of IF's story.

To make a comparison of a completely made up situation and this is just for the sake of the way I see lets say in Wakanda T'Chaka (T'Challa's father) had adopted a white girl and she grew up in Wakanda. She goes through the same trials and becomes the Black Panther. A huge part of her story is clear that she is not originally Wakandan. She doesn't look like everybody else apart of this African nation. So if they were doing a movie or tv show about that to me it wouldn't be the same to say why can't she be a black American instead.

I feel the whole somebody that looks different and is different in some ways adopting another culture's/society's ways is important to the story of the character.

luckyluchiano · Dec 15, 2015

I thought Iron First was being pushed back so they can push out Punisher faster? Was that rumor or just something I misread?

rolaholic · Dec 15, 2015

Came in here expecting some IF casting news :lol

,I'm disappoint

osh kosh bosh · Dec 15, 2015

Master Zik said:
Cuz as offensive as many may find it, Danny Rand's story is about this kid who had a crazy rich father that found this mystical immortal city and dragged his fam to go there and after they died due to his business partner being a traitor, Danny survives and is adopted by those ppl and trained in their ways. We've all seen the story but Rand is a stranger in a strange land, he looks different, he's treated differently. Despite that he becomes one of their best fighters and the new Iron Fist. Then he turns his back on those ppl and technically his new role in the immortal city and leaves to NY to get revenge on the man who betrayed his father and caused his parents to die.

It's more subtle of a culture shock or change to see an Asian American person be adopted by an Asian society (albeit made up and mystical) and then try to play up the differences. It's there but not the same when Danny clearly looks different and is different. Keep in mind this happens to Danny when he's like 10 so while he'll have some American culture and customs ingrained in him he's going to be totally open to the ways of the ppl in Kun'lun given his youth and will be raised like them. To me it just doesn't work as well unless they're gonna totally ignore that angle of IF's story.

To make a comparison of a completely made up situation and this is just for the sake of the way I see lets say in Wakanda T'Chaka (T'Challa's father) had adopted a white girl and she grew up in Wakanda. She goes through the same trials and becomes the Black Panther. A huge part of her story is clear that she is not originally Wakandan. She doesn't look like everybody else apart of this African nation. So if they were doing a movie or tv show about that to me it wouldn't be the same to say why can't she be a black American instead.

I feel the whole somebody that looks different and is different in some ways adopting another culture's/society's ways is important to the story of the character.

nobody in the mainstream knows anything about Iron Fist history so all of it is subject to change.

and him being Asian American bring up new fresh themes to explore as opposed tot he tired tropes that are baked into the original itron fists origin.

Just seems to me keeping him white is a mistake.

Seems like Netflix shows rely on critical buzz more than regular to get people to make the commitment to bingeing it, keeping him white just courts the wrath of the tv critic intelligentsia who will have their think pieces locked and loaded. :lol

rolaholic · Dec 15, 2015

Dye Shin Koyamada's hair blond and be done with it :lol

Master Zik · Dec 15, 2015

LuckyLuchiano said:
I thought Iron First was being pushed back so they can push out Punisher faster? Was that rumor or just something I misread?

It was just a rumor.

There was a time a while back ppl were trying to make it see a lot of controversy was going on with Marvel tv and Marvel studios back when Feige got more freedom at Disney.

Osh Kosh Bosh said:
nobody in the mainstream knows anything about Iron Fist history so all of it is subject to change.

My opinion on this isn't really based on what other ppl don't know especially in the mainstream. It was just about adapting the comic to netflix. More about the story than how the mainstream will react.

If anything phrasing it like that makes it seem more useless/irrelevant.

I was way more in favor of making the Spidey joining the MCU Miles Morales. If mainstream knowing anything about the hero matters.

and him being Asian American bring up new fresh themes to explore as opposed tot he tired tropes that are baked into the original itron fists origin.

Just seems to me keeping him white is a mistake.

Seems like Netflix shows rely on critical buzz more than regular to get people to make the commitment to bingeing it, keeping him white just courts the wrath of the tv critic intelligentsia who will have their think pieces locked and loaded.

I'm unaware of critic buzz for netflix shows being that focused on race representation. To me netflix shows rely on the shows being actually good and being recognized for that. A great deal of quality regardless of ethnic background. Whether Marvel gets the best white actor or best Asian actor isn't going to change the quality of the show (assuming the writing is good).

Besides at this point I don't think Marvel will take that big of a hit off of keeping Rand white. Marvel has already announced their efforts and some plans to specifically market toward China and other Asian countries (Japan, South Korea, etc.).

I don't think it's smart to take Marvel to task on ppl of color on screen and behind the screen, see their attempts but then needle them on every single instance where they might have had the chance to race change a white hero in to something else.

rfx45 · Dec 15, 2015

Watch them just cast MK for IF :lol

KingParappa · Dec 15, 2015

RFX45 said:
Watch them just cast MK for IF

mikeeeeey · Dec 16, 2015

I just wanna point out that t'challa actually has a adopted white older brother who becomes a villian/assassin named white wolf. View media item 1830149 I wonder if him & klaw will be the villains in that movie.