~~~*** Official Automotive Thread ***~~~

[kaycurrency]

My son Ninjahood cant speak on Cars or Spacious rooms because he has niether...

J/P....Low Blow...I know (pause)

 

[daydayz e36]

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Damn, you guys getting worked up over where the car comes from. Who cares, as long as it's a quality automobile?

I care. I bleed German blood.

 

[nicefro]

Heineken is Dutch man.

 

[i3allistic]

Originally Posted by nicefro

Heineken is Dutch man.

 

[ninjahood]

a civic....pssh

 

[finnns2003]

whereas japanese and euro cars are popular worldwide, american cars aren't even desirable in america. yeah... good luck with that crap.

 

[nealraj006]

Originally Posted by finnns2003

whereas japanese and euro cars are popular worldwide, american cars aren't even desirable in america. yeah... good luck with that crap.

In other countries like India or UK, American cars are somewhat desirable. If you drive one, people don't hate on you like they do here. But Iguess it's because they're kind of expensive, at least compared to their domestic cars.

 

[finnns2003]

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by finnns2003

whereas japanese and euro cars are popular worldwide, american cars aren't even desirable in america. yeah... good luck with that crap.

In other countries like India or UK, American cars are somewhat desirable. If you drive one, people don't hate on you like they do here. But I guess it's because they're kind of expensive, at least compared to their domestic cars.

not really. i mean, india is a developing country so...

but in countries like japan, germany, etc.... no. especially in wealthy parts. no one in tokyo is whipping around american crap (you have your corvettes,mustangs but that's rare).

 

[Betonblck]

The vette is still better than anything made by BMW.

 

[i3allistic]

Originally Posted by finnns2003

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by finnns2003

whereas japanese and euro cars are popular worldwide, american cars aren't even desirable in america. yeah... good luck with that crap.

In other countries like India or UK, American cars are somewhat desirable. If you drive one, people don't hate on you like they do here. But I guess it's because they're kind of expensive, at least compared to their domestic cars.

not really. i mean, india is a developing country so...

but in countries like japan, germany, etc.... no. especially in wealthy parts. no one in tokyo is whipping around american crap (you have your corvettes, mustangs but that's rare).

reason they aint driving american cars in japan, cuz its x3 more expensive ....but i read somewhere American cars are doing well in china ...

 

[ninjahood]

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by finnns2003

whereas japanese and euro cars are popular worldwide, american cars aren't even desirable in america. yeah... good luck with that crap.

In other countries like India or UK, American cars are somewhat desirable. If you drive one, people don't hate on you like they do here. But I guess it's because they're kind of expensive, at least compared to their domestic cars.

hence buick being THEE car when you in china.

and did ya forget that da hood's current wet dream is a dodge charger srt?

 

[airphilippines]

I just can't respect the honda scene aside from the S2k and the NSX, I just don't know why.

 

[air spider 777]

Anyone in the NYC/NJ/ CT area coming to E-Town Friday August 7th for Ford vs. The World (Bracket Racing)?

I plan on bringing my 5.7L HEMI Jeep to compete against the Ford's.

 

[finnns2003]

Originally Posted by AirPhilippines

I just can't respect the honda scene aside from the S2k and the NSX, I just don't know why.

I appreciate the JDM Civic Type-R, the new one, but Honda won't bring it here.

 

[ninjahood]

[h1]Ten of the best American-branded cars[/h1][h2]Want to be patriotic or snag a deal? Consider these cars from Big Three[/h2]

[img]http://m...s/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow_2.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]1/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Gm / Cadillac 2010 Cadillac CTS Commentary by Dan Carney, contributor Introduction Hard as it may be to believe, the quality of many American cars is just as good or better than popular Asian models. And we're not just saying that -- independent reports issued by J.D. Power & Associates and Consumer Reports confirm it. So if you're looking for a good way to help kick-start the U.S. economy (and maybe get an incredible deal) you might consider buying a car made by Ford, General Motors or Chrysler. But you want to pick a good one. Here are our suggestions for some of the top-rated domestic products, which incidentally are also cars we've enjoyed during testing for msnbc.com. The list is not intended to be exhaustive but to highlight models for which there is the strongest evidence that they are a safe choice for cautious shoppers. The selections are based largely on Consumer Reports' reader surveys and J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Survey, which looks at problems after three years.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...nts/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]2/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Chevrolet Chevrolet Malibu Time was when midsized family sedans were the mainstay of domestic brands, and cars like the Chevrolet Impala sold in greater numbers than many entire brands sell today. But in recent years North American automakers have poured resources into developing innovative SUVs and pickups, abandoning the less-profitable family car segment to Honda and Toyota. No longer. The Chevrolet Malibu, part of GM's line of midsize sedans, is excellent, and its Buick LaCrosse and Saturn Aura siblings are also worth considering. The Chevy and Saturn earned "Recommended" ratings from Consumer Reports, while the LaCrosse is too new to be rated by the magazine. The Malibu is also included on Consumer Reports list of "Good Overall Mid-Sized Sedans," and the previous-generation LaCrosse won the No. 1 spot in its category for J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study. The Saturn and the Chevy were both named North American Car of the Year.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...nts/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]3/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] David Zalubowski / AP Ford Fusion The Ford Fusion competes in the midsize sedan segment with the popular Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. (The Fusion is functionally identical to the Mercury Milan and Lincoln MKZ, originally known as the Zephyr.) These cars have accumulated a strong record for reliability and owner satisfaction, although reviewers have quibbled over details relating to interior appointments and powertrain refinement. For 2010, Ford has upgraded the Fusion and Milan in these areas, making them even nicer to drive while still preserving the excellent quality foundation that is so important to buyers in this segment. Consumer Reports bestowed its "Recommended" award on the Fusion and both its siblings. Those sister models outshone the Fusion in J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study, with the Lincoln winning first place in its category and the Milan taking third place among midsized cars, reflecting the quality with which all three cars are made.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...nts/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]4/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Ford Ford F-150 Need a pickup? It's hard to go wrong with any of the domestic trucks, which are all excellent. But Ford's F-150 and Chevrolet's Silverado have earned good reliability ratings besides having the ability to engage in all manner of useless and unlikely derring-do for television commercials. Both trucks earned Consumer Reports' "Recommended" label, and they tied for second place in J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study. The F-150 also earned first place for pickups in J.D. Power's Initial Quality study, which could be considered a tie-breaker. And it was also named the 2009 North American Truck of the Year. Each of these trucks boasts unique features which can help sway the decision when picking between them.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...s/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow_1.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]5/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Gm / Cadillac Cadillac CTS The Cadillac brand has returned to the realm of the exclusive and has again become a worthy goal for those who can afford its cars. The sporty CTS boasts distinctive styling, taut handling and renewed curbside prestige. It has also grabbed a Consumer Reports "Recommended" rating, a spot on Consumer Reports' "Best Overall Safety" list and second place on J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study. The CTS is as fine a midsized sport sedan as exists, even if some owners of rival brands remain reluctant to recognize that.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...s/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow_1.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]6/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Gm / Wieck Cadillac DTS The last bastion of the old front-wheel-drive Cadillacs soldiers on as the DTS, which shares much of its hardware with the Buick Lucerne. Both cars are well-regarded for the traditional American soft luxury preferred by mostly older drivers. Both cars are roomy, comfortable, efficient for their size and safe. Consumer Reports recommends both cars, and the Lucerne scored a second place in J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study in its category. The DTS placed third against its luxury brand competitors. Cadillaccustomers can expect superlative treatment by their dealers, while Lucerne buyers can get almost the same car for a lot less money if they don't mind missing the Cadillac experience at the dealer.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...nts/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]7/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Ford Ford Edge Ford's smartly styled two-row crossover SUV has won many fans, including the editors at Consumer Reports, who gave it a "Recommended" rating. The Edge also picked up a J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey first-place award. The Lincoln MKX is a similar model with more luxurious appointments and better-rated dealers. The Edge has been a worthy contender in its segment for a couple of years and Ford has recently added upgrades meant to make owners like it even better.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...s/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow_1.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]8/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] David Banks / EPA Ford Taurus The onetime best-selling car in America faded out of sight a few years ago. Apparent indifference to building competitive cars and an overreliance on fleet customers helped undermine the old sales champ. Now Ford engineers have revamped the Taurus, giving it bold sheet metal, a luxurious interior and more refined powertrains. It's too early to know how the Taurus and its cousin, the Lincoln MKS, will score in the reliability reports, but the car is impressive to drive. Most of Ford's other recently introduced models have scored well, so we're taking a chance by recommending the new Taurus as a car worthy of consideration.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...s/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow_1.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]9/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Gm / Chevrolet Chevrolet Tahoe The domestic carmakers can earn more than $10,000 in profit on the sale of each large SUV they produce, so they have poured development efforts into making these products their very best. Their popularity may have dimmed, but the domestics still build the best full-size SUVs. As in the pickup truck category, they dominate import brands in capability and match or top them in reliability and customer satisfaction scores. The Tahoe, and its GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade variations, all would be a good choice. The Tahoe earned a second-place ranking in J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study, while the Yukon and Escalade took first and second in the Initial Quality Survey.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...nts/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]10/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow.gif[/img] Ford Expedition Ford's big SUVs lead their class, earning accolades from reviewers along with top quality scores. The Expedition and its mechanical twin, the Lincoln Navigator, received the sought-after "Recommended" rating from Consumer Reports. Both ranked third in their respective categories for J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study.

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[img]http://msnbcmedi...nts/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/prev_arrow.gif[/img][font=verdana,arial]11/11[/font][img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/SITEWIDE/buttons/next_arrow_2.gif[/img] Ford Ford Mustang This list is heavily skewed toward practical vehicles for hauling families and belongings, but there are plenty of shoppers who want something a little more fun, maybe even with a top that folds down to let in the air and sun. Of course, wanting something sporty to drive doesn't mean that shoppers are willing to put up with troublesome cars that will keep them on a first-name basis with their dealer's service manager. Among fun-to-drive domestic cars, take a look at the venerable FordMustang. It has lots of power, decent gas mileage, racy lines and an available convertible top. Consumer Reports bestowed its "Recommended" rating on the Mustang, and it scored a third-place finish in its class in J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study. Maybe the new Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger have taken their showroom battle with the Mustang into the realm of reliability and will get their own impressive scores in coming years.

 

[daydayz e36]

I have no clue what ninjahood posted, so here is some moar pics...

^

 

[ninjahood]

[h1][/h1]

[h1] Ten of the best American-branded cars[/h1] [h2] Want to be patriotic or snag a deal? Consider these cars from Big Three[/h2]
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[daydayz e36]

Out of those cars, I'd mess with the stang', but no asian man looks right behind the wheel of f.o.r.d.

 

[ninjahood]

i seen plenty of small Asians pushin giant SUV's.....

 

[mr monday niight]

TL >Ford Taurus
Accord>Chevrolet Malibu
Tsx>Ford Fusion

 

[sam206]

Originally Posted by GULLYDAGREAT

Originally Posted by realxfresh

VHT nightshade i believe is what its called?

its a spray

there is a tint or you spray paint it but you have to sand it and aplly a lot more stuff. BTW cops love to pull you over when you have blacked outtail lights

 

[ninjahood]

Originally Posted by MR MONDAY NIIGHT

TL >Ford Taurus
Accord>Chevrolet Malibu
Tsx>Ford Fusion

according to what...da name? da malibu is rated higher then da accord by many publications then da accord...da taurus is a galvanzied car that isa contender

fusions have been lauded for they're quality.

 

[ninjahood]

1ST PLACE: TOYOTA CAMRY SE V-6
Finest all-around mix of power, handling, room, and bells and whistles-no wonder it was our 2007 Car of the Year.

2ND PLACE: CHEVROLET MALIBU LTZ
Great combination of sport and luxury bettered only by Camry. America's best and segment'sbest-looking.

3RD PLACE: HONDA ACCORD EX-L V-6
Vast room, attention to detail, and advanced technology can't overcome a few obvious faults.

4TH PLACE: NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE
Winner on track and twisties comes up short for lack of polish and refinement.

2008 CHEVROLET MALIBU LTZ	2008 HONDA ACCORD EX-L V-6	2008 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE	2007 TOYOTA CAMRY SE V-6
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
Drivetrain layout	Front-engine, FWD	Front engine, FWD	Front-engine, FWD	Front engine, FWD
Engine type	60 V-6 alum block/heads	60 V-6 alum block/heads	60 V-6, alum block/heads	60 V-6 alum block/heads
Valvetrain	DOHC, 4 valves/cyl	DOHC 4 valves/cyl	DOHC), 4 valves/cyl	DOHC 4 valves/cyl
Displacement	217.5 cu in/3564cc	211.8 cu in/3471 cc	213.5 cu in/3498 cc	210.9 cu in / 3456 cc
Compression ratio	10.2:1	10.5:1	10.3:1	10.8:1
Power (SAE net)	252 hp @ 6300 rpm	268 hp @ 6200 rpm	270 hp @ 6000 rpm	268 hp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net)	251 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm	248 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm	258 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm	248 lb-ft @ 4700 rpm
Redline	6900 rpm	6800 rpm	6600 rpm	6400 rpm
Weight to power	14.6 lb/hp	13.4 lb/hp	12.5 lb/hp	13.1 lb/hp
Transmission	6-speed automatic	5-speed automatic	Continuously variable auto	6-speed automatic
Axle/final-drive ratios	2.77:1/2.05:1	4.31 / 2.64	5.17:1/2.27:1	3.69:1 / 2.24:1
Suspension, front; rear	Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar	Control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar	Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar	Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Steering ratio	16.4:1	13.1:1	16.2:1	16.0:1
Turns lock-to-lock	2.7	2.6	2.8	3.2
Brakes, f;r	11.7-in vented; 10.9-in disc, ABS	11.8-in vented disc; 11.1-in disc, ABS	11.7-in vented disc; 11.5-in disc, ABS	11.7-in vented disc; 11.1-in disc, ABS
Wheels, f;r	7.0 x 18-in, cast aluminum	7.5 x 17, cast aluminum	7.0 x 17-in, cast aluminum	7.0 x 17, cast aluminum
Tires, f;r	225/50R18 94T M+S, Goodyear Eagle LS2	225/50R17 93V Michelin Pilot HX MXM4	215/55R17 93V M+S, Bridgestone Turanza EL400	215/55R17 93V Toyo Proxes J33
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase	112.3 in	110.2	109.3 in	109.3
Track, f/r	59.6/60.0 in	62.2/62.2	60.9/60.8 in	62.0 / 61.6
Length x width x height	191.8 x 70.3 x 57.1 in	194.3 x 72.7 x 58.1 in	189.8 x 70.7 x 57.9 in	189.2 x 71.7 x 57.5 in
Turning circle	40.4 ft	37.0 ft	36.1 ft	36.1 ft
Curb weight	3684 lb	3579 lb	3382 lb	3504 lb
Weight dist., f/r	61/39 %	62/38 %	62/38 %	61 / 39 %
Seating capacity	5	5	5	5
Headroom, f/r	39.4/37.2 in	39.0/37.2 in	40.6/36.8 in	38.8 / 37.8 in
Legroom, f/r	42.2/37.6 in	42.5 / 37.2 in	44.1/35.8 in	41.6 / 38.3 in
Shoulder room, f/r	55.9/53.9 in	58.2/56.4 in	55.7/55.5 in	57.8 / 56.7 in
Cargo volume	15.1 cu ft	14.0 cu ft	15.3 cu ft	14.5 cu ft
TEST DATA
Acceleration to mph
0-30	2.4 sec	2.5 sec	2.7 sec	2.3 sec
0-40	3.5	3.6	3.8	3.3
0-50	4.9	5	5	4.7
0-60	6.5	6.5	6.3	6.2
0-70	8.8	8.4	8	7.9
0-80	11.3	10.9	10.1	10
0-90	14.2	13.4	12.9	12.3
0-100	16.9	16.4	16.1	15.6
Passing, 45-65 mph	3.4	3.1	2.8	2.9
Quarter mile	15.1 sec @ 93.7 mph	15.0 sec @ 95.5 mph	14.8 sec @ 96.1 mph	14.6 sec @ 96.8 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph	133 ft	137 ft	131 ft	124 ft
Lateral acceleration	0.79 g (avg)	0.78 g (avg)	0.83 g (avg)	0.78 g (avg)
MT figure eight	27.6 sec @ 0.63 g (avg)	28.0 sec @ 0.60 g (avg)	27.3 sec @ 0.64 g (avg)	27.8 sec @ 0.61 g (avg)
Top-gear revs @ 60 mph	1600 rpm	2100 rpm	1950 rpm	1850 rpm
CONSUMER INFO
Base price	$26,995	$26,595	$25,205	$24,895
Price as tested	$28,340	$30,895	$26,815	$29,638
Stability/traction control	Yes/yes	Yes/yes	No/yes	No/no
Airbags	Dual front, front side, f/r curtain	Dual front, front side, f/r curtain	Dual front, front side, f/r curtain	Dual front, front side, f/r curtain, driver knee
Basic warranty	3 yrs/36,000 miles	3 yrs/36,000 miles	3 yrs/36,000 miles	3 yrs/36,000 miles
Powertrain warranty	5 yrs/100,000 miles	5 yrs/60,000 miles	5 yrs/60,000 miles	5 yrs/60,000 miles
Roadside assistance	5 yrs/100,000 miles	N/A	N/A	N/A
Fuel capacity	16.3 gal	18.5 gal	20.0 gal	18.5 gal
EPA city/hwy econ	17/26 mpg	19 / 29 mpg	19/26 mpg	19 / 28 mpg
CO2 emissions	0.96 lb/mile	0.86 lb/mile	0.90 lb/mile	0.87 lb/mile
MT fuel economy	16.3 mpg	18.5 mpg	19.8 mpg	20.2 mpg
Recommended fuel	Unleaded regular	Unleaded regular	Unleaded premium	Unleaded regular

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...edan_comparison/specs_and_road_test_data.html

 

[daydayz e36]

Originally Posted by MR MONDAY NIIGHT

TL >Ford Taurus
Accord>Chevrolet Malibu
Tsx>Ford Fusion

forgot one

RSX>>>Focus

 

[mr monday niight]

Originally Posted by DayDayz e36

Originally Posted by MR MONDAY NIIGHT

TL >Ford Taurus
Accord>Chevrolet Malibu
Tsx>Ford Fusion

forgot one

RSX>>>Focus

sentra>focus
civic>focus

mdx>edge
trundra> f 150