OFFICIAL Ye fka "kanYe West" x G.O.O.D. Music Thread - ¥$ (AKA YE X TY DOLLA SIGN) - VULTURES 2 (NOW AVAILABLE sorta)

[nako xl]

I really have no idea what this dude is thinking anymorel

Haven't you felt this way before the VMA's?

Some of you are adorable....

Rather than being so concerned with what I think, why don't you tell me what you thought of that "performance". Read the words. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he does.

But that **** was pointless to me. Dude blacked out standing in front of a still shot from National Geographic.

OK.

I watched the performance with my 50+ year old parents, aunt and uncle and all 4 of them were like "whoa, I never checked for Kanye before but I really enjoyed that.  He's kind of a great performer."

My 12 year old sister and cousins all said "what the ****? how much autotune is he using..."

My parents had never listened to kanye (outside of gold digger) and had never seen him perform and thought it was great.  My sister hates kanye (because of taylor swift business, and mostly hates rap), my cousins kept talking about how weird he is and how he always tries to be too cool and cant sing and dresses funny (the same reasons they love one direction and drake according to them).

So I mean, obviously his performance is going to appeal to SOMEONE out there as evidenced by it appealing to my old folks who dont even like hip hop, and he's going to displease the people who already dont like him or look for him to displease them -- the kids who had made up their minds before he even took the stage.

Me, personally I was kinda in the middle on the performance.  I'm glad he picked Blood on the Leaves.  It shows he knows it's a good song and deserves to be blasted, and didn't make the obvious move which would have been to pick new slaves or bound, or even a "**** you" to everyone by performing can't hold my liquor.  But then I thought the projecting himself as a giant above everyone was an "interesting" move if nothing else.  It was a pretty plain performance.  If any acoustic musician did it though theyd be getting praised for killing right now.

Because it's hip hop and more so, Kanye, people want bright lights and lazers and over the top.  I know what he was going for, just trying to let the music be heard and blacking himself out to everyone else, but still showing he's bigger than everyone there.  It's gonna work for some people and not gonna work for others.  I however thought it was pretty good. 

I would have liked two songs though. 

 

[tay1]

He should've performed New Slaves. It would've had people hype.

 

[illphillip]

It was a pretty plain performance. If any acoustic musician did it though theyd be getting praised for killing right now.

This was really my point from jump. Song choice was dope. But the performance was, as you said, plain.

If an acoustic musician did it, between either playing an instrument or hopefully using their actual voice, it would have been a different story entirely.

Which is why he almost has to have more going on with his performance to make it memorable.

And at an event like the VMAs, it either needs to be stripped down musicianship, or over the top. This was none of the above.

Part of what made Runaway at the VMAs dope was him playing it live on the sampler.

 

[MajinZuub]

I'd rather have an orchestra like the old Ye than the sampler **** . I never was a fan of live MPC/Sampler performances though, it's too easy to do for a live show. Of course it's easier to arrange for one more-so than the other but it's not like he can't afford to go all out.

 

[nako xl]

see... i assuemd the tree had to do with lynching and so he was projecting a black body on a tree as lynching imagery, but i didn't know the story behind the tree, so i didnt want to post that in here and come off like an fartsy art major reaching.

I too wish he'd projected the meaning of the image on the screen at the end of his performance.  Who knows though, maybe AT the actual VMAs it was shown and mtv just didnt want it on their broadcast?

 

[mr marcus]

How did y'all not know what the tree meant with the song he performed...I know the atrocities of blacks is ignored in this country but damn...this is pretty fresh history

 

[nako xl]

the actual photo though is an art piece which i think most people didnt know.  the song strange fruit cues you to what the tree meant but i think people wish kanye had spelled it out for the masses so there was no confusion.

 

[jetbl1223]

It's obvious both sides are emotional as hell.

Dudes worship Kanye way too much now. Defending that trash album and paying a ransom for his wack shoes but at the same time if I don't mess with somebody I'm not gonna keep posting about him over and over saying the same ****. It's a waste of time to me.

Thank you. I can respect that.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I just sit and crack up when people make it seem like kanye is this masterful tactition
I ain't tryna argue my dude it's just funny how people make excuses for dude ALL THE TIME

I don't get where your getting an excuse from? the fact of the matter is that he DID think about his performance and probably spent ample time trying to perfect it. does that mean everyone has to love it or that it was impeccable no, but NOBODY is going to sit here and act as if this man isn't obsessive over anything he does with his art and everything he does is for a reason.

 

[C.Magneto]

I don't get where your getting an excuse from? the fact of the matter is that he DID think about his performance and probably spent ample time trying to perfect it. does that mean everyone has to love it or that it was impeccable no, but NOBODY is going to sit here and act as if this man isn't obsessive over anything he does with his art and everything he does is for a reason.

QFT. As stated there's def zealots on both sides, but to think the man just went up there with little to no inspiration/passion/vision for what he was trying to convey? Come on...

 

[illphillip]

Execution>"inspiration/passion/vision". Because none of that matters if it isn't executed properly.

The only thing tangible right now is what we saw on stage.

I feel like this thread is as much about "feelings" now as it is about an artist (and his appearances/actions etc.) and his music (recorded or performed live).

 

[senditup]

Execution>"inspiration/passion/vision". Because none of that matters if it isn't executed properly.

The only thing tangible right now is what we saw on stage.

I feel like this thread is as much about "feelings" now as it is about an artist (and his appearances/actions etc.) and his music (recorded or performed live).

Yea, YOUR feelings. I ride with a good majority of your posts but a spade is a spade and you looking like an obsessed hater right now my guy. I ABHOR asap rocky and his whole movement, but do I camp out in the asap thread ready to criticize and critique his every move? Nah, I keep it pushing. Hmmm, lets see. Don't like his new music, don't like his actions, don't like his performances. So why be in here? And then you act appalled when dudes call you a hater, it is what it is.

 

[C.Magneto]

^^agreed with the notion on feelings. Seems like a lot of times Kanyes actions invoke feelings that people let cloud their judgement on his art. That being said, There's def people who let their bias force them to "enjoy" the art as well. At the end of the day it's subjective. Cater to your 5 senses and what you find appropriate. Chances are what you say on a message board isn't going to rewire someone's brain and bring about a different set of standards for the way they develop their opinion.

Personally, I thought the performance was well thought out and executed down to a tee with the vision he wanted to convey. Aka the minimalism, trying to fade in the role of being a father, letting the music/art speak for itself without over the top gimmicks.

So with all that said, the performance was boring. As a big kanye fan, if I would've spent any type of effort to try and see him live and that's what I got, I would've been thoroughly disappointed.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Execution>"inspiration/passion/vision". Because none of that matters if it isn't executed properly.

The only thing tangible right now is what we saw on stage.

I feel like this thread is as much about "feelings" now as it is about an artist (and his appearances/actions etc.) and his music (recorded or performed live).

Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean that HIS vision wasn't executed right. I Myself feel as if it was an average performance compared against some of his others. But based off everything he's done leading up and throughout this Yeezus run i think he perfectly executed what he wanted to get across.

Music first has seem to be what he's been stressing.... So what does Kanye West the Giant egotistical, emotional, Guy who almost lost his career at the VMA's do?

Drops a record with a single still image and blacks himself out of the performance for people to concentrate ONLY on the music. Now me and you don't have to believe that it was a good performance but if the message was to concentrate on the music only and the message behind the song then he executed it very well.

 

[cragmatic]

I don't understand what everyone says was so terrible about the performance. It was very minimal, that's what the entire Yeezus era has been.

Hell, half of his show at Governor's ball was him on the middle of a platform in the middle of the crowd, with no special effects for anyone who was close. Just him, a microphone, an MPC, and the RFK bridge in the background. This isn't the WTT era, where as that tour had all kinds of special effects and pyrotechnics. Both were dope as hell, and both times I saw him in those situations he put on a great performance.

I only would have preferred him to do "New Slaves," and perform it the way he does as a bigger effff you to MTV and the sheep who watch it. It's a joke of a network and an example of everything wrong with today's youth. And all I see in my twitter feed last night is "VMA's"

They gave Mackmlemoore an award, a man who makes music for rich suburban white kids.

 

[nom de guerre]

I thought his VMA performance was cool. Dudes stay upset over Ye though

 

[tawainehel]

 

[lamekilla]

'Ye's performance was cool. It wasn't great, it wasn't awful but it was his vision. We all expected more but whatever, blood on the leaves is a dope song.

And Macklemore is a ****** joke

 

[senditup]

Just checked out the VMA performance as I missed the show last night and I am impress. Ye' knows exactly what he's doing , the performance matched the entire theme/mood of the album.

 

[heliumclinton]

This > his performance

 

[Peep Game]

'Ye's performance was cool. It wasn't great, it wasn't awful but it was his vision. We all expected more but whatever, blood on the leaves is a dope song.

And Macklemore is a ****** joke

Man, people can come up with some excuses

 

[mr marcus]

lmaooooo at the kanye living single 

 

[illphillip]

Personally, I thought the performance was well thought out and executed down to a tee with the vision he wanted to convey. Aka the minimalism, trying to fade in the role of being a father, letting the music/art speak for itself without over the top gimmicks.

So with all that said, the performance was boring. As a big kanye fan, if I would've spent any type of effort to try and see him live and that's what I got, I would've been thoroughly disappointed.

First off, I pretty much agree with you on most points.

But if you're taking a minimalist approach and "trying to fade in the role of being a father, letting the music/art speak for itself without over the top gimmicks", why are you even at the VMAs?

If that's where you are, and we tell you "Lady Gaga is opening, then Miley Cyrus is coming out etc., and Katy Perry is closing" (artists can ask who else is on the bill before they agree to do a show), why even do it? You're on a platform. You're not letting the music just speak for itself. You're there for a reason.

This is the **** that gets me every time. One minute he's raging against the machine. The next, he's a part of it. One minute it's no strategy, I'ma sell more music by making better music, no single.

Then it's OK, Black Skinhead is the single. And I'm doing the VMAs. And I'm on Kris Kardashian's talk show.

He could have done that performance a million different ways to make his statement. The way Jay did his Picasso Baby video for instance. Make it a performance piece from a museum. Stream it online. Own it control it. Don't let MTV use your name to hype their show etc.

And again, my thing is, making 100% clear what the tree is and means makes it's a 10 times better performance for that event. Do the song. End with the caption that Virgil posted. Make that your closer. There you go MTV audience. How you feel?

And I would have walked away with a totally different impression. Or at least AN impression.

I'm not saying he should have done BadBoy era pyro, but when people go from saying "he executed his vision" in one breath to "the performance was boring" in the next.....perhaps he could have done things differently.

 

[nako xl]

He could have done that performance a million different ways to make his statement. The way Jay did his Picasso Baby video for instance. Make it a performance piece from a museum. Stream it online. Own it control it. Don't let MTV use your name to hype their show etc.

And again, my thing is, making 100% clear what the tree is and means makes it's a 10 times better performance for that event. Do the song. End with the caption that Virgil posted. Make that your closer. There you go MTV audience. How you feel?

And I would have walked away with a totally different impression. Or at least AN impression.

i agree but i wanted to clear one thing up, since the jay-z vs ye comparison keeps being made:

jay-z didn't "own" picasso baby... that was HBO's idea.  the only reason he made the video was because someone came to him with the idea and HBO wanted to air a behind the scenes making of doc and the video.

Also the actual idea for the video was jacked from a performance piece Marina Abramovic did.  Most redeeming qualities about "Picasso Baby" were fraudulent.

carry on.

 

[lamekilla]

Man, people can come up with some excuses

Where's the excuse? He wanted to perform as a silhouette. He had his head projected over various parts of the country rapping. This is the type of **** he does