Official 2016 NBA Playoffs Thread: Conference Finals: Warriors / Thunder | Cavs / Raptors

Who is going to win the NBA Championship?

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Lol Kyrie isnt a defensive stalwart by any means, but kyrie guarding steph is relatively the least of the cavs worries if they were to face off in the finals.

Steph plays so much pick and roll and moves so much when he doesnt have the ball that the initial defender means little in this case.
 
It's not encapsulating him to just those two moments.

It's more about him not exerting his physical will against teams and exploiting his advantages. Like some people have already said, If LeBron went to the post and bulldozed his way to the basket each and every time--he'd probably have more success in the post season.

But I guess subscribing to that is the cyanide pill. You then start to see teams sagging off Lebron and daring him to shoot, because they know they like their chances if he jack ups jumpers.

We should just accept LeBron for the player he is and will never be. Probably the most physically gifted player to step foot on an NBA court, but has serious deficiencies that he's never really addressed. I remember NT belly aching over how he needs to develop a post game and he eventually did. But I don't think anyone has ever mentioned him needing to develop a mid-range jumper.

Not sure if it's too late for Lebron now, considering it's his 13 season. But he'd certainly be unguardable if he couldn't sag off of him either.

Its basketball, cant just "exert physical will and bulldoze your way to the basket"

Teams are too sophisticated defensively for that. All they'll do is load up.
 
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They were playing Bron like Kobe played Rondo, no respeck at all for his jumper. As for last night there were several points down the stretch with Lowry on him where he could have made the quick spin baseline or a move to the middle before the double came, but he seemed content to hold the ball and wait for the defense to get set where even if they doubled, the rotations were set to recover. That's how you still get them contesting the shots late in the shot clock.
 
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Its basketball, cant just "exert physical will and bulldoze your way to the basket"

Teams are too sophisticated defensively for that. All they'll do is load up.

That's the point I made in the latter part of my post. But I was referring to the moments in the game when LeBron had the clear mismatch and failed to capitalize on the opportunity.

Lebron's career has been a disappointment thus far. Someone with his talents and expectation, should've had more success.

They were playing Bron like Kobe played Rondo, no respeck at all for his jumper. As for last night there were several points down the stretch with Lowry on him where he could have made the quick spin baseline or a move to the middle before the double came, but he seemed content to hold the ball and wait for the defense to get set where even if they doubled, the rotations were set to recover. That's how you still get them contesting the shots late in the shot clock.

If you go back and take a look at all the times LeBron has failed in the post season (quite a few), you'll notice a large part of that was due to teams sagging off on him and allowing him to shoot. Hell, Boris Diaw looked like the second coming of Scottie Pippen for God's sake :lol
 
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That's the point I made in the latter part of my post.

Lebron's career has been a disappointment thus far. Someone with his talents and expectation, should've had more success.

Lebron's career has been a dissapointment this far?

Is dissapointment really the right word?

Come on
 
Lebron's career has been a dissapointment this far?

Is dissapointment really the right word?

Come on

Made it to the Finals 6 times. Won only 2 times with a "Super team". Basically catered his own team in Clev and Miami and still can only come up 2 championships? Oh, and let's not forget that Ray Allen caveat :lol

It's safe to say, unless some sort of miracle happens--he's going to lose again this post season.

For someone who's supposedly the "Second Coming" or "Chosen 1" , he's certainly failed to meet expectations. He's basically the Peyton Manning/John Elway of the NBA :lol
 
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That's the point I made in the latter part of my post.

Lebron's career has been a disappointment thus far. Someone with his talents and expectation, should've had more success.

Lebron's career has been a dissapointment this far?

Is dissapointment really the right word?

Come on

Baffling. Lebron isn't exactly one of my main men but come on now.
 
Made it to the Finals 6 times. Won only 2 times with a "Super team". Basically catered his own team in Clev and Miami and still can only come up 2 championships? Oh, and let's not forget that Ray Allen caveat :lol

It's safe to say, unless some sort of miracle happens--he's going to lose again this post season.

For someone who's supposedly the "Second Coming" or "Chosen 1" , he's certainly failed to meet expectations. He's basically the Peyton Manning/John Elway of the NBA :lol


Lebron a disappointment... Wow. Done heard it all. :lol

The slander :lol
 
When it comes to rings Bron has been a disappointment so far, but everything else he's more than lived up to
 
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Lebron's career has been a dissapointment this far?

Is dissapointment really the right word?

Come on

Made it to the Finals 6 times. Won only 2 times with a "Super team". Basically catered his own team in Clev and Miami and still can only come up 2 championships? Oh, and let's not forget that Ray Allen caveat :lol

It's safe to say, unless some sort of miracle happens--he's going to lose again this post season.

For someone who's supposedly the "Second Coming" or "Chosen 1" , he's certainly failed to meet expectations. He's basically the Peyton Manning/John Elway of the NBA :lol
He's just a disappointment in the winning department but 2 rings is nothing to scoff at either.

Dude is a top 5 talent ever and his stats back that up. Lebron got the ship this year. If he wins one for leaveland, he will be treated as a god over there and that's all that really matters to him.
 
IDK maybe my expectations are a bit high for LeBron. But when you're heralded as the "Second Coming" of Micheal Jordan...there's an incredibly high bar to meet.

I'm not saying he's come short in his overall career, but he has had many shortcomings in the post season...when it matters most.
 
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Greg Oden was a disappointment. Lebron is gonna retire with titles in one of the toughest eras ever.

Sure, but given his circumstances and fortune to play with great talent. He should've won more often.

If that's not undeniable, then I'm going to have to agree to disagree with some of you guys.
 
 Lebron's career has been a disappointment thus far. Someone with his talents and expectation, should've had more success.
See comments like this drive me insane.

If every stud in the League won the chip every year or hell even every second or third year, They'd have to hand out 4 Trophies per year.

There can only be one winner per year man, no matter how you slice it.....disappointment? Come on man, come on....;
 
Greg Oden was a disappointment. Lebron is gonna retire with titles in one of the toughest eras ever.

Sure, but given his circumstances and fortune to play with great talent. He should've won more often.

If that's not undeniable, then I'm going to have to agree to disagree with some of you guys.

Other than the Dallas series, which titles should he have won? He deserves all slander for playing trash against a very good mavs team
 
Other than the Dallas series, which titles should he have won? He deserves all slander for playing trash against a very good mavs team

The real question is, why wasn't he supposed to win every series? What does that tell you about him and his career in the post season?

You guys are either too easy on LeBron, or I'm just too harsh :lol
 
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I read that post and just quoted it....now that I go back and read, every damn person in the thread quoted it like....."come on man, be real"
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Too funny
 
IDK maybe my expectations are a bit high for LeBron. But when you're heralded as the "Second Coming" of Micheal Jordan...there's an incredibly high bar to meet.

I'm not saying he's come short in his overall career, but he has had many shortcoming in the post season...when it matters most.

Whoever thought he was the 2nd coming of Jordan that's their fault. :lol Other than athleticism him and Jordan are nothing alike.
 
Other than the 2007 cavs spurs matchup where he took a bunch of scrubs to the finals against a loaded Spurs team. He had a chance to win in every other finals. He deserves a pass for last year too but I know nobody giving him that. It's a god damn shame the amount of nonsense Lebron has to deal with.
 
Other than the Dallas series, which titles should he have won? He deserves all slander for playing trash against a very good mavs team

The real question is, why wasn't he supposed to win every series? What does that tell you about him and his career in the post season?

You guys are either too easy on LeBron, or I'm just too harsh :lol

I'll play

Swept by a Spurs time in their prime. God knows who started for the Cavs.
Lost to the mavs. His bad. Slander away
Beat OKC
Beat the Spurs
Lost to the Spurs. Close series and a rematch. It happens. You won't slander bean for losing to the Celtics but you'll remember him beating them.
Lost to a better and healthy warriors team. Probably would have lost anyways.
 
I bet folks were dapping each other up when Bron got that Chosen 1 tattoo when he was younger and they were younger talking about, "Bron killed it with his tattoo, you seent it, it's Cold"

NOw that he's older and they are too, they are the same ones talking about "dude is lame for that tattoo man"

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