Official NBA OFF-SEASON Thread - 2011: Free Agency Dec. 9th

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@ pulling the what has he won card.

This whole comparison given the scenario doesn't even make sense.
 
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@ pulling the what has he won card.

This whole comparison given the scenario doesn't even make sense.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Dirk, can't you talk to your brother here?  Come on man, help us out.   
Man, there's nothing I can say here... He overvalues our guys at times and he knows it. There's nothing wrong with it, it just is what it is.

Look, when the game is on the line, I want my best players on the floor. And Deron Williams is a better player than Jason Kidd at this point. For everything Jason Kidd does on defense, can you imagine how much more versatile/dynamic the Mavs' offense is in crunch time with someone like Deron running the point?

You may want to, but I want no part of relying on Kidd to defend bigger, more athletic 2s at any point in the future. If Kidd is your go-to defender on Kobe or Durant down the stretch, that's a problem going forward for me.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Dirk, can't you talk to your brother here?  Come on man, help us out.   
Man, there's nothing I can say here... He overvalues our guys at times and he knows it. There's nothing wrong with it, it just is what it is.

Look, when the game is on the line, I want my best players on the floor. And Deron Williams is a better player than Jason Kidd at this point. For everything Jason Kidd does on defense, can you imagine how much more versatile/dynamic the Mavs' offense is in crunch time with someone like Deron running the point?

You may want to, but I want no part of relying on Kidd to defend bigger, more athletic 2s at any point in the future. If Kidd is your go-to defender on Kobe or Durant down the stretch, that's a problem going forward for me.
 
Deron Williams>>>>Jason Kidd so stop. why would you want Kidd over Will? theres no reason.
 
Deron Williams>>>>Jason Kidd so stop. why would you want Kidd over Will? theres no reason.
 
If D-Will were on the Mavs, we would be FLOODED with how great D-Will is from that point forward, Kev would get banned, we'd see D-Will > Lebron threads, it would be total chaos. 
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If D-Will were on the Mavs, we would be FLOODED with how great D-Will is from that point forward, Kev would get banned, we'd see D-Will > Lebron threads, it would be total chaos. 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

If D-Will were on the Mavs, we would be FLOODED with how great D-Will is from that point forward, Kev would get banned, we'd see D-Will > Lebron threads, it would be total chaos. 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

If D-Will were on the Mavs, we would be FLOODED with how great D-Will is from that point forward, Kev would get banned, we'd see D-Will > Lebron threads, it would be total chaos. 
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Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Originally Posted by CP1708

Dirk, can't you talk to your brother here?  Come on man, help us out.   
Man, there's nothing I can say here... He overvalues our guys at times and he knows it. There's nothing wrong with it, it just is what it is.

Look, when the game is on the line, I want my best players on the floor. And Deron Williams is a better player than Jason Kidd at this point. For everything Jason Kidd does on defense, can you imagine how much more versatile/dynamic the Mavs' offense is in crunch time with someone like Deron running the point?

You may want to, but I want no part of relying on Kidd to defend bigger, more athletic 2s at any point in the future. If Kidd is your go-to defender on Kobe or Durant down the stretch, that's a problem going forward for me.
Down the stretch, how many times did Kidd fail us this post-season?

That's all I'm saying.

I'm not overvaluing him, or anyone for that matter. I said I'd want Caron Butler back because we'd be really thin without him. And Kidd?

Look, I'm just saying that with what Kidd showed us down the stretch on defense, I'd want him on the floor, by any means necessary. Be it Deron, Kidd, Marion, Dirk, Chandler, or whoever, I'd want Kidd on the floor. He made in-bounds plays, he made clutch defensive plays, he hit big shots, he did a lot.

Would Deron be better than Kidd? Absolutely, without a doubt.

I would just want Kidd on the floor in crunch-time, that's all I'm saying.
 
Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Originally Posted by CP1708

Dirk, can't you talk to your brother here?  Come on man, help us out.   
Man, there's nothing I can say here... He overvalues our guys at times and he knows it. There's nothing wrong with it, it just is what it is.

Look, when the game is on the line, I want my best players on the floor. And Deron Williams is a better player than Jason Kidd at this point. For everything Jason Kidd does on defense, can you imagine how much more versatile/dynamic the Mavs' offense is in crunch time with someone like Deron running the point?

You may want to, but I want no part of relying on Kidd to defend bigger, more athletic 2s at any point in the future. If Kidd is your go-to defender on Kobe or Durant down the stretch, that's a problem going forward for me.
Down the stretch, how many times did Kidd fail us this post-season?

That's all I'm saying.

I'm not overvaluing him, or anyone for that matter. I said I'd want Caron Butler back because we'd be really thin without him. And Kidd?

Look, I'm just saying that with what Kidd showed us down the stretch on defense, I'd want him on the floor, by any means necessary. Be it Deron, Kidd, Marion, Dirk, Chandler, or whoever, I'd want Kidd on the floor. He made in-bounds plays, he made clutch defensive plays, he hit big shots, he did a lot.

Would Deron be better than Kidd? Absolutely, without a doubt.

I would just want Kidd on the floor in crunch-time, that's all I'm saying.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

If D-Will were on the Mavs, we would be FLOODED with how great D-Will is from that point forward, Kev would get banned, we'd see D-Will > Lebron threads, it would be total chaos. 
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Right, like I've ever said Dirk is the best player in the world, like JJ Barea is the best little-man ever, like Shawn Marion is the best defender in the game, like Jason Terry is the best shooter in history.

Whatever dude.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

If D-Will were on the Mavs, we would be FLOODED with how great D-Will is from that point forward, Kev would get banned, we'd see D-Will > Lebron threads, it would be total chaos. 
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Right, like I've ever said Dirk is the best player in the world, like JJ Barea is the best little-man ever, like Shawn Marion is the best defender in the game, like Jason Terry is the best shooter in history.

Whatever dude.
 
JA, I will give it to you this way, so it makes complete sense, and you hear what you sound like.  Listen close. 

Derek Fisher done more in his postseason career than Jason Kidd could ever hope to dream of.   Big shots, big defensive plays, big moments. 

I rather have Derek Fisher on the court, than Deron @#$%^& Williams during a big moment in a playoff game..........


That's what you sound like right now, seriously.  

Welcome back to reality. 
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JA, I will give it to you this way, so it makes complete sense, and you hear what you sound like.  Listen close. 

Derek Fisher done more in his postseason career than Jason Kidd could ever hope to dream of.   Big shots, big defensive plays, big moments. 

I rather have Derek Fisher on the court, than Deron @#$%^& Williams during a big moment in a playoff game..........


That's what you sound like right now, seriously.  

Welcome back to reality. 
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Was Derek Fisher ever possibly the second best player on his team? Was Derek Fisher ever the best PG in the game? Was Derek Fisher ever given the ball to make a play for someone, or plays drawn up for him? Is Derek Fisher an All-Time Top PG?

No, but Jason Kidd was.

In 2002, would you rather have gone to Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in the clutch if they were on the same team?
 
Was Derek Fisher ever possibly the second best player on his team? Was Derek Fisher ever the best PG in the game? Was Derek Fisher ever given the ball to make a play for someone, or plays drawn up for him? Is Derek Fisher an All-Time Top PG?

No, but Jason Kidd was.

In 2002, would you rather have gone to Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in the clutch if they were on the same team?
 
WAS

WAS dude, WAS.  All you just named, Jason Kidd WAS.  He's not anymore. 

Deron Williams IS the better player, now and forever after from here on.  How, how on earth do you not get that? 
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In 2002 I would have wanted Kobe, he was 22 @#$%^& years old and a damn stud, MJ was 40.  HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
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