More Black men are in prison than were enslaved.

[deuce king]

I was talking to some friends and colleagues about this very topic the other day.  As blacks, we make up about 12 or 13% of the US population, but yet instill we make up about 48% of the US jail population.  Very disheartening. 

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by LarryDavidSwag

Originally Posted by rashi



Think about it. Blacks youth have the highest unemployment rate and have been for almost 80 years as a result of legislation. They start working later on than Whites, which puts them behind the 8 ball because they aren't experienced. So now they have to overcome so much more in the work enviroment, on top of a lack of self confidence because the lack of experience and being able to deal with certain situations.

yo, how can you type that, but, im pretty sure, we've gotten into it over white priviledge?
  

I don't believe in the notion of "White privilege". Are people still racist and prejudice? Of course, but the assimilation of Blacks has a lot to do with Institutional barriers more so than because people are racist. I believe a small percentage of people are actually racist, but the people who are are in positions of power are and it makes it seem that way.


Blacks are significantly behind because of the lack of resources that are made available to them, and who's in charge of giving it to them? The same people who segregated schools and other public accommodations, mandated private business to comply with racists laws, suppressed voting rights, ect. ....Your government. Do they supply resources? Yeah they do, but do they have to do it efficiently? No they don't, and why is that? What motive does the federal government have in giving out subsidies? Do you honestly think that bureaucrats really care? And if you say "yes", explain to me why they have to care? What is their incentive? Easy, to lie to you and make sure their $%$#! stay in that position of power.


Civil institutions locally can take care of their own. For example, The Black Panther Party. I may disagree with the Communist influence of the Panthers, but Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver, and Stokely Carmichael were great men and well intentioned. We had a common enemy, the State. My philosophy and theirs are very common, Anti War, pro individual rights, and most of all the U.S. Government. Though the Panthers were inherently Anti-Capitalist, they did Pro-Capitalist endeavors. The biggest Pro-Capitalist things they use to do were "Survival Programs", they were heavily influenced by Mao and read his Little Red Book on what the government should do, but guess what they organized with private donations to feed children in Oakland, run out of churches. Educated people, supplied free medical exams, clothing, provided drug/alcohol rehab. The biggest thing is that they educated the kids, provided books, food, and busing for those kids that couldn't get it. They did it without any help from the government, instead the government put the on COINTELPRO.

I never understood why there is so much distrust of government, but yet people expect them to take care of civility and everyday problems. It all starts with education, but who has a monopoly of education in this country? Oh yeah...

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by LarryDavidSwag

Originally Posted by rashi



Think about it. Blacks youth have the highest unemployment rate and have been for almost 80 years as a result of legislation. They start working later on than Whites, which puts them behind the 8 ball because they aren't experienced. So now they have to overcome so much more in the work enviroment, on top of a lack of self confidence because the lack of experience and being able to deal with certain situations.

yo, how can you type that, but, im pretty sure, we've gotten into it over white priviledge?
  

I don't believe in the notion of "White privilege". Are people still racist and prejudice? Of course, but the assimilation of Blacks has a lot to do with Institutional barriers more so than because people are racist. I believe a small percentage of people are actually racist, but the people who are are in positions of power are and it makes it seem that way.


Blacks are significantly behind because of the lack of resources that are made available to them, and who's in charge of giving it to them? The same people who segregated schools and other public accommodations, mandated private business to comply with racists laws, suppressed voting rights, ect. ....Your government. Do they supply resources? Yeah they do, but do they have to do it efficiently? No they don't, and why is that? What motive does the federal government have in giving out subsidies? Do you honestly think that bureaucrats really care? And if you say "yes", explain to me why they have to care? What is their incentive? Easy, to lie to you and make sure their $%$#! stay in that position of power.


Civil institutions locally can take care of their own. For example, The Black Panther Party. I may disagree with the Communist influence of the Panthers, but Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver, and Stokely Carmichael were great men and well intentioned. We had a common enemy, the State. My philosophy and theirs are very common, Anti War, pro individual rights, and most of all the U.S. Government. Though the Panthers were inherently Anti-Capitalist, they did Pro-Capitalist endeavors. The biggest Pro-Capitalist things they use to do were "Survival Programs", they were heavily influenced by Mao and read his Little Red Book on what the government should do, but guess what they organized with private donations to feed children in Oakland, run out of churches. Educated people, supplied free medical exams, clothing, provided drug/alcohol rehab. The biggest thing is that they educated the kids, provided books, food, and busing for those kids that couldn't get it. They did it without any help from the government, instead the government put the on COINTELPRO.

I never understood why there is so much distrust of government, but yet people expect them to take care of civility and everyday problems. It all starts with education, but who has a monopoly of education in this country? Oh yeah...

 

[sevit86]

there are over 6 BILLION people on this planet right now, of course their are gonna be more people in jail then some old slave ownership statistic 

 

[larrydavidswag]

well, white priviledge as i mean it, more closely relates to the fact that, in this country, due to systematic oppression, merely having white skin gives you an advantage over minorities.

as in,

the CEO of company A, which has been around 200 years, has always been white. Therefore, white applicants are automatically more likely to become CEO than a black counterpart.....just off the sheer facts of the matter alone, no racism or anything like that...

its just the way our society has been arranged and the impact systematic oppression has

it was just weird for me to read such a paragraph from you, when i know you dont believe in white priviledge, yet, the paragraph basically outlines WHY there is a white priviledge.

Blacks are significantly behind because of the lack of resources that are made available to them, and who's in charge of giving it to them? The same people who segregated schools and other public accommodations, mandated private business to comply with racists laws, suppressed voting rights, ect. ....Your government.

which is the result of systematic oppression....


see, you're saying "your government" but it wasnt "my" government....it was 100 percent white men, who, at the time, were 98 percent racist and prejudice....

MY government maybe very very very very very close to that government, but by no means do i consider THAT government MY government...

i see what you're saying tho...you attribute it to GOVERNMENT whereas i attribute it to RACISTS who happened to be in government...

 

[larrydavidswag]

well, white priviledge as i mean it, more closely relates to the fact that, in this country, due to systematic oppression, merely having white skin gives you an advantage over minorities.

as in,

the CEO of company A, which has been around 200 years, has always been white. Therefore, white applicants are automatically more likely to become CEO than a black counterpart.....just off the sheer facts of the matter alone, no racism or anything like that...

its just the way our society has been arranged and the impact systematic oppression has

it was just weird for me to read such a paragraph from you, when i know you dont believe in white priviledge, yet, the paragraph basically outlines WHY there is a white priviledge.

Blacks are significantly behind because of the lack of resources that are made available to them, and who's in charge of giving it to them? The same people who segregated schools and other public accommodations, mandated private business to comply with racists laws, suppressed voting rights, ect. ....Your government.

which is the result of systematic oppression....


see, you're saying "your government" but it wasnt "my" government....it was 100 percent white men, who, at the time, were 98 percent racist and prejudice....

MY government maybe very very very very very close to that government, but by no means do i consider THAT government MY government...

i see what you're saying tho...you attribute it to GOVERNMENT whereas i attribute it to RACISTS who happened to be in government...

 

[sevit86]

there are over 6 BILLION people on this planet right now, of course their are gonna be more people in jail then some old slave ownership statistic 

 

[willy hitchero]

Predictions:

-12 pages

-enPHAN gives ya'll the what's what, but does it in such a way as to piss off more people than he enlightens.

-Anton somehow brings God into this debate via a small forgotten back door portal to Outworld. It'll have something to do with oppressors using religion to subjugate slaves...then it'll morph into a rant on Manifest Destiny..lastly it will circle back around to his original point that God is the utmost evil (Which somehow contradicts his alignment with satanism). We'll all be left wondering where that came from.

 

[willy hitchero]

Predictions:

-12 pages

-enPHAN gives ya'll the what's what, but does it in such a way as to piss off more people than he enlightens.

-Anton somehow brings God into this debate via a small forgotten back door portal to Outworld. It'll have something to do with oppressors using religion to subjugate slaves...then it'll morph into a rant on Manifest Destiny..lastly it will circle back around to his original point that God is the utmost evil (Which somehow contradicts his alignment with satanism). We'll all be left wondering where that came from.

 

[stacksblowinpurp]

kinda crazy but not too surprising unfortunately

 

[stacksblowinpurp]

kinda crazy but not too surprising unfortunately

 

[jthagreat]

postin to view later

 

[jthagreat]

postin to view later

 

[larrydavidswag]

Originally Posted by Willy Hitchero

Predictions:

-12 pages

-enPHAN gives ya'll the what's what, but does it in such a way as to piss off more people than he enlightens.

-Anton somehow brings God into this debate via a small forgotten back door portal to Outworld. It'll have something to do with oppressors using religion to subjugate slaves...then it'll morph into a rant on Manifest Destiny..lastly it will circle back around to his original point that God is the utmost evil (Which somehow contradicts his alignment with satanism). We'll all be left wondering where that came from.

  

 

[larrydavidswag]

Originally Posted by Willy Hitchero

Predictions:

-12 pages

-enPHAN gives ya'll the what's what, but does it in such a way as to piss off more people than he enlightens.

-Anton somehow brings God into this debate via a small forgotten back door portal to Outworld. It'll have something to do with oppressors using religion to subjugate slaves...then it'll morph into a rant on Manifest Destiny..lastly it will circle back around to his original point that God is the utmost evil (Which somehow contradicts his alignment with satanism). We'll all be left wondering where that came from.

  

 

[rashi]

well, white priviledge as i mean it, more closely relates to the fact that, in this country, due to systematic oppression, merely having white skin gives you an advantage over minorities.

as in,

the CEO of company A, which has been around 200 years, has always been white. Therefore, white applicants are automatically more likely to become CEO than a black counterpart.....just off the sheer facts of the matter alone, no racism or anything like that...

its just the way our society has been arranged and the impact systematic oppression has
it was just weird for me to read such a paragraph from you, when i know you dont believe in white priviledge, yet, the paragraph basically outlines WHY there is a white priviledge.

That isn't systemic if its a CEO of a company, that's a private matter. I'm White, my wife is Hispanic. I won't date White women, because I have a preference. So is my wife my wife because of Hispanic privilege? It's totally my personal preference to date Hispanic women.

The difference in our belief is that its "systemic", its really not. Institutional racism is systemic, meaning the system we call making laws to make racists laws is a systemic issue.

i see what you're saying tho...you attribute it to GOVERNMENT whereas i attribute it to RACISTS who happened to be in government...


Hence, where I put in my previous post:

I believe a small percentage of people are actually racist, but the people who are are in positions of power are and it makes it seem that way.

 

[rashi]

well, white priviledge as i mean it, more closely relates to the fact that, in this country, due to systematic oppression, merely having white skin gives you an advantage over minorities.

as in,

the CEO of company A, which has been around 200 years, has always been white. Therefore, white applicants are automatically more likely to become CEO than a black counterpart.....just off the sheer facts of the matter alone, no racism or anything like that...

its just the way our society has been arranged and the impact systematic oppression has
it was just weird for me to read such a paragraph from you, when i know you dont believe in white priviledge, yet, the paragraph basically outlines WHY there is a white priviledge.

That isn't systemic if its a CEO of a company, that's a private matter. I'm White, my wife is Hispanic. I won't date White women, because I have a preference. So is my wife my wife because of Hispanic privilege? It's totally my personal preference to date Hispanic women.

The difference in our belief is that its "systemic", its really not. Institutional racism is systemic, meaning the system we call making laws to make racists laws is a systemic issue.

i see what you're saying tho...you attribute it to GOVERNMENT whereas i attribute it to RACISTS who happened to be in government...


Hence, where I put in my previous post:

I believe a small percentage of people are actually racist, but the people who are are in positions of power are and it makes it seem that way.

 

[sundoobie]

Originally Posted by sevit86

there are over 6 BILLION people on this planet right now, of course their are gonna be more people in jail then some old slave ownership statistic 

 No kidding.  I mean how stupid is this article... comparing population statistics from 1850 to 2011?  Well gee the entire population of America in 1850 was what? 23 million? What was the census in 2010? Over 300,000,000 

  %+!$!

 

[sundoobie]

Originally Posted by sevit86

there are over 6 BILLION people on this planet right now, of course their are gonna be more people in jail then some old slave ownership statistic 

 No kidding.  I mean how stupid is this article... comparing population statistics from 1850 to 2011?  Well gee the entire population of America in 1850 was what? 23 million? What was the census in 2010? Over 300,000,000 

  %+!$!

 

[eashawty]

that %%#! crazy, on another note i just found out a dude i grew up wit got sentenced to 30 years last week

 

[eashawty]

that %%#! crazy, on another note i just found out a dude i grew up wit got sentenced to 30 years last week

 

[larrydavidswag]

Originally Posted by rashi

well, white priviledge as i mean it, more closely relates to the fact that, in this country, due to systematic oppression, merely having white skin gives you an advantage over minorities.

as in,

the CEO of company A, which has been around 200 years, has always been white. Therefore, white applicants are automatically more likely to become CEO than a black counterpart.....just off the sheer facts of the matter alone, no racism or anything like that...

its just the way our society has been arranged and the impact systematic oppression has
it was just weird for me to read such a paragraph from you, when i know you dont believe in white priviledge, yet, the paragraph basically outlines WHY there is a white priviledge.

That isn't systemic if its a CEO of a company, that's a private matter. I'm White, my wife is Hispanic. I won't date White women, because I have a preference. So is my wife my wife because of Hispanic privilege? It's totally my personal preference to date Hispanic women.

The difference in our belief is that its "systemic", its really not. Institutional racism is systemic, meaning the system we call making laws to make racists laws is a systemic issue.

i see what you're saying tho...you attribute it to GOVERNMENT whereas i attribute it to RACISTS who happened to be in government...


Hence, where I put in my previous post:

I believe a small percentage of people are actually racist, but the people who are are in positions of power are and it makes it seem that way.





eh, a white racial preference, unfortunately, is a black prejudice...(and everything else not white)

this wasnt just the CEO's preference...or the private companies preference....this was a system-wide code....from the birth of this country to the implimentation of affirmative action (which was absolutely the only way to force these people to stop being prejudice in their hiring practices)

your dating preference is completely different from the hiring practices of a company. There is no law stating you must give white women equal opportunity to date you, there is, however, a law that says a company has to give every applicant an equal opportunity regardless of race and creed.

its funny that anytime i make a comparison for the sake of the argument, you meticulously pick it apart, but when YOU do the same thing, they fall apart on their own....

who you date is much different from an entire country's prejudiced hiring practices which were cultivated and developed through systematic oppression and racism....

im referencing systematic oppression and racism only to argue that it's effects (and some are still in effect) are still prevailant today. You can literally see the outcomes of the system's efforts...i just quoted the paragraph in which you fully and articulately explain SOME of the results of that systematic oppression and racism, which is why it actually surprised me.

eh, i disagree, i know MANY people in NO position of power who are racist. Im from columbus, ohio.....i dont even look black, i look white or hispanic/central american....i've been called %@#*%% plenty of times....when i was arrested, noone asked for my race, i was called in as a black male.

i think when racism resides inside those people of power, it is INTENSIFIED, tho.....and it does make it seem more widespread then it really may be...

but to say "a very little amount of people are racist" is insulting.....

i mean, just 3 years ago at The Ohio State University, some kids changed the little fast food sign-type of banner on one of our lecture halls to say "WELCOME, #@#*%%$"

i mean, it is what it is. it is good to finally find some common ground between us, tho. you were rapidly approaching my least favorite NTer...

 

[larrydavidswag]

Originally Posted by rashi

well, white priviledge as i mean it, more closely relates to the fact that, in this country, due to systematic oppression, merely having white skin gives you an advantage over minorities.

as in,

the CEO of company A, which has been around 200 years, has always been white. Therefore, white applicants are automatically more likely to become CEO than a black counterpart.....just off the sheer facts of the matter alone, no racism or anything like that...

its just the way our society has been arranged and the impact systematic oppression has
it was just weird for me to read such a paragraph from you, when i know you dont believe in white priviledge, yet, the paragraph basically outlines WHY there is a white priviledge.

That isn't systemic if its a CEO of a company, that's a private matter. I'm White, my wife is Hispanic. I won't date White women, because I have a preference. So is my wife my wife because of Hispanic privilege? It's totally my personal preference to date Hispanic women.

The difference in our belief is that its "systemic", its really not. Institutional racism is systemic, meaning the system we call making laws to make racists laws is a systemic issue.

i see what you're saying tho...you attribute it to GOVERNMENT whereas i attribute it to RACISTS who happened to be in government...


Hence, where I put in my previous post:

I believe a small percentage of people are actually racist, but the people who are are in positions of power are and it makes it seem that way.





eh, a white racial preference, unfortunately, is a black prejudice...(and everything else not white)

this wasnt just the CEO's preference...or the private companies preference....this was a system-wide code....from the birth of this country to the implimentation of affirmative action (which was absolutely the only way to force these people to stop being prejudice in their hiring practices)

your dating preference is completely different from the hiring practices of a company. There is no law stating you must give white women equal opportunity to date you, there is, however, a law that says a company has to give every applicant an equal opportunity regardless of race and creed.

its funny that anytime i make a comparison for the sake of the argument, you meticulously pick it apart, but when YOU do the same thing, they fall apart on their own....

who you date is much different from an entire country's prejudiced hiring practices which were cultivated and developed through systematic oppression and racism....

im referencing systematic oppression and racism only to argue that it's effects (and some are still in effect) are still prevailant today. You can literally see the outcomes of the system's efforts...i just quoted the paragraph in which you fully and articulately explain SOME of the results of that systematic oppression and racism, which is why it actually surprised me.

eh, i disagree, i know MANY people in NO position of power who are racist. Im from columbus, ohio.....i dont even look black, i look white or hispanic/central american....i've been called %@#*%% plenty of times....when i was arrested, noone asked for my race, i was called in as a black male.

i think when racism resides inside those people of power, it is INTENSIFIED, tho.....and it does make it seem more widespread then it really may be...

but to say "a very little amount of people are racist" is insulting.....

i mean, just 3 years ago at The Ohio State University, some kids changed the little fast food sign-type of banner on one of our lecture halls to say "WELCOME, #@#*%%$"

i mean, it is what it is. it is good to finally find some common ground between us, tho. you were rapidly approaching my least favorite NTer...

 

[snaggykicks]

Smh but people make there own choices

 

[snaggykicks]

Smh but people make there own choices