***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rexanglorum]

the whole thing is hilarious to me, ban TikTok and people go to red note owned by the Chinese government and they are like "oh look how cheap corn is in china" and Chinese people say we need a revolution and worshiping Luigi.

should we go to instagram? nah, lets learn mandarin and see what else china has.

I’ve been lazy, only learning other indo-European languages (as well as few score Chumash words), it is time to learn Mandarin.

Hopefully, it’ll be like in the matrix and you can just upload it it.

 

[mplsdunk]

red note will teach us dude

 

[gry60]

Funny thing is that young Americans and China are already merging.

The Great Firewall: am I a joke to you?

This take ignores that the Chinese government has made it extremely difficult for ordinary Chinese people to communicate with average people overseas.

Young Americans may be merging with something, but that something is more likely to be Chinese internet monitoring services.

 

[gry60]

We are probably under 30 days away from seeing ICE raids at daycares, and families being separated, but folk falling harder for this "Donald the Dove" stuff.

They already started the raids in farming communities.

 

[Armada]

Putting aside the specific Gaza issue, these people don't even realize that they are adopting the neocon and Trumpist worldview that world leaders must and will do whatever the American President/Trump commands.

And Biden's failures are strictly because of lack of trying and/or personal weakness

Like apply that logic generally. Why shouldn't America take back the Panama Canal, acquire Greenland, make Canada the 51st state, or make countries accept deportation flights of people not even from their country? I mean if the President wants it, he can get it done.

Some people on the left prioritize being anti-Democrat so much they have completely lost the plot.

We are probably under 30 days away from seeing ICE raids at daycares, and families being separated, but folk falling harder for this "Donald the Dove" stuff.

This situation might not be "The Empire Strikes Back" level bad, it might be "Revenge of the Sith" level bad

Ive realized this is the key factor in the "Bernie to trump pipeline" some of these people hate democrats more than their actual leftist "principles". I'd argue those principles were never strong with anyone who goes from that to MAGA cause If you were actually principled in that stuff it would be impossible to make that transition. Ive been extremely frustrated with the democrat establishment post this election but never once have I been so frustrated by that I start giving trump and right wingers grace just to bond with them over hating democrats.

When being anti-democrat is your guiding principle you on a fast track to sounding like the people you claim to disagree the most with.

 

[dacomeup]

We need the younger generation to at least stand up for something even if its as goofy as Tik Tok.

This isn’t compelling to me at all .

 

[osh kosh bosh]

when your entire foreign policy is "America bad" it leads you to some insane conclusions.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I wonder why?

 

[dacomeup]

I wonder why?

Steph Curry loving this

 

[Mark Antony]

I don't get people acting like Tiktok is the only comms/media with a foreign backdoor ever banned.

 

[aepps20]

to everyone in here. Have a great and productive day today

 

[atlsfinest]

 

[elpablo21]

Well we've already seen the latter. The former feels extreme

Vance got motion like Bush?

I guess I shouldn't put anything past this country and it's voters either though

 

[Armada]

Biden and his team sacrificed what was objectively a good domestic policy record and being remembered by that to mishandle in every way a moment that will define a generation in Gaza and for nothing. Every chance they could’ve done more at the least messaged better they failed.

I said it before his presidency will not be remembered fondly and that’s his fault. Is some of it the fault of our media climate and current culture and people’s inability to parse information of course but he will rightfully take a lot of blame.

That’s not even considering the not stepping down sooner stuff and what we know more about his team and that now…

 

[mplsdunk]

No he won’t be, he should have stuck to his one term “anyone but trump” plan.

 

[Dark Brandon]

I wonder why?

SF always faces fierce pushback from groups affiliated with the Coalition of San Francisco Neighborhoods. London Breed, Gavin Newsom, and even as far back as Diane Feinstein all fought for more affordable housing in SF when they were mayor. All of them were defeated, it’s not because Democratic leadership. It’s the opposite.

 

[elpablo21]

Bush got a whole rebrand

Trump's 1st term is already being looked at with rose colored glasses

No matter how you feel about Biden now it won't change the perception of this term being looked at more kindly like every single other president.

They all get a boost

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Biden and his team sacrificed what was objectively a good domestic policy record and being remembered by that to mishandle in every way a moment that will define a generation in Gaza and for nothing. Every chance they could’ve done more at the least messaged better they failed.

I said it before his presidency will not be remembered fondly and that’s his fault. Is some of it the fault of our media climate and current culture and people’s inability to parse information of course but he will rightfully take a lot of blame.

That’s not even considering the not stepping down sooner stuff and what we know more about his team and that now…

Gaza not going to define any generation.

Now that a Republican President is in office and this can't be used as cudgel against the Democratic party...

All the leftists will stop taking about it, there will be no Trump protests, or "Genocide Trump" memes

things in Gaza will settle down, Israel will continue the same ol' policy of slowly eating away at Gaza and the West Bank. And if anything flares up Bibi will have full backing to go back to blow **** up.

Biden was doomed to this fate. Could he have done somethings differently?, maybe, but the ultimate outcome would have been the same.

It's an endless conflict that is never getting resolved anytime soon, hard for something to define a generation, when the last generation dealt with it, and the next generation will deal with it.

It never ends.

 

[wavycrocket]

Bush got a whole rebrand

Trump's 1st term is already being looked at with rose colored glasses

No matter how you feel about Biden now it won't change the perception of this term being looked at more kindly like every single other president.

They all get a boost

I highly disagree. Not all of them. There is ONE president (from 2008-2016)….who’s seen a decline in popularity. The public sentiment on Barry is low. Especially with OUR people. Lower than it really should be. And so many factors for that. But alas, he was the president of the US that continued its policies…so some is warranted, but he not going to get any credit for any rose colored lenses….and it’s understandable. Maybe like 20 years down the line, when the next gen discovers right wing propaganda and its destruction. No hope at all for this current timeline.

No (R) by his name for Biden. ****, you may need a “TR” (Trump Republican) to get good press. Even Bush’s standing is even worse now, than a few years ago…because he’s now somehow seen as a RINO .

Biden did some good, but he really missed on connecting with the public. And part of it is him being old as dirt and clueless….plus the landscape and the public being misinformed, uneducated and against his admin. Even so, he still on a perception basis had an uphill battle.

No more 80 year old white dudes in power.

 

[elpablo21]

I highly disagree. Not all of them. There is ONE president (from 2008-2016)….who’s seen a decline in popularity. The public sentiment on Barry is low. Especially with OUR people. Lower than it really should be. And so many factors for that. But alas, he was the president of the US that continued its policies…so some is warranted, but he not going to get any credit for any rose colored lenses….and it’s understandable. Maybe like 20 years down the line, when the next gen discovers right wing propaganda and its destruction. No hope at all for this current timeline.

No (R) by his name for Biden. ****, you may need a “TR” (Trump Republican) to get good press. Even Bush’s standing is even worse now, than a few years ago…because he’s now somehow seen as a RINO .

Biden did some good, but he really missed on connecting with the public. And part of it is him being old as dirt and clueless….plus the landscape and the public being misinformed, uneducated and against his admin. Even so, he still on a perception basis had an uphill battle.

No more 80 year old white dudes in power.

I guess I still see Obama as more popular than not within the country overall but I could be wrong but even then that makes someone like him an exception and not the rule

and we know Obama is always going to be held to a much higher standard than his contemporaries for various reasons.

Someone like Bush towards the end of his term the popularity was completely tanked because of the economy and the war. There's always a group of weirdos on the RINO stuff because they're weirdos but two of Bush's biggest indictments barely get spoken of and when there is criticism is not nearly with the same level as it once was despite them the atrocities still being awful and the lasting impacts it caused. I don't expect Gaza to haunt Biden because none of these terrible things carry long for any of them.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I think

- the lying about Biden's health condition.
- The kneecapping of Harris's campaign
- refusal to dropout immediately after the debate.
- saying the he would have won after Harris lost when he obviously wouldn't have
- a lot of his domestic accomplishments will get undone by trymp


I think Biden will not get the same reputation boost as other presidents. democrats will hate him for a long time and Republicans will always hate him forever and Non political people will remember how crazy it was they let someone that old be president.

He will have a small group of technocrats talking about the chips act or whatever, but I think his presidency won't be remembered fondly.

 

[mplsdunk]

his arrogance after the debate to refuse to drop out was wild, not to mention all the other stuff he did like repeatedly mixing up Zelensky with Putin right to his face.

just a lot of cringeworthy moments, like yeah he has always been *** at public speaking but thats's beyond that.

 

[IATT]

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[elpablo21]

I think

- the lying about Biden's health condition.
- The kneecapping of Harris's campaign
- refusal to dropout immediately after the debate.
- saying the he would have won after Harris lost when he obviously wouldn't have
- a lot of his domestic accomplishments will get undone by trymp


I think Biden will not get the same reputation boost as other presidents. democrats will hate him for a long time and Republicans will always hate him forever and Non political people will remember how crazy it was they let someone that old be president.

He will have a small group of technocrats talking about the chips act or whatever, but I think his presidency won't be remembered fondly.

I didn't think any of that lingers that long in the minds of Americans

Especially things pertaining to Kamala who already had to fight her own stigmas

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I didn't think any of that lingers that long in the minds of Americans

Especially things pertaining to Kamala who already had to fight her own stigmas

I would normally agree but so many of Biden's faults pertain specifically to him as a human.

It's not like a complex abstract problem that he got wrong. Like the Iraq war or the economy.

He literally went on TV and basically had a health event.

All his problems are tied to him. So I think it will stick to him longer.

Also speaking frankly he's not going to be making public appearances after his presidency or be able to all and do interviews to change public perception.

Carter, HW, Bush, could all do stuff after their presidency to change the public's view of them.

Biden can barley talk now.