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[/td] [/tr][/table]Clearly you're on drugs. Please, please elaborate...
No, my man...CLEARLY ur ******ed.
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[/td] [/tr][/table]Clearly you're on drugs. Please, please elaborate...
No, my man...CLEARLY ur ******ed.
Originally Posted by antj2k2
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No, my man...CLEARLY ur ******ed.
Yeah I am, for even responding to someone who calls one of the greatest players in the history of basketball the most overrated player today, but yet can't articulate a single reason except to call someone ******ed.
You're right son...proceed.
know im right...u aint have to say that. Theres no reason to argue with something as ridiculous as Allen Iverson being one of the greatest players in history. He's fast, got crazy handle, he's great at layups, and good at stealing lazy passes from the other team...other than that, name something else that he does well efficiently. (oh yeah i guess hes a pretty good free throw shooter).
What in the hell are you talking about?Iverson isn't one of the greatest of this era?
I think people are being kinda hard on the guy who called Kidd overrated. I wouldn't call him the most overrated player in the league today, but at this point in his career, it's pretty clear that people are hyping him up a little more than he should be.
Take his near triple-double average for instance. Everyone's pointing at it as the reason why Kidd just can't be overrated, but look at the efficiency at which he gets them and how he gets them. On the season, he's shooting a horrific 36.7%. I mean, really? Kidd's never been a high percentage shooter, but 37% from the the floor is just absurd. To put that in perspective, everyone's been going on about how Durant's been shooting poorly and taking such bad shots, but even he's been beating Kidd with his 40.2% from the field.
And then look at his turnovers, which are currently at 3.8 a game. That's over a full turnover per game more than last season. The only person in the league who averages more is Wade, and Wade doesn't even have players of VC and RJ's caliber for opposing defenses to focus on. He's not taking care of the ball nearly as well as he should be.
The problem is that people are looking purely at his body of work over his career, and at just his plain numbers without evaluating them further. While he's still very good, he's definitely not the player he once was. But that being said, I wouldn't vote for Kidd as the most overrated. He's still a top five point guard in the league. The way some of you guys are claiming that he's still the best though would make that guy's case for calling Kidd the most overrated.
Personally, at this point, I think CP3, Nash, Deron, and Baron are above Kidd right now.
Let me start by saying, I am not NBA journalist, but I'm pretty sure if every superstar that doesn't play the 1 were asked KIDD would befirst on their list when you look at his game as a whole.
Nash is a beneficiary of his system and the worst starting defender in the NBA. he takes my nod for most overrated though he is very good
CP3 and Deron are too young to make that statement. Deron is having a slight fall off from what I thought he'd be
Baron is the most rediculous shot taker in the world and only plays defense when he wants to which isnt often
Even looking this year, Kidd obviously isn't a good shooter, but he doesn't even shoot ALOT. He just sits and shoots 3s. Even with that said, thisman is a TIER 1 defending PG. Distributes the ball great. Rebounds, hustles, etc.
at that other cat saying his defense was overrated. This man is the floor general and is a PG who holds the best player every night. From 1-3 slot. Name another PG that can run the floor and distribute, rebound, and still play good D. When the game is on the line and he needs a defensive stop, Kidd willget the job done.
Funny cuz I remember when Jose Calderon gave the nets like 20something in the playoffs and dudes was in my ear the whole game bout how Kidd was gettingtorched. Kidd was literally just letting him shoot all game. I am a firm believer in if you are going to beat us with Calderon, I am happy with keeping Boshout the flow of the game and letting this (also overrated) PG shoot all day because when crunch time comes, you're going to go to the "hot" handin Calderon. They did this and Kidd automatically put the chains on him for the last few posessions. Calderon turning the ball over and getting ripped.
Kidd is the best PG in the league right now. I'd entertain alot of others, but he is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from overrated. He should have an MVP trophy anddoesn't.
The defense rests...Originally Posted by antj2k2
Iverson
Report Clearly you're on drugs. Please, please elaborate...
No, my man...CLEARLY ur ******ed.
Yeah I am, for even responding to someone who calls one of the greatest players in the history of basketball the most overrated player today, but yet can't articulate a single reason except to call someone ******ed.
You're right son...proceed.
Originally Posted by indohan
^^ I believe what you've heard is wrong. Nobody is better talent than Michael Jordan.
Nobody is a better passer than Magic Johnson (that includes Stockton too even though Stock has more assists).
But James definitely is a great talent in the new millennium. The best scorer in the league right now is Kobe Bryant.
I'm from LA and NOT A FAN OF KOBE, but I have to admit, Kobe is the best scoring player in the league right now.
But he has all the right be highly rated, he's a MVP candidates this season.
Bron finger injury = Cavs lose and lose and lose.
Bron is back = Cavs wins, wins, lose sometimes, but win again....
Originally Posted by BallinBoykz
This thread has convinced me that nobody on NT knows the game of basketball, and thinks that the player they hate the most is overrated for some apparent reason.
If I were to pick the most overrated, Steve Francis tops my list. No question. Second, I would have Zach. Sure, he puts up 20/10, but it comes at the expense of the team. But im not saying anymore because everybody else has such valid arguements that I will be proven wrong.
Originally Posted by bonafide hustla
Let me start by saying, I am not NBA journalist, but I'm pretty sure if every superstar that doesn't play the 1 were asked KIDD would be first on their list when you look at his game as a whole.
One side of the argument is that Nash is a beneficiary of the system he plays in. The other side is that he IS the system he plays in. I don'tknow if you've seen the Suns play without Nash, but everything becomes stagnant and they look like trash. As far as Paul and Deron go, I really don'tsee why their age should factor in. We're not talking about their overall careers. If we were, you'd hear no argument from me if you said Kidd is thebest PG. Only thing is though, we're talking about right NOW. And right NOW, I'd definitely take all of those other guys before Kidd. They all have theability to make plays and find the open guy at or nearly at Kidd's level, and they're doing it more efficiently as well. And, contrary to yourassertion, Deron hasn't "fallen off". He's averaging 19 and 9 while shooting above 50% from the field. If that's "falling off",I'm sure there are about 25 other teams in the league that wish their PGs would fall off.Originally Posted by bonafide hustla
Nash is a beneficiary of his system and the worst starting defender in the NBA. he takes my nod for most overrated though he is very good
CP3 and Deron are too young to make that statement. Deron is having a slight fall off from what I thought he'd be
Baron is the most rediculous shot taker in the world and only plays defense when he wants to which isnt often
Even looking this year, Kidd obviously isn't a good shooter, but he doesn't even shoot ALOT. He just sits and shoots 3s. Even with that said, this man is a TIER 1 defending PG. Distributes the ball great. Rebounds, hustles, etc.
Chris Paul. And don't tell me Paul's a bad rebounder and say it's because he averages four a game while Kidd averages eight. Paul hasChandler and David West gobbling a bunch of potential boards. Kidd has... who? Josh Boone?Originally Posted by bonafide hustla
at that other cat saying his defense was overrated. This man is the floor general and is a PG who holds the best player every night. From 1-3 slot. Name another PG that can run the floor and distribute, rebound, and still play good D. When the game is on the line and he needs a defensive stop, Kidd will get the job done.
I'm not saying Kidd's a bad defender, but you could really use a better argument. "YEAH KIDD GOT TORCHED ALL GAME BY CALDERON ANDTHEN GOT ONE STOP AT THE END SEE HE'S A GOOD DEFENDER!" isn't exactly making your point.Originally Posted by bonafide hustla
Funny cuz I remember when Jose Calderon gave the nets like 20something in the playoffs and dudes was in my ear the whole game bout how Kidd was getting torched. Kidd was literally just letting him shoot all game. I am a firm believer in if you are going to beat us with Calderon, I am happy with keeping Bosh out the flow of the game and letting this (also overrated) PG shoot all day because when crunch time comes, you're going to go to the "hot" hand in Calderon. They did this and Kidd automatically put the chains on him for the last few posessions. Calderon turning the ball over and getting ripped.
andat a 6"10 power forward who shoots more 3's than free throws in a season
and@ how DoubleJs07 put the Knicks players on blast
Q....this dude keeps getting fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter....
Originally Posted by l FR3SH l
Second, I would have Zach. Sure, he puts up 20/10, but it comes at the expense of the team.
Sadly, I agree, and I still like the guy I lot, but you need to look no further than Portland's success this season for proof. Addition bysubtraction. If he can somehow "get it" and completely change his mentality than I think there's still some hope for him, his instincts and toucharound the hoop can be second to none.
What in the hell are you talking about?Iverson isn't one of the greatest of this era?
wat in the hell are u smoking? NO!
Originally Posted by antj2k2
What in the hell are you talking about?Iverson isn't one of the greatest of this era?
Lebronze James
All HYPE !
Built by NIKE, BSPN, & David Stern.
wow, just wow
typical that he is a laker fan
in a sense, all the superstars in the NBA are overrated. you can thank the media and fans (only nuthuggers and homers, no unbiased fans).
I couldn't agree more......