NFL Legal Thread: Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson DV cases

[cedric ceballos]

I get that, its unfortunate though. Ive seen the outrage directed towards the 49ers handling with McDonald and I just find it rediculous that their getting ridiculed for choosing to let all the facts come out before making a decision rather then let outside voices dictate their affairs.

I do feel Budweisers decision is extremely financially driven though. If I recall correctly, leonard little killed a woman while driving drunk and later got another DUI a few years later. This happened in St Louis, smack in the middle of Budweiser country. I don't recall hearing a peep from them about the minimal punishment he got either from the NFL or the legal system.

 

[don ramon]

rude? possibly

ignorant? hardly

i know how to express myself quite well. you on the other hand... don't think you deserve the respect you think you're entitled to as i find your rant(s) unfocused as well as offensive

not gonna go back and forth with you so have at it

 

[cedric ceballos]

Cute.

Funny how you ignored the legitimate questions I asked. I wouldn't call a dismissive passive aggressive approach knowing how to express ones self well.

What makes what I'm saying a rant and what your saying be the end all be all. I asked some legitimate questions which perhaps you aren't capable of answering.

 

[100027]

your reaction to my post is pure opinion and your dismissive approach to anything you disagree with says alot about you. you come across as very rude and ignorant and don't know how to express yourself in a proper manner.

should a star player miss a big game off of a mere accusation? answer that,  if so it opens up the floodgates for that to potentially be abused.    

domestic violence has been going on for years.  it didn't all of a sudden become wrong and bad now.  it's been bad, so why all the outrage and demands now all of a sudden?  answer that.

what's so hard about giving a person their day in court, let the chips fall how they may.  if the player is proven guilty, let the justice system punish them and let the NFL punish them how they see fit

"Why should we treat it seriously now if we never treated it seriously before?"

Just weak.

 

[cedric ceballos]

"Why should we treat it seriously now if we never treated it seriously before?"

Just weak.

What part of letting someone have their day in court, letting the chips fall as they may and punishing them accordingly equates to not taking it seriously?

What happens when a player suspended who was treated as guilty and thrown under the bus is ultimately found innocent? The damage done to their good name in the court of public opinion can't be undone.

Only thing ill say is that players need to avoid putting themselves in potential hazardous situations to begin with though.

 

[jjs07]

Just reserve a spot in this thread for Jameis Winson.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

damn

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Man I still can't get over this dude saying a beer company has no moral ground to stand on because some people get violent when they choose to drink.

Like that literally made no sense.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Where did I say they have no moral ground to stand on? They can say whatever they want, but their intent isn't genuine, its financially driven, so I can't respect them trying to bark orders at the NFL when they sell a product that contributes to around 75000 deaths a year in this country. Also, around 80% of child abuse cases are associated with alcohol and the use of other drugs. Yeah Budweiser are some damn hypocrites to be talking about a "moral code"

Can you answer me why they didn't speak out or complain when leonard little killed someone while drunk? Why not when he got his second DUI? Why not when Dante stallworth ran someone over, regardless that the guy was jaywalking and stallworth was barely over the limit, why not when hernandez did his thing last year, why not when vick was killing dogs, why not when players were beating their wives year in year out before this?

Be honest with me here, cut the crap and don't argue just to argue. Do you really think Budweiser is acting the way they are from a moral perspective or a financial perspective?

 

[nooera]

Were yall aware that Peyton sexually assaulted one of his trainers in college ? And she got a 300k settlement to leave the school ?

 

[do work son]

Where did I say they have no moral ground to stand on?

But the original point went over your head I see. Beer companies are the last people who should be on a moral soapbox....

Right about there.

If the only point you were going to make was "their outrage is more money driven than moral driven" it wouldn't have been at all controversial and no one would have disagreed. I think it's quite clear that they're doing this to separate themselves from it and make it look like they're taking a stand. it's all posturing for the public.

You lost me when you started with the, "they shouldn't say anything, their products lead to this behavior". Of course the effects of alcohol have lead to people committing those types of crimes, but you have to blame the people not the alcohol. It's silly imo to say "Ray Rice hit his girlfriend because they were drunk and fighting. We need to do something about the alcohol company".

 

[dmxfury]

Name a for profit company that doesn't base their decisions off financial motives and I'll show you one that isn't in business anymore.

Of course their motive is money, and it should be

 

[cedric ceballos]

Right about there.

If the only point you were going to make was "their outrage is more money driven than moral driven" it wouldn't have been at all controversial and no one would have disagreed. I think it's quite clear that they're doing this to separate themselves from it and make it look like they're taking a stand. it's all posturing for the public.

You lost me when you started with the, "they shouldn't say anything, their products lead to this behavior". Of course the effects of alcohol have lead to people committing those types of crimes, but you have to blame the people not the alcohol. It's silly imo to say "Ray Rice hit his girlfriend because they were drunk and fighting. We need to do something about the alcohol company".

Ultimately when someone does something stupid it falls on them. I'm not denying that. But when you have a product that (yes when abused and consumed excessively, can lead to death and health problems, and also can contribute to people acting violent) barking moral orders is terrible look when perhaps they should look in the mirror.

I do feel its pot calling kettle black and arrogance on budweisers part though and I don't see anything wrong with feeling that way.

And lets be real here, if they cut their deal with the NFL, miller or coors would swoop in and sponsor the NFL.

And for the record, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on this. If you don't agree with me on it, that's totally fine with me.

 

[do work son]

We'll just agree to disagree. I know their "outrage" is financially driven which I have no problem with. I don't agree with "their product can lead to this, so they probably shouldn't do this". Gun companies aren't responsible for school shootings, alcohol companies aren't responsible for domestic violence and child abuse. Also, I'm pretty sure beer companies all advocate driving responsibly as well.