***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[mplsdunk]

My co worker is Spanish and goes home for the winters.

He was there during the lockdown, he said it was 600 dollar fine for breaking it, they had undercover cops giving fines and only one person per household was allowed to shop. So if you went with your wife or whatever you got fined too.

idk why he came back tbh, I don’t even think he knows.

 

[dwalk31]

we all know why he said that dumb **** man. you like to pepper your weak protestations with apologist nonsense. c'mon man. if you're gonna condemn something, condemn that **** outright. be a man once in a while. you're embarrassing your fraternity.

Did you read my post?

I said it was, unequivocally, wrong and that I do not accept it. Period.

Not only did I say that it was potentially harmful to Asian-Americans but I also said that it stokes anti-asian sentiment.

That is an unequivocal condemnation of his use of the term.

 

[elpablo21]

"I think"
"by him"
"his assertion"

Delk asking a girl out: "I was thinking, maybe, you know, if somebody, possibly me, could be so bold as to query you for some of your time, perhaps a date, but that is synonymous with a meeting, so let's not get carried away with the word choice. It could be just you and me, or you, me, and your friends. I would prefer the former but the latter could be maybe better than nothing. I am not a doctor, that is something I repeatedly like to say as a caveat. Also, I think that, to some extent, you may actually enjoy my company. Again, please don't take my assertion too strongly, it is merely something I am saying. Please judge me by what I do because sometimes I say things that are technically not true but it is not a lie either. Feel free to sigh in disagreement with any particular thing I have said."

edit: (sent 5 minutes later) "Please respond."

 

[boris]

1. I don't think that he urges his supporters to not take it serious. But I do think he thinks it plays well to his base and many that have lost their jobs/livelihoods as a result of the response to COVID to focus more heavily on other issues.

2. If the virus is killing at a large rate, then it would seem that the rallies would hurt his chances based on the survival chances of his base that attend (and who they eventually come in contact with).

Also, I think that, to some extent, facilitation of the spread is happening regardless. Grocery stores facilitate, Target/Walmart facilitate, weddings facilitate, the current marches/protests facilitate, etc.

I think people are having to make individual decisions based on what they deem important.

To be clear I'm suggesting that he's not urging his supporters to take it seriously, not that he's urging his supporters to not take it seriously. What comes to my mind is that studies have concluded that social distancing and widespread mask usage help decrease transmission. I'm looking at Trump's Twitter account right now and I don't see any posts about wearing masks. I think we can agree that he could easily persuade his base to social distance and wear masks. Isn't this just kind of gross negligence for human life?

No disagreement with point 2.

Well, yeah. No disagreement that other gatherings are facilitating the spread. I would argue his rally was unnecessary though. He could broadcast online. You can't really social distance inside of a stadium. At least where I live you can't enter a Target if you aren't wearing a mask, and they control the number of people that enter.

The point that I'm ultimately getting at is that the bare minimum Trump and the GOP could be doing is urging their supporters to social distance and wear masks. It would take zero effort for them and would have a substantial impact on infection numbers. They know how to reduce the number of people that will die, they can easily do this, so why don't they? And are these the people you trust to bring positive change?

 

[KHUFU]

But it is clear when you put the full quotes that he mentions doctors prescribing it and even mentioned having to ask his doctor.

He also repeatedly gives the caveat that he is not a doctor.

Naw man. I know that you are bul@#5ing right now. Gotta be. He may have asked HIS Doctor, but he most definitely told the public that they should try it, making it sound like some PEZ candy.

 

[junglejim]

I have unequivocally stated that what Trump has said is wrong thousands of times, but despite the fact that he continues to use such rhetoric I still support him and will vote for him in November. I cannot condem his rhetoric any harsher than that.

He is not a racist and despite the fact that I have to continually condemn his racist statements I will still stand by my assertion that he is not a racist.

 

[yobyellav]

Ah, the familiar pattern

Step 1: Trump says or admits something abominable
Step 2: WH officials insist he was just joking and attack those who would argue otherwise
Step 3: Trump doubles down and makes it clear he wasn't joking

Step 4: Commentators pick and choose when they want to believe the things he says

step 4 is the administration saying it’s no big deal that he said it and wasn’t joking.

 

[dwalk31]

To be clear I'm suggesting that he's not urging his supporters to take it seriously, not that he's urging his supporters to not take it seriously. What comes to my mind is that studies have concluded that social distancing and widespread mask usage help decrease transmission. I'm looking at Trump's Twitter account right now and I don't see any posts about wearing masks. I think we can agree that he could easily persuade his base to social distance and wear masks. Isn't this just kind of gross negligence for human life?

No disagreement with point 2.

Well, yeah. No disagreement that other gatherings are facilitating the spread. I would argue his rally was unnecessary though. He could broadcast online. You can't really social distance inside of a stadium. At least where I live you can't enter a Target if you aren't wearing a mask, and they control the number of people that enter.

The point that I'm ultimately getting at is that the bare minimum Trump and the GOP could be doing is urging their supporters to social distance and wear masks. It would take zero effort for them and would have a substantial impact on infection numbers. They know how to reduce the number of people that will die, they can easily do this, so why don't they? And are these the people you trust to bring positive change?

It is my understanding that masks were provided at the rally and there were signs instructing people of best practices related to wearing masks and social distancing.

So I don't think it is exactly fair to say they weren't urged to do so.

But people undoubtedly chose not to wear a mask or social distance based on the pictures.

 

[dwalk31]

Naw man. I know that you are bul@#5ing right now. Gotta be. He may have asked HIS Doctor, but he most definitely told the public that they should try it, making it sound like some PEZ candy.

If you pull it up, after he said that he said "of course I have to ask my doctor."

That seems pretty clear that asking a doctor is the protocol--to me at least.

You seriously think most folks are under the impression that they should get medical treatment advice from Trump instead of their doctor?

 

[KHUFU]

If you pull it up, after he said that he said "of course I have to ask my doctor."

That seems pretty clear that asking a doctor is the protocol--to me at least.

You seriously think most folks are under the impression that they should get medical treatment advice from Trump instead of their doctor?

Not only do they get their medical advice from Trump, but corona was a hoax! Didn't you know?!

 

[Belgium]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/us/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-politicized.html
Roger Stone Sentencing Was Politicized, Ex-Prosecutor Plans to Testify
The prosecutor’s supervisor said that the case was being treated differently because of the defendant’s relationship with the president, according to planned testimony.

Senior law enforcement officials intervened to seek a more lenient prison sentence for President Trump’s friend and ally Roger J. Stone Jr. for political reasons, a former prosecutor on the case is expected to testify before Congress on Wednesday, citing his immediate supervisors’s account of the matter.

“What I heard — repeatedly — was that Roger Stone was being treated differently from any other defendant because of his relationship to the president,” said the prosecutor, Aaron S.J. Zelinsky, in a written opening statement submitted on Tuesday to the House Judiciary Committee ahead of Wednesday’s hearing. A copy was obtained by The New York Times.

Mr. Zelinksy will say that a supervisor working on the case told him there were “political reasons” to shorten prosecutors’ initial sentencing guidelines and that the supervisor agreed that doing so “was unethical and wrong.” Mr. Zelinksy said he and his fellow prosecutors raised concerns in writing and in conversation, but his “objections were not heeded.”

Mr. Zelinsky did not say in his written statement whom he was referring to. Attorney General William P. Barr directed the intervention days after he maneuvered the Senate-confirmed U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Jessie K. Liu, out of her role and installed in her place as acting U.S. attorney a close aide from his own office, Timothy Shea.

Mr. Zelinsky plans to say that he was told that Mr. Shea “was receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the Department of Justice to cut Stone a break” and complied because he was “afraid of the president.” Mr. Zelinsky is expected to testify that he and other line prosecutors were told the case was “not the hill worth dying on” and that they could lose their jobs if they did not fall in line.

 

[dwalk31]

Not only do they get their medical advice from Trump, but corona was a hoax! Didn't you know?!

See, now who is BS'n?

He said the democrats' criticism of his response was a hoax... not the virus.

He had daily briefings on the virus for a while. Rejected lifting the guidelines despite initially saying he aspired for an Easter lifting, etc.

 

[KHUFU]

See, now who is BS'n?

He said the democrats' criticism of his response was a hoax... not the virus.

He had daily briefings on the virus for a while. Rejected lifting the guidelines despite initially saying he aspired for an Easter lifting, etc.

He didn't say that it was going to go away once the weather gets warm?



Really?

 

[KHUFU]

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

He didn't say that it was going to go away once the weather gets warm?



Really?

I mean, no.

He didn't say that.

Suggested that it could? Yes
Said other people are saying it would? Yes

I know you are probably thinking this is a distinction without a difference, but it is significant.

The narratives get shifted when hyperbole is interjected. He is certainly not above criticism, but why not leave it to what he has actually said? Instead of making an exaggerated quote?

 

[gry60]

You seriously think most folks are under the impression that they should get medical treatment advice from Trump instead of their doctor?

The base doesn't have doctors; the party leadership definitely makes sure of that.
In addition wasn't there a video of a supporter at his rally saying that he would take hydroxichloroquine as recommended by Trump if he felt ill?

 

[KHUFU]

I mean, no.

He didn't say that.

Suggested that it could? Yes
Said other people are saying it would? Yes

I know you are probably thinking this is a distinction without a difference, but it is significant.

The narratives get shifted when hyperbole is interjected. He is certainly not above criticism, but why not leave it to what he has actually said? Instead of making an exaggerated quote?

You need to stop.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[dwalk31]

Since you're in here, how do you feel about the school choice initiatives under this administration?

KHUFU

Anyone else can chime in too.

Maybe we can get some actual political discussion related to policies.

 

[boris]

It is my understanding that masks were provided at the rally and there were signs instructing people of best practices related to wearing masks and social distancing.

So I don't think it is exactly fair to say they weren't urged to do so.

But people undoubtedly chose not to wear a mask or social distance based on the pictures.

From what I saw, neither Donald Trump nor Mike Pence wore masks to demonstrate what people should be doing. Unless I'm mistaken, neither of them urged the people at the rally to wear masks. They could have stood there in silence until people put their masks on.

My argument is that Donald Trump could urge his supporters to wear masks and follow social distancing guidelines. It is something that would take minimal effort and would have a substantial impact.

I think we could even agree that if Donald Trump urged his supporters to do something, they would do it (see: people using bleach to cure COVID, or taking hydroxychloroquine).

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[stuntman mike]

Did you read my post?

I said it was, unequivocally, wrong and that I do not accept it. Period.

Not only did I say that it was potentially harmful to Asian-Americans but I also said that it stokes anti-asian sentiment.

That is an unequivocal condemnation of his use of the term.

I read your post and would offer up a suggestion.
THIS is an unequivocal condemnation.

I think that the term is used, by him, to emphasize his assertion that COVID-19 came from China.

The terminology is, undoubtedly, potentially harmful to many Asian-Americans and can be is used to stoke anti-Asian sentiment in the U.S.

That, along with much of his rhetoric, unequivocally goes in the box things he shouldn't say.

He had stopped for a while, but it appears that someone has told him (or he personally thinks) that doubling-down is somehow politically expedient.

I don't support it.

 

[aepps20]

"I think"
"by him"
"his assertion"

Delk asking a girl out: "I was thinking, maybe, you know, if somebody, possibly me, could be so bold as to query you for some of your time, perhaps a date, but that is synonymous with a meeting, so let's not get carried away with the word choice. It could be just you and me, or you, me, and your friends. I would prefer the former but the latter could be maybe better than nothing. I am not a doctor, that is something I repeatedly like to say as a caveat. Also, I think that, to some extent, you may actually enjoy my company. Again, please don't take my assertion too strongly, it is merely something I am saying. Please judge me by what I do because sometimes I say things that are technically not true but it is not a lie either. Feel free to sigh in disagreement with any particular thing I have said."

edit: (sent 5 minutes later) "Please respond."

He uses these same mental gymnastics to support Pedos like Roy Moore.