:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Season Thread [2-2 vs Cardinals 10/07 1:05PST]:::

[moe200069]

tim ryan summarizing what we were seeing. he was getting pushed all over the line of scrimmage

but to big uso's credit, this is his first year playing major snaps and was against one of the best lines in the league.

 

[red81]

you don't need to be a an X's and O's guy to see what goes wrong here.

niners playing in a true 3-4 front: 4-0-4 across the board. some stuff dial and willhoite could have done better, but mike purcell continues to be the glaring weakness in this defense.

instead of stacking the center and accounting for both A-gaps, mike purcell bumps the center, releases him to the second level and gets blocked by the reaching left guard.

center gets to bowman

massive running lane created

 

for comparison, ian williams playing the nose against the same type of run(outside zone)

 

holds point of attack, control both A-gaps, slows down their play flow to the bubble and makes the play. this is what high level nose play looks like.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Damn I miss Ian Williams forgot how well he played last year.

 

[jonwin]

Red,

Is this what you were talking about w/ O'Neill trying to make our defense do the "disguising" coverages but our young players just not executing it properly and thus making it open season for opposing offenses like how the Seahawks had?

Does this mean we have a chance at holding the Cards' offense in check too if O'Neill is still gonna run the D like this

Think David Johnson goes off though either way. Dude is a problem.


This was from a Fantasy article on SI but made me think of what Red was saying couple weeks ago about attempting to have our guys play the disguised coverages.

As Andy Benoit pointed out on our podcast, opponents are disguising coverages effectively early in the down against Palmer, causing him to hesitate, which is throwing off the timing of plays and giving the pass rush an extra beat to get to Palmer.

My crackpot theory: The solution might be for the Cardinals to speed everything up. When you go hurry-up, it limits the defense’s ability to layer on chicanery, they just have to line up and play. (That’s fine if you’re the Seahawks, that’s a problem if you’re anyone else.) I think it’s a big reason why the Cardinals marched down the field on the Rams in their two-minute drill, then did nothing for the rest of the game. The hurry-up would allow them to dictate the terms, and it would potentially lead to a big uptick in statistical production for all the Cardinals.

 

[bentrill]

Damn. Seeing those gifs really makes you understand how valubale a good NT can be. Ian williams is a very underrated player. Suckes he has to go through injuries

 

[red81]

ian williams is a god damn human sized cork in that defensive line. i've been banging the "#93 is an elite nose tackle" drum since the beginning of last year. the guy is quietly one of the best at what he does.

testament to jimmy T. he sharpened ian's skills to a samurai blade's razor sharpness.

you can't take on a double team more textbook than this. this literally perfect.

 

Red,

Is this what you were talking about w/ O'Neill trying to make our defense do the "disguising" coverages but our young players just not executing it properly and thus making it open season for opposing offenses like how the Seahawks had?

Does this mean we have a chance at holding the Cards' offense in check too if O'Neill is still gonna run the D like this

Think David Johnson goes off though either way. Dude is a problem.


This was from a Fantasy article on SI but made me think of what Red was saying couple weeks ago about attempting to have our guys play the disguised coverages.

As Andy Benoit pointed out on our podcast, opponents are disguising coverages effectively early in the down against Palmer, causing him to hesitate, which is throwing off the timing of plays and giving the pass rush an extra beat to get to Palmer.

My crackpot theory: The solution might be for the Cardinals to speed everything up. When you go hurry-up, it limits the defense’s ability to layer on chicanery, they just have to line up and play. (That’s fine if you’re the Seahawks, that’s a problem if you’re anyone else.) I think it’s a big reason why the Cardinals marched down the field on the Rams in their two-minute drill, then did nothing for the rest of the game. The hurry-up would allow them to dictate the terms, and it would potentially lead to a big uptick in statistical production for all the Cardinals.

yup, that's definitely one element.

i think david johnson is going to kill us. 

 IMO, he's the second best RB in the NFL.

 

[bentrill]

In the words of tim ryan purcell is garbage. No need for him to be starting on thursday with dorsey ready to go.

Im not expert or nothing but watching him get handled

 

[22stylez]

ian williams is a god damn human sized cork in that defensive line. i've been banging the "#93 is an elite nose tackle" drum since the beginning of last year. the guy is quietly one of the best at what he does.

testament to jimmy T. he sharpened ian's skills to a samurai blade's razor sharpness.

you can't take on a double team more textbook than this. this literally perfect.

 


yup, that's definitely one element.


i think david johnson is going to kill us. :x  IMO, he's the second best RB in the NFL.

First goes to?

 

[red81]

le'veon bell

come on, bro. you know that.

 

[red81]

defo and jimmie out for TNF.

give ronald blair more snaps, jim o'neil, you ginger cocksucker. 

 

 

[dland24]

Not sure why people are coming at Jim O'Neil like they are.  He is doing an ok job.  Its not his fault we lack talent on defense. 

 

[red81]

not sure how you can not see see the problems here. it's blatant. 

do you under gap integrity? fits? personnel management? 

why are we using single gap assignments for double gapping players????? why are there gaps unaccounted for in his fronts(ie blitzes multiple people in the same gap and leaving gaps unaccounted for)? why he is using so many different fits for different players leaving everyone unsure and confused of their assignment? utilizing players against their strengths?? 

 Rather than being assigned specific gaps, Cleveland's defensive linemen play different techniques based on how their offensive counterparts are blocking them. The linebackers, then, are expected to guess what technique their teammates are using, scrape through the resulting mess and make the play. Opposing offenses have identified this flaw on film and are repeatedly, week-after-week, gashing the edge of Cleveland's defense. It's a completely chaotic approach to stopping the run, and players have said—off the record—they're spending way too much time thinking, and not nearly enough time reacting.

 
In his two years with the Browns, O'Neil was viewed as Mike Pettine's  buddy who was suddenly given a title promotion as "defensive coordinator." In 2014, the Browns' secondary was stout, but the run defense was among the worst in football. What little success the Browns had was attributed to Pettine anyway, who was a defensive coach. This year, Pettine stepped away from the defense, allowing O'Neil a chance to grow into his role. Instead, pretty much every facet of the defense was terrible.

The run defense was gashed most of the year. The secondary was as bad as I've seen since 1999, and that includes CB Joe Haden  when he was in the lineup. None of the team's rookies had breakout seasons, and players like Paul Kruger  and Barkevious Mingo  were utilized in roles that didn't seem to play to their strengths. The stunning lack of development of the team's young players also stood out as a negative on O'Neil's resume. I thought he'd be lucky to walk into a job as a position coach again, but to lock up a defensive coordinator position again? Preposterous. To me, it seems like Chip Kelly  is hiring another castoff from the Browns who isn't prominent, and therefore can't overshadow him:

yup, look's like he brought this ******** here as well. does this sound like a fundamentally sound scheme to you? lmao. if you can't see the issues here, you might need to brush up on your football 101.

 

[jewelknows]

Yea man O'Neil is basura. I feel this D Line can be much better.

I just don't like what he's doing with these guys. Maybe I'm just so used to Fangio. No cuteness as red would say. You knew what he was doing, and the guys executed. I feel our D Line could be performing much better.

 

[red81]

 players like Paul Kruger  and Barkevious Mingo  were utilized in roles that didn't seem to play to their strengths.

hmmm. that sounds awfully familiar. 

this wouldn't apply to any of these, would it???  deforest buckner as a OLB? or eli harold as a middle linebacker? ronald blair as a nose tackle? eric reid as a 5-technique defensive end???

 
does anyone else see a problem here?

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

eric reid is literally playing defensive end. no ******* joke. that's not a blitz or a coverage assignment at the line. jim o'neil is literally using reid to run stunts.

that is 6'7" 300+ lbs deforest buckner playing outside linebacker 

LOL

o'neil dials up cover 1 vs seattle. look where he has eric reid lined up...guess where seattle attacks??????

SURPRISE

cover 1/3 is supposed to have an advantage against seam routes, but since o'neil thought it was a bright idea to line up his center fielder nearly 20 yards behind his mike linebacker, there was an opening the size of the yucatan peninsula in the middle of the field.

a lot of coverages are so hard to discern because the assignments are so convoluted. our guys are constantly confused as to what exactly their assignment is. a play that stands out to me ie a combo coverage vs seattle: right side of secondary was pattern matching, left side was playing cover 2. there was confusion in the middle of the field because these are two entirely different concepts. the result was a jimmy graham TD.

remember that jim o'neil has his linebackers GUESS their gap responsibility based on where the front guys line up. oh, and yeah, that's eric reid playing inside linebacker, a position he has no history playing. look at the middle of the cowboys line. their center is going to get an unhindered release because there's nobody over the A-gaps.

this alignment gives the dallas' center, an all-pro/prowler, a one-way release to the second level. he chips purcell and gets up the second level freely to take out bowman. bowman was ****** from the start. he had no chance. eric reid, never playing ILB in his life, takes a terrible first step and flows to the wrong side of the play(in case there's any x's and o's junkies out there: that was not a scrape exchange between reid and eli--eli didn't crash).

excellent fits here by the defensive coordinator. 

 the result was a 15-yard run by elliot. 

i have a lot more. just ask, and ye shall receive. 

yup, jim o'neil is doing an ok job.....lmao 

 GTF O H

 

[heatseeker23]

i have a lot more. just ask, and ye shall receive. 

I'm askin

 

[red81]

giants game is on, so you're going to have to wait.

in the meantime, here's a cute clip of eli harold, a 3-4 outside linebacker, being used in a disguised coverage as a spy/robber to play the hook zone on a 3rd and 6. 

great idea to drop a 270 lbs OLB into space and into a position/assignment he's has absolutely no instincts for or familiarity with because he's not a ******* ILB.

this was an easy completion for a first down for dallas.

you just got jim o'neil'ed 

 

[bentrill]

Technically Jim oniel is play calling on another level. What opposing offense coordinator or HC ever guess a olb would drop back in coverage or have a S attack their guard as a DE.

AReal talk though everything Red is pointing out leads back to jim oniel being a horrible defensice coordinator up to this point in the season. 

 

[red81]

i hope our whole organization was tuning in tonight!! that's what a ******* winner looks like!!!

fuch yeah!!! 

 

[hyper cutter]

Who's better at preventing players from getting into the red zone, Jim O'Neil or Greg Roman?

 

[moe200069]

good lord, i'm convinced that playing against Red in madden would be frustrating as hell. for one, you probably wouldn't be able to do anything against his defense. and two, he's probably one of those cats who takes 25 seconds scanning through the playbook to select a call and then another 14 seconds of audibles

 

[moiety]

I'm ridin' with my squad until the last game they play every season

Really hurts not getting that win against Dallas when you see our upcoming schedule, now I'm not saying we're a great team or anything but being 2-2 going into the 2nd quarter of the season with games against a Palmer-less Cards squad, Bills, Bucs, Saints would have been nice. Hopefully we can get it goin' a bit. **** tanking , dumbest/weakest **** and mindset you can have in professional sports

good lord, i'm convinced that playing against Red in madden would be frustrating as hell. for one, you probably wouldn't be able to do anything against his defense. and two, he's probably one of those cats who takes 25 seconds scanning through the playbook to select a call and then another 14 seconds of audibles

All red would need is 3 points and I'd be done

From what I've seen/what Red has blessed us with info-wise...i swear I'd have no problem with Red as our DC. Not even lyin' either

 

[red81]

lol only thing i can coach is flag football. i sure can coach the hell out of that. 

GAME DAY. we suck, BUT **** IT. BANG BANG.

 

[nothingtol0se]

lol only thing i can coach is flag football. i sure can coach the hell out of that. 





GAME DAY. we suck, BUT **** IT. BANG BANG.

holla at me if you ever need a safety. Or even a QB

 

[jonwin]

lol only thing i can coach is flag football. i sure can coach the hell out of that. 





GAME DAY. we suck, BUT **** IT. BANG BANG.

You ever done any high school coaching? Work your way up into the college ranks and then eventually da league and then some 5-15 years from now, lead us back to the promised land as a DC

 

[red81]

yeah, i did when my little brother was playing at mills high school in millbrae, ca. don't anymore.

i got offered a low-level assistant position at college of san mateo, but i turned it down to focus on school. im currently working on my grad degree, so maybe after i finish that, i'll go back into football.

one of my homies that does what i do here on another forum got hired by bleacherreport lol. check him out @johnowning he knows his ****.