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They should have put the vapor max upper on the all out
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"The Odyssey 2s retails for $150? So is it the highest tier zoom runners now because the Vomero held that crown but I believe the Vomero 11s only retailed at $140, no? Is it more plush than Vomeros?"
Odyssey is actually pretty cushy for a stability shoe but its not on the plushness level of the Vomero. I own the first Odyssey and it's not as plush to me as my Vomero 4 and that of course is seven models before the current one. I have tried on the current one and can confirm this, I can only imagine now since Nike combined Zoom with Lunarlon in the newest Vomeros how cush it is now.
They should have put the vapor max upper on the all out
I seen't Odyssey 2 at the outlets for $99 +30% off
Still wearing the 1s
I love the Odyssey. Still have my version 1, though, like many people. I'd imagine the failure of the 2 is due to a couple factors:
A. That Nike is known mostly for lower-priced running shoes. To the non-runner (or even just non- sneakerhead), "A Nike is a Nike". I heard that reaction a lot when I worked in running specialty. So the mainstream consumer isn't differentiating between an $75 Zoom Winflo and a $150 Odyssey.
B. A lot of younger consumers don't have the money to plunk down on that level of shoe.
C. A lot of older runners don't consider Nike to be a "serious" running shoe company (even though they sponsor, you know, Olympians).
The Odyssey is definitely softer than a lot of other stability shoes, which could also be a factor. It was more responsive when I first bought it, but training for a couple of halfs has tenderized them, so to speak. I'm 160lbs/73kg, so heavier runners that like stability might find them too mushy upon first wear.Well, sometimes for point B, there are the younger consumers who may be sneakerheads who will want to pay over $150 for other lifestyle shoes... but only about $100 or less for running shoes to beat 'em up. Plot twist: I'm one of those consumers.
Regardless, I also think that adding Lunarlon to a shoe that's supposed to provide higher stability support doesn't work out quite so well... at least that's just my thought. I'm probably completely wrong in that given that I haven't tried it out.
I guess for a casual runner like me (who takes running a bit serious), the shoes I run in just work. Doesn't help that I'm too brand loyal, but point A is a strong case for many people, really. If we're going to go with running shoes from Nike, it's primarily going to be the Pegasus or Vomero, especially if they can get it cheaper. The Vomeros are considered a steeped-price shoe. I think the Zoom Vomero is supposed to compete with the other brands like the Asics Kayano or Nimbus.
It's quite a bit odd for me to come out with this after running in the VaporMax for the past 7 runs or so (a bit hypocritical, perhaps), because that shoe is very pricy, but then again... those Air Max units and Flyknit uppers usually bring up the price.
The Odyssey is definitely softer than a lot of other stability shoes, which could also be a factor. It was more responsive when I first bought it, but training for a couple of halfs has tenderized them, so to speak. I'm 160lbs/73kg, so heavier runners that like stability might find them too mushy upon first wear.
I can hang with the lead pacers at local running store/city clubs. Yeah, I noticed most don't wear Nike. For me, they work well for me, specifically the Flyknit Racer or any forefoot Zoomed shoe. At the same time, I won't spend over $90 for a shoe I'm just going to get miles out of. I consider myself a casual runner as well, but I've got "serious" runner goals if that makes sense lol
Short Term:
- Average a sub7/mile/min 100mi month. I'm on good "pace" right now at 6'50" for 47mi.
Intermediate Term:
- 9mi in an hour. At the pace i'm going now, I hope I can get it done this year.
Long Term:
- BQ. My first racer ever was a full. I finished at 3:30 (in Nikes) with bad form and all lol. Since then, I feel like I've improved on my form, breathing and efficiency so much.
What does BQ stand for ray?
Seems like you should be able to hit 9mph first. I'm not good at distance, but could do 8mph during the height of my half training. Good on you man, good luck for Boston. Have you tried doing yoga for runners for breathing/form?I can hang with the lead pacers at local running store/city clubs. Yeah, I noticed most don't wear Nike. For me, they work well for me, specifically the Flyknit Racer or any forefoot Zoomed shoe. At the same time, I won't spend over $90 for a shoe I'm just going to get miles out of. I consider myself a casual runner as well, but I've got "serious" runner goals if that makes sense lol
Short Term:
- Average a sub7/mile/min 100mi month. I'm on good "pace" right now at 6'50" for 47mi.
Intermediate Term:
- 9mi in an hour. At the pace i'm going now, I hope I can get it done this year.
Long Term:
- BQ. My first racer ever was a full. I finished at 3:30 (in Nikes) with bad form and all lol. Since then, I feel like I've improved on my form, breathing and efficiency so much.
I can hang with the lead pacers at local running store/city clubs. Yeah, I noticed most don't wear Nike. For me, they work well for me, specifically the Flyknit Racer or any forefoot Zoomed shoe. At the same time, I won't spend over $90 for a shoe I'm just going to get miles out of. I consider myself a casual runner as well, but I've got "serious" runner goals if that makes sense lol
Short Term:
- Average a sub7/mile/min 100mi month. I'm on good "pace" right now at 6'50" for 47mi.
Intermediate Term:
- 9mi in an hour. At the pace i'm going now, I hope I can get it done this year.
Long Term:
- BQ. My first racer ever was a full. I finished at 3:30 (in Nikes) with bad form and all lol. Since then, I feel like I've improved on my form, breathing and efficiency so much.
If you can average sub 7 for a 100 mile month than you should have no problem at all getting a BQ