NBA Statistics: The Case For APG

[andrew630]

Is it just me or are all you guys seeing this too? Sometimes when I watch these perennial guards dish out dimes night in and night out, I feel like theirassists are tracked rather inaccurately. I know you only get the assist if you pass it to a player and they shoot it right away or if they are passing it to aplayer moving towards the basket. However, some players are credited with assists, when the shooter ends up doing most of the work to free up his own shot.It's great for fantasy leagues, but I feel the APG column is inflated and should be smoothed out to track the stats more precisely (don't know if thatis possible). I don't know why I haven't really noticed until now. And after finding about the Nick Van Exel controversy, it further solidifies mysuspicions. The steals category is pretty fishy too, please discuss.

 

[703flipfiend]

Yup, basketball stats are a little too subjective and easily manipulated.

 

[andrew630]

I wouldn't say all stats are subjective and easily manipulated.

You hit a free throw, you get a point. You score a basket, you score two. You score from beyond the arc, you get three. And that's that. The only thingthat disproves the PPG category is the talent and coaching scheme around the certain player. A lot of overpaid players because of this statistic, but puttingup 20 PPG is pretty impressive.

Rebounds and blocks are pretty solid stats, just depends on line-ups sometimes (but that's all part of strategy). Even when average 10+ RPG doesn'tguarantee a massive contract.

Then there is FG%, FT%, and 3PFG% which are pretty easy to analyze.

Then there are people who over-analyze these statistics with 40 and 48 pers etc. etc. etc.

 

[RyGuy45]

http://www.niketalk.com/topic/199012

 

[anygivensunday]

whats the nick van exel controversy?

 

[andrew630]

23 assists in one night, tying magic's record. but someone admitted to giving him the wrong stats

 

[703flipfiend]

Right. I was referring to the steals and assists aspect of the game that you highlighted. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[shaft]

Don't you get an assist if you pass to a guy that takes one dribble and scores a basket, too?

 

[the gr8]

Originally Posted by Andrew630

23 assists in one night, tying magic's record. but someone admitted to giving him the wrong stats

Didnt Ramon Sessions get something to around that one night? I mean i know Duhon had 22 vs Golden State least season...

I am 99% sure that Scott Skiles holds the record for single assists in one game with like some # in the 30s or some ###%

 

[julian wright]

Originally Posted by THE GR8

Originally Posted by Andrew630

23 assists in one night, tying magic's record. but someone admitted to giving him the wrong stats

Didnt Ramon Sessions get something to around that one night? I mean i know Duhon had 22 vs Golden State least season...

I am 99% sure that Scott Skiles holds the record for single assists in one game with like some # in the 30s or some ###%

Ramon Sessions got 24.

Scott Skiles holds the record for 30. Which is why he's always blackballing Ramon Sessions.

 

[my toy soldier]

Ramon Sessions got 24.

Scott Skiles holds the record for 30. Which is why he's always blackballing Ramon Sessions.

 

[truthteller]

Just ask NASH what inflated assist #'s can do for you.

Hes an ALL-TIMER now after being AVERAGE, other than those run&gun PHX teams.

 

[the gr8]

Originally Posted by Julian Wright

Originally Posted by THE GR8

Originally Posted by Andrew630

23 assists in one night, tying magic's record. but someone admitted to giving him the wrong stats

Didnt Ramon Sessions get something to around that one night? I mean i know Duhon had 22 vs Golden State least season...

I am 99% sure that Scott Skiles holds the record for single assists in one game with like some # in the 30s or some ###%

Ramon Sessions got 24.

Scott Skiles holds the record for 30. Which is why he's always blackballing Ramon Sessions.

word, i thought it was some #++% like that... Where did this Magic Johnson 23 come from??

 

[truthteller]

Calm down, magics record is probly a LAKER RECORD.

 

[the gr8]

Originally Posted by truthteller

Calm down, magics record is probly a LAKER RECORD.

ohhh true, good looks. I was jw chill out homie, and he didnt write that it was a Laker record before

 

[pharelfor3]

Skiles had as many assists as he had kids.

 

[nycknicks105]

Well, this is what an assist is considered: If a player passes the ball to someone and they use one dribble to either shoot the ball or score, then the playerwho passed the ball gets the assist.

Now, if the player who received the pass takes more thank 1 dribble than, there is no assist granted.

Example of an assist: Center sets a high screen and and the ball handler uses the screen and pass out to the center. Center pump fakes, takes a dribble andscores.

Example of no assist: Guard is on top of the key, passes it to the wing and guard receives the pass utilizes a screen and attacks the basket to score a lay up.

I wouldn't be surprised if the APG category is inflated.

 

[kdawg]

Originally Posted by shaft

Don't you get an assist if you pass to a guy that takes one dribble and scores a basket, too?

I thought you were allowed 2 dribbles.

 

[dmoney82]

What I want to know is MJ came back for the Wizards with a career average of 30 ppg, he averaged well under 20 ppg in two years with Wizards. How is it thathis career average is still 30ppg?

 

[kdawg]

^ that's not the sort of thing you can change though. That's just because he only played 142 games those seasons - and although he scored less pointsit only dropped his overall scoring a little.

I just did some quick sums from nba.com and if you take off the Wizards games and points and divide them you get 31.5 ppg - as opposed to 30.1 with them inthere. It did drop - but not as much as if he'd played 10 seasons at that level.

 

[Pmighty]

Originally Posted by anygivensunday

whats the nick van exel controversy?

 

[dmoney82]

What's up with the Nick Van exel story?