Obama Compiling Political Enemies List

[ruffreiter]

http://cornyn.senate.gov/...a-23ad-4ae4-6ccf4c7a255c

Interesting, I bet if George Bush was doing this it would have been a huge topic already.

 

[franchise3]

As if Bush loved Pelosi, Barney Frank, etc

 

[sundoobie]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]White House's new program requesting Americans to forward email chains and other communications opposing the President's health care policies.[/font]

Paranoia?

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]collection of names, email addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens that will be reported, which raises the specter of a data collection program.[/font]

Obama Administration vs Spam Email - How ridiculous is this?

 

[sonunox34]

I could see reporting e-mails that discuss assassination, impeachment, removal, etc... but opposing his policies?

 

[atlien seeko]

This is on a .gov website, so I don't really know weather to believe it or not... All I have to say about that is read Behold a Pale Horse and itwouldn't be so surprising.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Nevermind

at me

 

[calypso chanta]

+

 

[lrrr]

penis horse?

 

[wawaweewa]

This is what Chicago politicians aka criminals do.

 

[baalnood]

Something Shady about the 0bama's Administration

 

[ydbounce]

Originally Posted by Lrrr

penis horse?

 

[ruffreiter]

Nobody cares about this?

http://www.nytimes.com/20...lth/policy/06health.html

Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, urged Mr. Obama to "cease this program," adding, "I am not aware of any precedent for a president asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech."
http://www.foxnews.com/po...ther-health-care-debate/

With the request raising the possibility of a kind of Nixonian "enemies list" that would initiate a whole new brand of surveillance over that undertaken during the Bush administration, critics called the move an Orwellian tactic to control the health care debate.

 

[j burner]

Obama and this administration are disgusting, period. I can't imagine how blind a person has to be to continue to support Obama...

 

[brasilianmami]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Obama and this administration are disgusting, period. I can't imagine how blind a person has to be to continue to support Obama...

be quiet. it's been what...barely 6 months?

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Obama and this administration are disgusting, period. I can't imagine how blind a person has to be to continue to support Obama...

you said that about Obama before he was even elected President so this opinion for you is void.

And although this is not a normal tactic, I would explain why he is doing it but it already went right over your head and you went right to saying hisadministration is disgusting..

 

[j671]

Originally Posted by brasilianmami

Originally Posted by J Burner

Obama and this administration are disgusting, period. I can't imagine how blind a person has to be to continue to support Obama...

be quite. it's been what...barely 6 months?

 

[j burner]

Originally Posted by brasilianmami

Originally Posted by J Burner

Obama and this administration are disgusting, period. I can't imagine how blind a person has to be to continue to support Obama...

be quite. it's been what...barely 6 months?

Yep, barely been 6 months and he's spent more of your tax money than all previous presidents combined, oh yea, and he wants to spend 3.5trillion more, not including the trillions of dollars for the health care he wants to ram down our throats. Barely been 6 months and he's broken nearlyevery single campaign promise he made. Barely 6 months and his approval ratings dropped more than 10%. Last I checked he was right about 50% approval, give itanother week or two and he will be under 50%. Already less than 50% of people polled support his healthcare plan, yet he will not let it go. You realize ifthe election was held today, he would lose.

Originally Posted by Essential1

you said that about Obama before he was even elected President so this opinion for you is void.

And although this is not a normal tactic, I would explain why he is doing it but it already went right over your head and you went right to saying his administration is disgusting..

So, because I could smell his BS coming a mile away, and you couldn't, that makes my opinion void? Please, I would LOVE to hear you try torationalize this one, lets hear your explaination....

 

[f a y b a n]

I don't know, I feel the larger point was to address the misinformation spread regarding his health reform proposals, and not the people behind them. Hehad a damn website that did the same thing during the primaries where people could read about the smears being brought up during the campaign (his time spentin Indonesia, whether or not he was born in America, etc.) All I see is an extension of that movement, to bring out in the open the views that are simplyfalse, I don't see it as some way to track peoples' thoughts.

Not all government activities have some alternative/evil cause. Give me a break.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

This is what Chicago politicians aka criminals do.

You mean to tell me that Chicago has a history of corrupt politicians? I don't believe you!

 

[s0rtega2]

Originally Posted by brasilianmami

Originally Posted by J Burner

Obama and this administration are disgusting, period. I can't imagine how blind a person has to be to continue to support Obama...

be quite. it's been what...barely 6 months?

Not usually one to do that, but I got a good laugh out of it.

 

[sundoobie]

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

I don't know, I feel the larger point was to address the misinformation spread regarding his health reform proposals, and not the people behind them. He had a damn website that did the same thing during the primaries where people could read about the smears being brought up during the campaign (his time spent in Indonesia, whether or not he was born in America, etc.) All I see is an extension of that movement, to bring out in the open the views that are simply false, I don't see it as some way to track peoples' thoughts.

Not all government activities have some alternative/evil cause. Give me a break.

An extension of that movement is to provide a detailed health plan that explains everything from cost, coverage, etc. We havn't seen anythingbecause of Washington politics. Plus Obama already said he could care less if he gets Republican Legislators to get on board, he will do this regardless bySeptember.

What Obama is doing is requesting his sheep to SNITCH on people who have anything negative to say about his health care.

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to[/font] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]flag@whitehouse.gov[/font][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]."[/font]
So for example they want you to forward this entire post to the above email address so everyone one of us, especially

J Burner, to be investigated and all the information will be compiled in a Pentagon Database. Super Computers at thePentagon do their thing including background checks this and that, and viola a Political Enemies List is compiled.

This is an extension of the Patriot Act if anything for the Govt to snoop on it's citizens.

 

[j burner]

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

I don't know, I feel the larger point was to address the misinformation spread regarding his health reform proposals, and not the people behind them. He had a damn website that did the same thing during the primaries where people could read about the smears being brought up during the campaign (his time spent in Indonesia, whether or not he was born in America, etc.) All I see is an extension of that movement, to bring out in the open the views that are simply false, I don't see it as some way to track peoples' thoughts.

Not all government activities have some alternative/evil cause. Give me a break.

What misinformation are you referring to? Do you mean the part where supporters said it would SAVE taxpayers money (

). Maybe you're referring to the part where Obama said people would have anoption for private health care, and that he was not going to put private insurerers out business, but then if you read the actual legislation (apparantlypoliticians don't find this necessary anymore) makes it nearly impossible for private insurers to survive, makes it impossible for people to shop theirprivate health insurance, makes it impossible to change their private health insurance, and forces any one who doesnt currently have private health care totake the government plan, as they are not allowed to get private insurance once healthcare is socialized (unless they had it already). Oh yea, and if youforget to pay your private health care bill, and the policy lapses, guess what, you are not allowed to get it back, off the the government program you go...Arethese the misinformations you speak of? Perhaps you're talking about the rationing of healthcare, and how Obama and his supports scoff at the idea whenits brought up, yet its there in black and white in the legislation. I can keep going, but I'll wait to see what it is you're actually talkingabout...

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Essential1 wrote:

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you said that about Obama before he was even elected President so this opinion for you is void.

And although this is not a normal tactic, I would explain why he is doing it but it already went right over your head and you went right to saying his administration is disgusting..

So, because I could smell his BS coming a mile away, and you couldn't, that makes my opinion void? Please, I would LOVE to hear you try to rationalize this one, lets hear your explaination....


Yes still invalid.

Controversial bills such as anything to do with health care, among other things are often shot down with propaganda and misinformation. What he is doing isinvolving citizens (that is what Politics is about, right? Or should be about, right?) to send them information about the health care bill that they thinkseems wrong, or seems like false propaganda i.e. the health care bill will kill all Senior Citizens. So to stop the spreading of lies among blogs and messageboards and have something that is untrue be believed by a majority (How 93 Health Care bill was killed), they are going to jump in before it can spread andcall the spade a spade. It's called being on the offensive while being defensive.

Let me guess you think he is trying to monitor everyone right and install chips in people, because he is a "fascist"?

It is called political maneuvering, if you don't defend your belief even if 90% believes the same it can be shot down by opposition propaganda when youdon't dispel that.

 

[j burner]

^^^Oh I'm sorry, I thought I lived in America, where we were allowed to have our own political views and discussions with out government interfering,especially the president himself asking you to "report" people who don't support his views. Gestapo anyone??? Are you aware that in the eyes ofthe savior Obama, anything that sheds a bad light on him and his adminstration will be labled "false propaganda" no matter how true it is? I meanseriously, these fools are going home for their August recess only to be confronted with crowds of people telling them they DO NOT WANT this healthcare, andinstead of saying "gee, maybe the people that elected me to represent them don't agree with this legislation" instead they spin it to try andmake it sound like these are mobs of people put together by the republican party to smear the healthcare bill. These are regular people, showing theirrepresentatives how they feel, and telling them if you don't get this right, you are outta here....

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

I don't know, I feel the larger point was to address the misinformation spread regarding his health reform proposals, and not the people behind them. He had a damn website that did the same thing during the primaries where people could read about the smears being brought up during the campaign (his time spent in Indonesia, whether or not he was born in America, etc.) All I see is an extension of that movement, to bring out in the open the views that are simply false, I don't see it as some way to track peoples' thoughts.

Not all government activities have some alternative/evil cause. Give me a break.

What misinformation are you referring to? Do you mean the part where supporters said it would SAVE taxpayers money (

). Maybe you're referring to the part where Obama said people would have an option for private health care, and that he was not going to put private insurerers out business, but then if you read the actual legislation (apparantly politicians don't find this necessary anymore) makes it nearly impossible for private insurers to survive, makes it impossible for people to shop their private health insurance, makes it impossible to change their private health insurance, and forces any one who doesnt currently have private health care to take the government plan, as they are not allowed to get private insurance once healthcare is socialized (unless they had it already). Oh yea, and if you forget to pay your private health care bill, and the policy lapses, guess what, you are not allowed to get it back, off the the government program you go...Are these the misinformations you speak of? Perhaps you're talking about the rationing of healthcare, and how Obama and his supports scoff at the idea when its brought up, yet its there in black and white in the legislation. I can keep going, but I'll wait to see what it is you're actually talking about...

1. Debatable on whether it will or will not save taxpayer money. If I get taxed 2% more on $50,000 to pay for health care but get $3,000 saved bypublic health care then I saved money. If it drives down private insurance's cost down those taxpayers save money.
2. No politian reads any of the bills and never did, staffers do. If they read every page of every bill themselves, they would spend 20 hours a day every dayreading bills.
3. You said 1,2,3,4,5,6 & 7 lies in a row and yes you can get off public health care and go to private insurance. You are not bound to one or the other forthe rest of your life.
4. If you don't pay your insurance bills currently, you accrue costs and once it is paid back they boot you off and won't let you back.
5. Private insurance rations health care