***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Griffin should have apologized, you can't cede the moral high ground to the right like that.

If someone did that to Obama, we would not have liked it.

It was classless and not funny.

 

[elpablo21]

https://www.recode.net/2017/5/31/15...walt-mossberg-kara-swisher?platform=hootsuite

I obviously don't think Hillary was an ideal candidate or is right about everything.

but...



I must say It makes me really happy to see ol girl letting the yoppa sing freely.

Let her be salty, she's earned it.

Damn...she let the DNC have it too

 

[whywesteppin]

sawf 'aqaf


I will stand

You're such a cunning linguist

He has a rapist wit.

 

[sonoftony]

On June 8th, Comey finna turn up!!

 

[Chopper]

On June 8th, Comey finna turn up!!

No he's not. He ain't gonna say **** that'll lead to anything. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[RustyShackleford]

https://www.recode.net/2017/5/31/15...walt-mossberg-kara-swisher?platform=hootsuite

I obviously don't think Hillary was an ideal candidate or is right about everything.

but...



I must say It makes me really happy to see ol girl letting the yoppa sing freely.

Let her be salty, she's earned it.

I saw this earlier, ole girl didn't hold back. Everyone caught it.

You right, she earned it. Progressive wanna act like **** boys and throw her under the bus whenever they are rustle, welp, time to unload some clips too.

 

[sonoftony]

On June 8th, Comey finna turn up!!

No he's not. He ain't gonna say **** that'll lead to anything. I hope I'm wrong.

I hope you are too

 

[Chopper]

There's several reasons she lost, but she needs to accept the bulk of the blame. It was her damn show and she couldn't even win white women.

 

[RustyShackleford]

There's several reasons she lost, but she needs to accept the bulk of the blame. It was her damn show and she couldn't even win white women.

You have an irrational hatred for this woman. And anyone short of her castigating herself would displease you

She made her mistakes, but she made much less that her opponent and still loss. That should be troubling for liberals.

Just putting the blame on her as a bad candidate lets us off the hook of addressing the other factors. Factors that say a Elizabeth Warren might have to face

 

[Chopper]

You have an irrational hatred for this woman. And anyone short of her castigating herself would displease you

I do dislike her, but happily voted for her in the general. I do blame her for not winning.

She did her best and it wasn't good enough. She should have at least attempted to win WI and MI.

Now we're F'd for a generation and she won't take blame. Classic.

 

[Chopper]

She'll be back in 4 years, talking about, "I guess y'all wanted me to try one more time.". Watch.

 

[Belgium]

She'll be back in 4 years. Watch.

She's arrogant and very ambitious but not that delusional. Wouldn't rule out running for a different non-presidential political position though. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

You have an irrational hatred for this woman. And anyone short of her castigating herself would displease you

I do dislike her, but happily voted for her in the general. I do blame her for not winning.

She did her best and it wasn't good enough. She should have at least attempted to win WI and MI.

Now we're F'd for a generation and she won't take blame. Classic.

Yes, because Hillary Clinton has to take blame for the GOP and Donald Trump's actions

You want her to take blame why? To make yourself fell better?

An idiot FBI director got so rustled by a fake piece of Russia propaganda he screwed her right before the election, and the opposing side probably collude in a propaganda campaign with a foreign government.

Yet most of you outrage is for Hillary Clinton. The person who was injured directly by those two actions.

Classic

 

[trueprada]

Immigrant crime victim who appeared with Trump at rallies now feels ‘abused and exploited’ by him

 

[RustyShackleford]

She'll be back in 4 years, talking about, "I guess y'all wanted me to try one more time.". Watch.

So probably won't, but if she did, so what. Just don't vote for her. There will be tons of other candidates to choose from

I swear so called progressive fear Hillary Clinton like conservatives fear young black men

Swear they have super powers, inherently evil, and it would be better if they know they place and went away.

 

[Belgium]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1bb629f64cb_story.html?utm_term=.109afb5e8b9b

Our ugly racism’s newest artifact: The noose left at the African American Museum
On Wednesday, as yellow buses disgorged flocks of school groups and multigenerational visitors pushed wheelchairs and strollers into the Smithsonian’s compelling new Museum of African American History and Culture, something entered the building with them:

Hatred.

Sometime in the afternoon, in the gallery on segregation, someone placed the vile instrument of our country’s history of lynching — a noose — inside the museum. It was the second time this week one was found on Smithsonian grounds. A noose was found hanging from a tree near the Hirshhorn museum four days earlier.

But a noose inside the African American History museum was a disturbing reminder that our history of racial oppression and violence is far from over.

“The noose has long represented a deplorable act of cowardice and depravity — a symbol of extreme violence for African Americans,” Lonnie Bunch, the founding director of the museum, said in a statement. “Today’s incident is a painful reminder of the challenges that African Americans continue to face.

“This was a horrible act,” he said, “but a stark reminder of why our work is so important.”

And that’s especially true in Trump’s America, where strident white nationalism is on the rise. The Southern Poverty Law Center has recorded about 1,300 incidents since the 2016 election. They are happening almost every day, all over the country.

Three people have been stabbed to death in the past two weeks by alleged white supremacists – two men defending a Muslim woman on a train in Portland, Ore., and Richard W. Collins III, a Bowie State University student out with friends on the University of Maryland College Park campus.

In Los Angeles on Wednesday, someone spray-painted racist graffiti outside the home of basketball star LeBron James  as he prepared for the NBA Finals.

“No matter how much money you have, no matter how famous you are, no matter how many people admire you, being black in America is tough,” James told reporters. And he invoked the memory of Emmett Till’s mother, who forced the world to look at her lynched 14-year-old son. “The reason she had an open casket was that she wanted to show the world what her son went through as far as a hate crime, and being black in America,” James said.

Till’s casket is on display at the African American Museum, where the noose was left on the very same day.

Assuming it was left by a racist, white person, it shouldn’t be too hard to find the suspect. Far too few white people go there.

When the museum opened in September amid the ugly rhetoric of the Trump presidential campaign, I begged my fellow white Americans to please go to the museum.

Because this place isn’t just black history. It’s America’s history.

And the searing, soaring five-story museum fills the gaps in our country’s complicated story that too many of us have forgotten, sanitized or simply never knew.

But white folks weren’t listening too well.

The Smithsonian doesn’t keep formal track of the race of the more than 1 million visitors who have flocked to the museum since it opened. But I could see it every time I passed the building and during my four trips inside. The vast majority of visitors are black.

The very crowd with the most to learn, the Americans wrestling hardest with the legacy of race in their country, seemed to be avoiding the place.

I went to the museum Wednesday to see if my impression was correct.

And with each wave of visitors holding their timed-entry passes, except for the school groups, it was always the same. Black, black, black, black, white, white, black, black, black, black.

“I don’t want to get you in trouble, but you’re here every day,” I said to one security guard. “Would you say this is the demographic profile you see every day?”

“Yes. I’d say about 10 percent. 20 percent white,” the guard said.

Same answer from all of the other employees who were kind enough to talk to me.

Marcia Lawrence and her friend, Mike Goulet, were among the white visitors in the 10:30 a.m. wave. They came from Connecticut, and Lawrence’s daughter, a history teacher in Pennsylvania, got their passes ahead of time.

“We’re all together in this, we’re all one country and we should learn about our country that way,” she said.

There were also plenty of white folks who were thwarted by the museum’s popularity.

“We’re here from Memphis, and we really want to go,” one white couple told me. “But we just didn’t get passes today.”

It’s still a hot ticket. And to get in, you’ve got to go online to get free, timed-entry passes, or get lucky enough to score the walk-up passes released throughout the day.

Not surprisingly, black tourists are more purposeful about coming to the museum. They reserve the passes online, then build a trip around them.

The Morwood family, visiting from San Diego, got lucky with walk-up, day passes on Wednesday.

When they left the museum before lunch Wednesday and blinked in the bright sun outside, they were trying to digest what they had just seen.

“It’s just, why isn’t this in all other museums?” Jenna Morwood, 43, asked. “I mean, when you see the impact, the rich history and you see what was left out of all these other museums across the country, you wonder. And you realize how white-centric we are.”

She got it.

And so did the eighth graders in watermelon-pink school shirts from De Kalb, Tex.

“What really got me was how many people didn’t survive the trip over,” said Maebry Petty, 13, shaking her head a bit. “Those slave ships.”

The millions brought in chains to the United States also stunned her dad, Ray Petty, 37, who’d never been to Washington and was now so glad he’d chaperoned this trip.

One of the other teens in their group said that learning this history “was like learning about the Holocaust. We have to.”

We have to.

The waves of middle schoolers gave me hope. They are learning far more about our nation’s truth than their parents and grandparents did.

But when that noose was found just a few hours later, I couldn’t believe it.

Someone walked inside the museum and ignored the power and meaning of the child-size shackles, the human bill of sale, Emmett Till’s casket and the gruesome photos of lynchings. A noose placed alongside these artifacts yanked us back into that past, reminding us that the most virulent strains of racism are still with us.

“We haven’t seen such mainstream support for hate in decades, not since the civil rights era 50 years ago,” Southern Poverty Law Center spokesman Ryan Lenz told  Smithsonian magazine.

Police cordoned off the section where the noose was found and removed it as evidence.

When the investigation is over, they should bring it back. Leave it right where they found it. And the museum can put it in a glass case, with a marker noting: “Noose. Symbol of contemporary hatred and racism. 2017.”

This isn’t history yet.

 

[Tigron]

Griffin should have apologized, you can't cede the moral high ground to the right like that.

If someone did that to Obama, we would not have liked it.

It was classless and not funny.

Kathy Griffin ladies and gentlemen.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Welp true

 

[rillo561]

I do dislike her, but happily voted for her in the general. I do blame her for not winning.

She did her best and it wasn't good enough. She should have at least attempted to win WI and MI.

Now we're F'd for a generation and she won't take blame. Classic.

I agree with a lot of stuff here, IMO she didn't even do her best. Skipped a lot of flyover states, I know they probably wouldn't have voted for her anyway, but it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. She's happy to talk about Russia, but she won't take the blame for her crappy campaign. She needs to go away.

 

[Belgium]

A couple new members have been added to Mueller's team, including Andrew Weissmann who worked on and later managed the Enron scandal taskforce.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ce-official-said-to-jump-to-russia-probe-team

Looks like a solid addition based on what I just read about the Enron scandal and prosecution. 

Also, Comey will testify on June 8th

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics/940803461

 

[the qbz]

Kathy griffin had a comedy special called strong black woman

Im not defending her

 

[gry60]

I agree totally with Gry60's post above, but she already got canned from CNN. Can't burn all the bridges.

Theresa May belongs in the fools wildin thread. she thought she was doin it

First of all,























what the **** was a comedian doing working for CNN?

Second, between Fared Zachariah calling Trump presidential for bombing Syria and this, I can see why they are calling it the ESPN of news. She can go back to the stand up circuit, she'll be fine.

Griffin should have apologized, you can't cede the moral high ground to the right like that.

If someone did that to Obama, we would not have liked it.

It was classless and not funny.

What's the difference between dead by hanging and dead by decapitation? I'm tired of seeing mofos apologize when they fight fire with fire. You can't drag the right into the future by force if you're gonna punish yourself for doing what they do. You want to see the same fervor on the left that has gotten the tea party the driving seat of the GOP? That is what it's gonna take: a IDGAF attitude.

They wanna arm themselves? Let them know that liberals carry too.

They want to insult our politicians? Slap them with a thesaurus, make crass cartoons/videos about theirs, and tell them to EAD.

Sometimes, it's OK to say "**** this 'we go high' ****, meet me in the mud" and I feel like it's way past time to do so. The right has been using the left's willingness to compromise to their advantage and they have successfully pulled the political landscape in a zone where their extremists are taken seriously.

 

[frink85]

She hosts the NYE thing with Anderson Cooper

I hope that's all she does at CNN

 

[RustyShackleford]

Dude what? It is Kathy Griffin, she didn't do this to as some great message to conservative, she didn't do this as a member of the resistance fighting for economic and social justice, she did this for shock value and entertainment.

And I'm suppose to defend this because it upsets conservatives? Why?

This is not productive, this is buffoonery. The only positive thing about the Tea Party is that they showed up on every election day, even at primary time to kick out half steppers. That is what I want for the left

I do not want a constant flow of buffoonery and ignorance and a rustle war that obfuscates the real issues. Yes liberals should not let themselves be pushed around by the right. But sinking to the levels of the right on all things is not the play. We have to hold on some principles, this isn't a moral race to the bottom

Plus Griffin and people like her are not my allies in the fight for justice. They are opportunist that want attention

 

[Belgium]

First of all,























what the **** was a comedian doing working for CNN?

Second, between Fared Zachariah calling Trump presidential for bombing Syria and this, I can see why they are calling it the ESPN of news. She can go back to the stand up circuit, she'll be fine.


What's the difference between dead by hanging and dead by decapitation? I'm tired of seeing mofos apologize when they fight fire with fire. You can't drag the right into the future by force if you're gonna punish yourself for doing what they do. You want to see the same fervor on the left that has gotten the tea party the driving seat of the GOP? That is what it's gonna take: a IDGAF attitude.

They wanna arm themselves? Let them know that liberals carry too.

They want to insult our politicians? Slap them with a thesaurus, make crass cartoons/videos about theirs, and tell them to EAD.

Sometimes, it's OK to say "**** this 'we go high' ****, meet me in the mud" and I feel like it's way past time to do so. The right has been using the left's willingness to compromise to their advantage and they have successfully pulled the political landscape in a zone where their extremists are taken seriously.

But don't you think there's a difference between the things you mentioned; arming yourselves, cartoons, ... and essentially mocking death/assassination? You can opt to not take the high road without alluding to assassination, especially in such a graphic manner. The burning and hanging of Obama effigies, lynching signs, etc. is by far the most reprehensible of all but I don't think that's a level the left should stoop to, or anyone for that matter. What positive can possibly come from actions like that?