NFL Quarterbacks Discussion thread: 2013 Edition

JAYFIEND said:
It's like one day Jay wakes up a top 10 QB...

Other days, not so much. :rollin
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This is why i don't think as highly of Jay as i used to. Guy will absolutely annihilate the lions and then be trash against the pack. I don't get it, both defenses are nothing to write home about. Its gotta be the blood sugar or something. Im only kidding, kind of. 8o
 
CP1708 said:
651, front and center.

Explain yourself.

#Favre
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What you want? An all-time ranking? I have no idea right now, but all I said was at a certain point in the mid to late 90's, there was talk that with continued achievements he would make his case for best ever. That's all.
 
Off the top of my head without breaking it all down, 6-7ish?

I'm watchin that video you posted, the first two minutes are him talking, another minute calling out plays at the line, then some nice throws, along with a throw that a viking player dropped, which hit his receivers leg, and then ankle, and then head, before he caught it, laying down, TD Favre. :lol

I like the guy, he was certainly fun and entertaining, but I never saw him approaching GOAT status. His MVP's remind me a lot of the Nash MVP's, not that he wasn't great, but that the media loved him and his narrative moreso than how "valuable" he was.

You couldn't prove to me that Favre was more VALUABLE than Reggie White on that roster, but Reggie doesn't get the numbers, or the smiles and jumping around after TD's that Brett does, therefore, one is MVP, the other is merely a HOFer and that's it. I don't put a lot of value in big smiles and high fives with Warren Sapp, etc.


Shred me, go on ahead everyone. :lol
 
651akathePaul said:
CP1708 said:
651, front and center.

Explain yourself.

#Favre
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What you want? An all-time ranking? I have no idea right now, but all I said was at a certain point in the mid to late 90's, there was talk that with continued achievements he would make his case for best ever. That's all.
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Talk from whom? I remember none of that. Refresh my memory. And if you say John Madden I will kick your throat.
 
**** man...You want me to go back and research **** from 1997?

I'm talking things I remember from like pregame shows and the sports reporters and **** like that.
 
Well...:lol

If work gets slow enough...It's Friday!!! These guys know I'm all about my football.
 
651akathePaul said:
 
CP1708 said:
651, front and center.

Explain yourself.

#Favre
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What you want? An all-time ranking? I have no idea right now, but all I said was at a certain point in the mid to late 90's, there was talk that with continued achievements he would make his case for best ever. That's all.
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Agreed.  He had the records or he had alot of records well within reach.  He had the MVP's, the longevity aspect (Cal Ripken of football to many in the media), had the Super Bowl ring, combined with the countless number of comebacks, and great moments in NFL history and everything.  There was definitely talk of him being the soon to be GOAT at a point in time.  Just the way his career ended and the manner it did kind brought that statement down. 
 
I have lunch in a couple hours, I'll speak on some stuff I have down. (Aka, spreadsheets :lol ).

Fraij was a fan, but has Rodgers now, maybe he'll have somethin for us.
 
Deuce King said:
651akathePaul said:
 
CP1708 said:
651, front and center.


Explain yourself.


#Favre
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What you want? An all-time ranking? I have no idea right now, but all I said was at a certain point in the mid to late 90's, there was talk that with continued achievements he would make his case for best ever. That's all.
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Agreed.  He had the records or he had alot of records well within reach.  He had the MVP's, the longevity aspect (Cal Ripken of football to many in the media), had the Super Bowl ring, combined with the countless number of comebacks, and great moments in NFL history and everything.  There was definitely talk of him being the soon to be GOAT at a point in time.  Just the way his career ended and the manner it did kind brought that statement down. 
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Exactamundo!
 
Hey now, relax DSA before Tom impregnates you and leaves you for another man...

Rodgers obviously isn't past Favre in terms of historical significance at the position yet but I'll argue that Rodgers right now is thousand times more efficient QB than Favre ever was.  Favre definitely had a flair for the dramatic which boosted his image in terms of being one of the best QB's.  He always seemed to do something insanely exciting in huge games... Later in his career unfortunately the excitement was reserved for fans of the opposite team late in the season/playoffs.

If you were breaking down all the QB categories you'd be left with a whole lot of "advantage Rodgers" with possibly arm strength (although IMO its a wash) and "excitement" factor going to Favre.
 
[h2]Dump a few stats here for comparison's sake...[/h2][h2]  [/h2][h2]NFL Career Passer Rating Leaders[/h2]
1.
Aaron Rodgers (29)
104.9  2005-2012 
gnb
2.Steve Young+96.8  1985-1999 2TM
3.Tom Brady (35)96.6  2000-2012 nwe
4.Peyton Manning (36)96.0  1998-2013 2TM
5.Tony Romo (32)95.6  2004-2012 dal
6.Philip Rivers (31)94.5  2004-2012 sdg
7.Drew Brees (33)94.3  2001-2012 2TM
8.Kurt Warner93.7  1998-2009 3TM
9.Ben Roethlisberger (30)92.7  2004-2012 pit
10.Joe Montana+92.3  1979-1994 2TM
11.Matt Schaub (31)91.9  2004-2012 2TM
12.Matt Ryan (27)90.9  2008-2012 atl
13.Chad Pennington90.1  2000-2010 2TM
14.Daunte Culpepper87.8  1999-2009 4TM
15.Jeff Garcia87.5  1999-2011 6TM
16.Otto Graham+86.6  1946-1955 cle
17.Dan Marino+86.4  1983-1999 mia
18.Carson Palmer (33)86.2  2004-2012 2TM
19.Brett Favre86.0  1991-2010 
4TM
[th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active[/th][th=""]Rate[/th][th=""]Years[/th][th=""]Teams[/th]
[h2]NFL Career Pass Completion % Leaders[/h2]
1.Chad Pennington66.0%  2000-2010 2TM
2.Aaron Rodgers (29)65.7%  2005-2012 
gnb
3.Drew Brees (33)65.6%  2001-2012 2TM
4.Kurt Warner65.5%  1998-2009 3TM
5.Peyton Manning (36)65.2%  1998-2013 2TM
6.Tony Romo (32)64.7%  2004-2012 dal
7.Matt Schaub (31)64.3%  2004-2012 2TM
 Steve Young+64.3%  1985-1999 2TM
9.Tom Brady (35)63.7%  2000-2012 nwe
10.Philip Rivers (31)63.6%  2004-2012 sdg
11.Joe Montana+63.2%  1979-1994 2TM
12.Ben Roethlisberger (30)63.1%  2004-2012 pit
13.Daunte Culpepper63.0%  1999-2009 4TM
14.Matt Ryan (27)62.7%  2008-2012 atl
 Brian Griese62.7%  1998-2008 4TM
16.Carson Palmer (33)62.5%  2004-2012 2TM
17.Marc Bulger62.1%  2002-2009 ram
18.Brett Favre62.0%  1991-2010 
4TM
[th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active[/th][th=""]Cmp%[/th][th=""]Years[/th][th=""]Teams[/th]
[h2]NFL Career Pass Interception % Leaders[/h2]
1.Aaron Rodgers (29)1.7%  2005-2012 
gnb
2.Tom Brady (35)2.1%  2000-2012 nwe
 Neil O'Donnell2.1%  1991-2003 4TM
4.Donovan McNabb2.2%  1999-2011 3TM
5.Jeff Garcia2.3%  1999-2011 6TM
 Sam Bradford (25)2.3%  2010-2012 ram
 Joe Flacco (27)2.3%  2008-2013 rav
 Matt Ryan (27)2.3%  2008-2012 atl
 Mark Brunell2.3%  1994-2011 5TM
10.David Garrard2.4%  2002-2010 jax
 Jason Campbell (31)2.4%  2006-2012 3TM
 Shaun Hill (32)2.4%  2005-2012 3TM
13.Kent Graham2.5%  1992-2001 4TM
 Steve Bono2.5%  1985-1999 7TM
 Rich Gannon2.5%  1987-2004 4TM
 Matt Schaub (31)2.5%  2004-2012 2TM
17.Kyle Orton (30)2.6%  2005-2012 4TM
 Joe Montana+2.6%  1979-1994 2TM
 Steve Young+2.6%  1985-1999 2TM
 Bernie Kosar2.6%  1985-1996 3TM
 Chad Pennington2.6%  2000-2010 2TM
 Philip Rivers (31)2.6%  2004-2012 sdg
 Byron Leftwich (32)2.6%  2003-2012 4TM
 Steve McNair2.6%  1995-2007 2TM
25.Peyton Manning (36)2.7%  1998-2013 2TM
 Drew Brees (33)2.7%  2001-2012 2TM
 Ken O'Brien2.7%  1984-1993 2TM
 Damon Huard2.7%  1998-2008 3TM
29.Andy Dalton (25)2.8%  2011-2012 cin
 Matt Cassel (30)2.8%  2005-2012 2TM
 Tony Romo (32)2.8%  2004-2012 dal
 Brad Johnson2.8%  1994-2008 4TM
 Michael Vick (32)2.8%  2001-2012 2TM
 Jeff George2.8%  1990-2001 5TM
35.Neil Lomax2.9%  1981-1988 crd
 Ben Roethlisberger (30)2.9%  2004-2012 pit
 Alex Smith (28)2.9%  2005-2012 sfo
 Cam Newton (23)2.9%  2011-2012 car
 Matthew Stafford (24)2.9%  2009-2012 det
 Matt Hasselbeck (37)2.9%  1999-2012 3TM
 Marc Bulger2.9%  2002-2009 ram
42.Jim Miller3.0%  1995-2002 2TM
 Jim Harbaugh3.0%  1987-2000 4TM
 Troy Aikman+3.0%  1989-2000 dal
 Dan Marino+3.0%  1983-1999 mia
 Jeff Hostetler3.0%  1985-1997 3TM
 Trent Green3.0%  1997-2008 4TM
48.Jeff Blake3.1%  1992-2005 7TM
 Drew Bledsoe3.1%  1993-2006 3TM
 John Friesz3.1%  1990-2000 4TM
 Tony Banks3.1%  1996-2005 4TM
 Aaron Brooks3.1%  2000-2006 2TM
 John Elway+3.1%  1983-1998 den
 Randall Cunningham3.1%  1985-2001 4TM
 Kerry Collins3.1%  1995-2011 6TM
 David Carr (33)3.1%  2002-2012 4TM
 Kurt Warner3.1%  1998-2009 3TM
58.Doug Flutie3.2%  1986-2005 4TM
 Carson Palmer (33)3.2%  2004-2012 2TM
 Trent Edwards (29)3.2%  2007-2012 3TM
 Eli Manning (31)3.2%  2004-2012 nyg
 Charlie Batch (38)3.2%  1998-2012 2TM
63.Tony Eason3.3%  1983-1990 2TM
 Patrick Ramsey3.3%  2002-2008 3TM
 Steve Dils3.3%  1979-1988 3TM
 Brett Favre3.3%  1991-2010 
4TM
[th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active[/th][th=""]Int%[/th][th=""]Years[/th][th=""]Teams[/th]
[h2]NFL Career Passing Touchdown % Leaders[/h2]
1.Sid Luckman+7.9%  1939-1950 chi
2.Frankie Albert7.4%  1946-1952 sfo
3.Frank Ryan7.0%  1958-1970 3TM
4.Arnie Herber+6.9%  1930-1945 2TM
5.Otto Graham+6.6%  1946-1955 cle
6.George Ratterman6.5%  1947-1956 3TM
7.Aaron Rodgers (29)6.4%  2005-2012 
gnb
 Tommy Thompson6.4%  1940-1950 2TM
 Len Dawson+6.4%  1957-1975 3TM
10.Daryle Lamonica6.3%  1963-1974 2TM
11.Sammy Baugh+6.2%  1937-1952 was
12.Charlie Conerly6.1%  1948-1961 nyg
13.Bob Waterfield+6.0%  1945-1952 ram
 Earl Morrall6.0%  1956-1976 6TM
 Sonny Jurgensen+6.0%  1957-1974 2TM
 Norm Van Brocklin+6.0%  1949-1960 2TM
17.Jim Hardy5.9%  1946-1952 3TM
 George Blanda+5.9%  1949-1975 4TM
19.Don Meredith5.8%  1960-1968 dal
 Eddie LeBaron5.8%  1952-1963 2TM
21.Peyton Manning (36)5.7%  1998-2013 2TM
 Adrian Burk5.7%  1950-1956 2TM
23.Tom Brady (35)5.6%  2000-2012 nwe
 Bob Griese+5.6%  1967-1980 mia
 Johnny Unitas+5.6%  1956-1973 2TM
 Steve Young+5.6%  1985-1999 2TM
27.Y.A. Tittle+5.5%  1948-1964 3TM
 Tony Romo (32)5.5%  2004-2012 dal
 Bob Berry5.5%  1965-1975 2TM
30.Terry Bradshaw+5.4%  1970-1983 pit
 Tom Flores5.4%  1960-1968 3TM
32.Babe Parilli5.3%  1952-1969 5TM
 Philip Rivers (31)5.3%  2004-2012 sdg
 Al Dorow5.3%  1954-1962 4TM
 Bobby Layne+5.3%  1948-1962 4TM
 Fran Tarkenton+5.3%  1961-1978 2TM
 Drew Brees (33)5.3%  2001-2012 2TM
 Danny White5.3%  1976-1988 dal
39.John Hadl5.2%  1962-1977 4TM
 Roger Staubach+5.2%  1969-1979 dal
41.Bill Nelsen5.1%  1963-1972 2TM
 Ed Brown5.1%  1954-1964 3TM
 Rudy Bukich5.1%  1953-1968 4TM
 Ken Stabler5.1%  1970-1984 3TM
 Kurt Warner5.1%  1998-2009 3TM
 Billy Kilmer5.1%  1961-1978 3TM
 Tobin Rote5.1%  1950-1966 4TM
 Paul Christman5.1%  1945-1950 2TM
 Ben Roethlisberger (30)5.1%  2004-2012 pit
 Steve Grogan5.1%  1975-1990 nwe
 Joe Montana+5.1%  1979-1994 2TM
 Lamar McHan5.1%  1954-1962 4TM
 Bobby Thomason5.1%  1949-1957 3TM
54.Milt Plum5.0%  1957-1969 4TM
 Dan Marino+5.0%  1983-1999 mia
 Charley Johnson5.0%  1961-1975 3TM
 Brett Favre5.0%  1991-2010 
4TM
[th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active[/th][th=""]TD%[/th][th=""]Years[/th][th=""]Teams[/th]
[h2]NFL Career Yards per Pass Attempt Leaders[/h2]
1.Otto Graham+9.0  1946-1955 cle
2.Sid Luckman+8.4  1939-1950 chi
3.Norm Van Brocklin+8.2  1949-1960 2TM
4.Aaron Rodgers (29)8.1  2005-2012 
gnb
5.Steve Young+8.0  1985-1999 2TM
6.Kurt Warner7.9  1998-2009 3TM
 Tony Romo (32)7.9  2004-2012 dal
 Ben Roethlisberger (30)7.9  2004-2012 pit
 Cam Newton (23)7.9  2011-2012 car
 Ed Brown7.9  1954-1964 3TM
11.Bart Starr+7.8  1956-1971 gnb
 Bob Berry7.8  1965-1975 2TM
 Philip Rivers (31)7.8  2004-2012 sdg
 Matt Schaub (31)7.8  2004-2012 2TM
 Johnny Unitas+7.8  1956-1973 2TM
16.Earl Morrall7.7  1956-1976 6TM
 Dan Fouts+7.7  1973-1987 sdg
 Len Dawson+7.7  1957-1975 3TM
 Roger Staubach+7.7  1969-1979 dal
 Peyton Manning (36)7.7  1998-2013 2TM
21.Trent Green7.6  1997-2008 4TM
 Sonny Jurgensen+7.6  1957-1974 2TM
 Daunte Culpepper7.6  1999-2009 4TM
24.Y.A. Tittle+7.5  1948-1964 3TM
 Joe Montana+7.5  1979-1994 2TM
 Frank Ryan7.5  1958-1970 3TM
 Tom Brady (35)7.5  2000-2012 nwe
 George Ratterman7.5  1947-1956 3TM
 Steve Grogan7.5  1975-1990 nwe
 Drew Brees (33)7.5  2001-2012 2TM
 Lynn Dickey7.5  1971-1985 2TM
 Eddie LeBaron7.5  1952-1963 2TM
 Don Meredith7.5  1960-1968 dal
34.Danny White7.4  1976-1988 dal
 Bill Nelsen7.4  1963-1972 2TM
 Jim Kelly+7.4  1986-1996 buf
 Craig Morton7.4  1965-1982 3TM
 Ken Stabler7.4  1970-1984 3TM
 Daryle Lamonica7.4  1963-1974 2TM
 Joe Namath+7.4  1965-1977 2TM
41.Billy Wade7.3  1954-1966 2TM
 Dan Marino+7.3  1983-1999 mia
 Ken Anderson7.3  1971-1986 cin
 Bob Waterfield+7.3  1945-1952 ram
 Bob Griese+7.3  1967-1980 mia
 Sammy Baugh+7.3  1937-1952 was
 Tommy Thompson7.3  1940-1950 2TM
 Boomer Esiason7.3  1984-1997 3TM
 Fran Tarkenton+7.3  1961-1978 2TM
50.Milt Plum7.2  1957-1969 4TM
 Bobby Layne+7.2  1948-1962 4TM
 Warren Moon+7.2  1984-2000 4TM
 Steve Beuerlein7.2  1988-2003 6TM
 Neil Lomax7.2  1981-1988 crd
 Jay Cutler (29)7.2  2006-2012 2TM
 Chad Pennington7.2  2000-2010 2TM
 Phil Simms7.2  1979-1993 nyg
 Charley Johnson7.2  1961-1975 3TM
 Marc Bulger7.2  2002-2009 ram
 Matt Ryan (27)7.2  2008-2012 atl
 Dave Krieg7.2  1980-1998 6TM
 Terry Bradshaw+7.2  1970-1983 pit
 Carson Palmer (33)7.2  2004-2012 2TM
 Jake Delhomme7.2  1999-2011 4TM
65.John Hadl7.1  1962-1977 4TM
 Jay Schroeder7.1  1985-1994 4TM
 Bert Jones7.1  1973-1982 2TM
 Gary Danielson7.1  1976-1988 2TM
 Tony Eason7.1  1983-1990 2TM
 Gary Hogeboom7.1  1980-1989 3TM
 Wade Wilson7.1  1981-1998 5TM
 Chris Chandler7.1  1988-2004 7TM
 Bill Kenney7.1  1980-1988 kan
 John Elway+7.1  1983-1998 den
 Rudy Bukich7.1  1953-1968 4TM
 James Harris7.1  1969-1979 3TM
 Jim Everett7.1  1986-1997 3TM
 Norm Snead7.1  1961-1976 5TM
 Eli Manning (31)7.1  2004-2012 nyg
 Mark Rypien7.1  1988-2001 5TM
 Brett Favre7.1  1991-2010 
4TM
[th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active[/th][th=""]Y/A[/th][th=""]Years[/th][th=""]Teams[/th]
 
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