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Loved him as a player but he's really had the most to say in retirement
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McNabb and Reid bonded over chunky soup and cost TO a ring
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Loved him as a player but he's really had the most to say in retirement
he has a point.. I never got how mcnabb was so good but dude would always miss those 5-10 yard quick hitters.. even with the crappy WRs, his completion percentage should have slightly higher
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How does Dallas having no homegrown inductees have anything to do with merit? It's certainly not egregious. Darren Woodson being drafted by Dallas is completely irrelevant.
His resume screams elite Hall of Very Good to me, and it's obviously not the Hall of Important Players to X team success.
When you look at who is in who are also more or less contemporaries at his position, they're almost exclusively DPOY caliber players. All Decade's Team caliber players.
John Lynch is the only guy on a similar level to Darren Woodson, and he might have a legit case over him based off longevity, but I'm not at anyone arguing Darren Woodson's peak.
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ALL-TIME leading tackler in DALLAS franchise history. All friggin time of one of the most storied franchises.
5x pro bowl
3x all pro
3x champ
Atwater, Lynch and Leroy Butler are all in. Leroy had 4 pro bowls. Atwater and Lynch 8.
24, 26, and 23 career interceptions for all 3. Butler had 38.
Every dynasty has defensive players that make the hall. Bottom line.
Darren Woodson was the ONE constant of those 90s Dallas defenses.
Hall of very good but Hester was a specialist and did absolutely nothing else.
Lynch, and Butler aren’t better than Darren. Darren is probably below Atwater. But Lynch and Leroy were not above him IMO.
Woodson was a 3x 1 team all pro. Second to Leroy.
Lynch and Atwater only made 2 first team appearances each.
Tell me you don’t know football. That’s all. I underdig
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Hester was part of 3 anniversary teams though, hall of very good doesn't make 2 seperate all-decade teams + the 100th anniversary all-time team.
Specialist sure but there's never been anyone better. Guys shouldn't be penalized for being great at the only role they're asked, it's still part of the game
Specialist sure but there's never been anyone better. Guys shouldn't be penalized for being great at the only role they're asked, it's still part of the game
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Again, Brian Mitchell has 14 return TDs, to Devins 19. That’s the only difference. Mitchell has more kick and punt return yards and a super bowl. Dude has 14k kick return yards and 5k punt return
4000 yards from scrimmage and 16 tds on offense
Hester 3500 and 17.
It’s just crazy Brian gets absolutely no consideration.
My biggest gripe is dude saying a 5x pro bowl, 3x 1st team all pro safety with 3 rings and the all time leading TACKLER of the Cowboys “wasn’t worthy”…. But guys like Lynch, Atwater are in the hall. That’s disrespectful to Darren Woodson
Cowboys don’t win 3 in the 90s without him. Dude was the prototype coverage and tackling safety of the 90s
“5 pro bowls, 3 all pros, all time leading tackler and 3 rings and captain of the 90s Cowboys defense” ….
Is “hall of very good” according to
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Mitchell played 3 more seasons and for a better team than the Rex Grossman and Cutler led Bears though, Hester has more records to his name even with that said.
I still think they should both get in though and so should Woodson. His resume is 100% worthy
I still think they should both get in though and so should Woodson. His resume is 100% worthy
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For most of football history, returning has been a major factor in the game if you’re the best at that you should definitely get in.
I think that the return yardage can be skewed a bit, because if your teams defense sucks, you’ll always be fielding kick returns and if you’re team has a great defense, you’ll always be fielding punt returns.
Bringing the ball all the way back for a touchdown should be the biggest deal
I think that the return yardage can be skewed a bit, because if your teams defense sucks, you’ll always be fielding kick returns and if you’re team has a great defense, you’ll always be fielding punt returns.
Bringing the ball all the way back for a touchdown should be the biggest deal
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… and Brian Mitchell had 14 returns compared to Hesters 19. Westbrook held the record for years until it was broken by Hester….. and he never received consideration
I’m guessing Eric Metcalf and Cordarrell Paterson will get in soon.
The difference between kickers/punters and return specialist is that the returners are skill players and can contribute in far more ways than a non athletic kicker. Returners are usually top 3-5 best athletes on the team. They play WR, DB and RB. BUt I guess we’re treating them like designated hitters
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I don’t feel like crunching numbers … just curious if Dave Meggitt belongs in the convo? dude was the best during my childhood
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If we are mentioning Patterson and Metcalf where does Dante Hall fit in?
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Meggette was that dude but he’s serving 30 years for sexual assault and has a rap sheet of sexual assault allegations.
Just like Darren Sharper, he messed up his chances
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Uh oh, Cowgirls fan is upset! You keep moving the goal post and talking about what your guy is entitled to.
Btw, I said dude was ELITE Hall of Very Good and that he had a legit HOF case, it's just not egregious that he's not in.
Only a cheerleader clinging on remembrance of a past dynasty would actually think that.
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…. Hall of fame selections are about what again?? Ohhhhh about “past” honors. I’m clinging to history when the point of the hall of fame is to do just that, write the history of the NFL. Can’t talk about the NFL without the 90s Cowboys, right? It’s objective is to what again, to reward players and their “past” history on the field? Correct?
… but I’m moving goal posts
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I'm joking with you but yes, your are moving the goalpost. Like, you're literally doing it again right now.
Only a Cowboys fan would think it's egregious that Darren Woodson isn't in the HOF.
I think most people as seeing him having a case for it, but it's nothing crazy or disrespectful him not being in.
Atwater and Butler somehow both beat out Woodson for the spots on the All 90's team.
And Darren Woodson doesn't deserve to be in over any of the guys who came after him either like Reed, Troy, CWood or Dawkins.
John Lynch the only guy I see holding a jacket that could have been Darren Woodson's.
Only a Cowboys fan would think it's egregious that Darren Woodson isn't in the HOF.
I think most people as seeing him having a case for it, but it's nothing crazy or disrespectful him not being in.
Atwater and Butler somehow both beat out Woodson for the spots on the All 90's team.
And Darren Woodson doesn't deserve to be in over any of the guys who came after him either like Reed, Troy, CWood or Dawkins.
John Lynch the only guy I see holding a jacket that could have been Darren Woodson's.
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I can roll with Hester being a "specialist", but its not like Devins specialty was most 4th down catches in road wins....its as a returner, which was alot more important before returns were fazed out. And props to other terrific returners like Deion, Mel Gray, Metcalf, Hall, Mitchell etc....but Hester was the best to ever do it.
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This man better be inducted tomorrow or we riot!
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