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Let me answer your questions:

1. You are stating it is without consent, but that has not been illustrated as a matter of law.

2. You cited the federal code. But in this case you would need to find an applicable state code. I think the code you posted applies to members of the armed forces. So it is not applicable in this context.

But I understand how you got mixed up.

Hahaha it must be tough looking in the mirror most days. Its no wonder you vote with your wallet because if you didn't have any money what would you have? A sense of identity is obviously a concept that is lost on you.

Here is the penal law from NY state where Trump has lived for 73 years of his miserable pathetic excuse for a life.

S 130.00 Sex offenses; definitions of terms.


S 130.52 Forcible touching.
A person is guilty of forcible touching when such person
intentionally, and for no legitimate purpose:
1. forcibly touches the sexual or other intimate parts of another
person for the purpose of degrading or abusing such person, or for the
purpose of gratifying the actor's sexual desire; or
2. subjects another person to sexual contact for the purpose of
gratifying the actor's sexual desire and with intent to degrade or abuse
such other person while such other person is a passenger on a bus,
train, or subway car operated by any transit agency, authority or
company, public or private, whose operation is authorized by New York
state or any of its political subdivisions.
For the purposes of this section, forcible touching includes
squeezing, grabbing or pinching.

Forcible touching is a class A misdemeanor.

S 130.53 Persistent sexual abuse.
A person is guilty of persistent sexual abuse when he or she commits
the crime of forcible touching, as defined in section 130.52
of this
article, sexual abuse in the third degree, as defined in section 130.55
of this article, or sexual abuse in the second degree, as defined in
section 130.60 of this article, and, within the previous ten year
period, excluding any time during which such person was incarcerated for
any reason, has been convicted two or more times, in separate criminal
transactions for which sentence was imposed on separate occasions, of
forcible touching, as defined in section 130.52 of this article, sexual
abuse in the third degree as defined in section 130.55 of this article,
sexual abuse in the second degree, as defined in section 130.60 of this
article, or any offense defined in this article, of which the commission
or attempted commission thereof is a felony.
Persistent sexual abuse is a class E felony.

S 130.55 Sexual abuse in the third degree.
A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the third degree when he or she
subjects another person to sexual contact without the latter`s consent;

except that in any prosecution under this section, it is an affirmative
defense that (a) such other person`s lack of consent was due solely to
incapacity to consent by reason of being less than seventeen years old,
and (b) such other person was more than fourteen years old, and (c) the
defendant was less than five years older than such other person.
Sexual abuse in the third degree is a class B misdemeanor.

S 130.60 Sexual abuse in the second degree.
A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the second degree when he or she
subjects another person to sexual contact and when such other person is:
1. Incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less
than seventeen years old; or
2. Less than fourteen years old.

Sexual abuse in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

S 130.65 Sexual abuse in the first degree.
A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the first degree when he or she
subjects another person to sexual contact:

1. By forcible compulsion; or
2. When the other person is incapable of consent by reason of being
physically helpless; or
3. When the other person is less than eleven years old; or
4. When the other person is less than thirteen years old and the actor
is twenty-one years old or older.
Sexual abuse in the first degree is a class D felony.

SIGH
 
Supreme Court just ruled against the Trump administration's effort to strip DACA recipients of their protected status.
5-4 decision with Roberts as the swing vote.


Statement from US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Deputy Director for Policy:
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Hahaha it must be tough looking in the mirror most days. Its no wonder you vote with your wallet because if you didn't have any money what would you have? A sense of identity is obviously a concept that is lost on you.

Here is the penal law from NY state where Trump has lived for 73 years of his miserable pathetic excuse for a life.

S 130.00 Sex offenses; definitions of terms.


S 130.52 Forcible touching.
A person is guilty of forcible touching when such person
intentionally, and for no legitimate purpose:
1. forcibly touches the sexual or other intimate parts of another
person for the purpose of degrading or abusing such person, or for the
purpose of gratifying the actor's sexual desire; or
2. subjects another person to sexual contact for the purpose of
gratifying the actor's sexual desire and with intent to degrade or abuse
such other person while such other person is a passenger on a bus,
train, or subway car operated by any transit agency, authority or
company, public or private, whose operation is authorized by New York
state or any of its political subdivisions.
For the purposes of this section, forcible touching includes
squeezing, grabbing or pinching.

Forcible touching is a class A misdemeanor.

S 130.53 Persistent sexual abuse.
A person is guilty of persistent sexual abuse when he or she commits
the crime of forcible touching, as defined in section 130.52
of this
article, sexual abuse in the third degree, as defined in section 130.55
of this article, or sexual abuse in the second degree, as defined in
section 130.60 of this article, and, within the previous ten year
period, excluding any time during which such person was incarcerated for
any reason, has been convicted two or more times, in separate criminal
transactions for which sentence was imposed on separate occasions, of
forcible touching, as defined in section 130.52 of this article, sexual
abuse in the third degree as defined in section 130.55 of this article,
sexual abuse in the second degree, as defined in section 130.60 of this
article, or any offense defined in this article, of which the commission
or attempted commission thereof is a felony.
Persistent sexual abuse is a class E felony.

S 130.55 Sexual abuse in the third degree.
A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the third degree when he or she
subjects another person to sexual contact without the latter`s consent;

except that in any prosecution under this section, it is an affirmative
defense that (a) such other person`s lack of consent was due solely to
incapacity to consent by reason of being less than seventeen years old,
and (b) such other person was more than fourteen years old, and (c) the
defendant was less than five years older than such other person.
Sexual abuse in the third degree is a class B misdemeanor.

S 130.60 Sexual abuse in the second degree.
A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the second degree when he or she
subjects another person to sexual contact and when such other person is:
1. Incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less
than seventeen years old; or
2. Less than fourteen years old.

Sexual abuse in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

S 130.65 Sexual abuse in the first degree.
A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the first degree when he or she
subjects another person to sexual contact:

1. By forcible compulsion; or
2. When the other person is incapable of consent by reason of being
physically helpless; or
3. When the other person is less than eleven years old; or
4. When the other person is less than thirteen years old and the actor
is twenty-one years old or older.
Sexual abuse in the first degree is a class D felony.

SIGH

I don't think the tape, without more, meets the standard you have set forth based on this.

Which is what I said initially.
 
Agent Orange literally says "I don't even wait...blah blah blah" in that access Hollywood tape so how could consent be given? Delk every day you get lower and lower defending that clown.



You don't understand consent, clearly.

And I am not going to go into an in depth conversation on it.

If you asked "how would they have time to revoke consent?" then you would see how nonsensical/ridiculous it is to say the reverse.

Consent can be given and consent can be revoked in an instant.

And the tape (while utterly ridiculous), without more, doesn't meet the standard.
 
I don't think the tape, without more, meets the standard you have set forth based on this.

Which is what I said initially.

Like it or not what you think and what the law states are two different things AND I didn't ask what you think because I already know the answer to that.

I did not set the standard for NEW YORK PENAL CODE, the state of New York did that. Im just giving you facts that you are either too lazy or too inept to find for yourself.
 
Like it or not what you think and what the law states are two different things AND I didn't ask what you think because I already know the answer to that.

I did not set the standard for NEW YORK PENAL CODE, the state of New York did that. Im just giving you facts that you are either too lazy or too inept to find for yourself.

Okay mister cite to the federal code...

What was I thinking?
 
Guys, guys. Can we block out all this noise and focus on the real story of the day?

Who the hell is Nestor and why is a 31-year-old creepy white DUI-loving racist congressman with a punchable face sheltering a teenage boy?



Son? Or local student?

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Or helper?







This is just weird.....



Even weird people think this is weird......
 
Okay mister cite to the federal code...

What was I thinking?

You were probably thinking that you are more clever than you actually are, but who knows, I try not to imagine what's going on in a confused, self-loathing mind such as yours.
 


like this is a film noir movie ending weird, where the deeper you look the weirder it gets.......


At this point I don't understand why these politicians continue to lie so brazenly like people can't hop online and pull receipts in 5 minutes. Matt Gaetz is everything that is wrong with politics in this country. "I have an adopted Cuban son so of course I care about black people." Dude needs a geography lesson amongst other things.
 
If I was on here saying the things Candace Owens says, then I would understand your perspective. But I am not.

I don't have to adopt every position of this administration to believe that the First Step Act, Fair Chance Act, and record funding to HBCUs is positive.

It also appears that we will be getting a police reform bill.

I understand if you want to hand wave those measures or credit them to the Democrats but they were signed into law under this administration. And I think similar measures will continue to be passed under this administration. And that is good for people that look like me. And not just the 8% you cited.
When I'm going to call you a simpleton for believing that Trump cares more about the effectiveness of the bills he signs than the image boost and political points he gets from his stunts, you're gonna say I'm calling you names. The naivete of the arguments you have presented to explain the DOJ actions is sigh worthy.
 
When I'm going to call you a simpleton for believing that Trump cares more about the effectiveness of the bills he signs than the image boost and political points he gets from his stunts, you're gonna say I'm calling you names. The naivete of the arguments you have presented to explain the DOJ actions is sigh worthy.

That is the difference. You are focused on what he really cares about.

Someone can really care deeply about an issue but be unable to translate that care into passed legislation.

In this case legislation is getting passed under an administration that you feel doesn't care.

Whether Trump cares, or not, the measures have been passed and lives have been changes as a result. That is a positive--to me.
 
At this point I don't understand why these politicians continue to lie so brazenly like people can't hop online and pull receipts in 5 minutes. Matt Gaetz is everything that is wrong with politics in this country. "I have an adopted Cuban son so of course I care about black people." Dude needs a geography lesson amongst other things.

He is stupid too. He could have called Nestor his son and walked it back on some “I love him like a son” but he said he adopted him and that is not something you “feel”. He is this kids Mentor and just used his whole existence to make a stupid point.
 
He is stupid too. He could have called Nestor his son and walked it back on some “I love him like a son” but he said he adopted him and that is not something you “feel”. He is this kids Mentor and just used his whole existence to make a stupid point.

While I agree this is odd, I don't think he said Nestor was adopted by him.
 
At this point I don't understand why these politicians continue to lie so brazenly like people can't hop online and pull receipts in 5 minutes. Matt Gaetz is everything that is wrong with politics in this country. "I have an adopted Cuban son so of course I care about black people." Dude needs a geography lesson amongst other things.
He is stupid too. He could have called Nestor his son and walked it back on some “I love him like a son” but he said he adopted him and that is not something you “feel”. He is this kids Mentor and just used his whole existence to make a stupid point.

Do you think he paid off Nestor? I’m genuinely confused about their relationship now. Nestor gotta mad as hell he’s got all this heat on him. Every friend and yamb he smashed is bout to come forward :lol:

While I agree this is odd, I don't think he said Nestor was adopted by him.

If he didn’t adopt Nestor, how else is Nestor his son?
 
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