Orlando Magic - SVG Coaching Decisions?

[icencream]

According to Skip Bayless

SVG (Stan Van Genius) as he would call him, killed the chances of the Orlando Magics by inserting Jameer Nelson into this series. The same team that broughtthem into this finals with Rafer and Anthony Johnson at the point guard situation was completely changed when he gave Jameer starter minutes. Anthony Johnsonwas demoted to 3rd string PG and hasnt even played in this series. After Rafer Alson gave them an excellent game 3, he only played 25+ minutes in game 4.




When its not broken dont fix it.

 

[DeadsetAce]

hindsight is always 20-20...this series would be 2-2 if they hit free throws. can't put that on SVG.

 

[infinite04]

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

hindsight is always 20-20...this series would be 2-2 if they hit free throws. can't put that on SVG.

no you can't put that on SVG but not taking the foul at the end of regulation was just plain dumb.....handed LA the title for it

 

[DeadsetAce]

Originally Posted by Infinite04

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

hindsight is always 20-20...this series would be 2-2 if they hit free throws. can't put that on SVG.

no you can't put that on SVG but not taking the foul at the end of regulation was just plain dumb.....handed LA the title for it

that's true. im not arguing with you or anything, but is that something players should just do, or is that a call that comes in from thesideline?

 

[dman14]

Originally Posted by Infinite04

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

hindsight is always 20-20...this series would be 2-2 if they hit free throws. can't put that on SVG.

no you can't put that on SVG but not taking the foul at the end of regulation was just plain dumb.....handed LA the title for it

why was jameer in the game, he has to know a 3 ties it, why back up?
i wouldve put courtney lee in

but they were in position to win it. missed fts and turnovers

 

[M. Fresh]

I thought skip should have finished the game but jameer played well getting to the lane and dishing. they def should have fouled fish. Overall the players hadway too many tunrovers and missed free throws.

 

[yungmatt]

Rafer Alston aint that nice.

Hes played well in what...? 4 or 5 games out of the entire playoffs so far...

Bottom line is free throws killed Orlando last night.. Not point guard play.

 

[e3lal]

Me personally, I wouldn't have played Nelson this much. I don't the lakers are taking full advantage of him either. From what I see, I don'tthink he can knock down open shots nor finish with contact.

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

Originally Posted by Infinite04

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

hindsight is always 20-20...this series would be 2-2 if they hit free throws. can't put that on SVG.

no you can't put that on SVG but not taking the foul at the end of regulation was just plain dumb.....handed LA the title for it

that's true. im not arguing with you or anything, but is that something players should just do, or is that a call that comes in from the sideline?

SVG clearly said he told his players not to foul.

I really do think it is his fault. His excuse was "Nelson wasn't helping us, but he wasn't hurting us either."
That is a BS excuse, Alston pretty much kept the Magic in contention when the Lakers did their run in the 3rd.
Alston was playing well and was getting to the basket. Nelson admitted to not being 100% yet he gets more PT than Alston?

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by The Fresh Sole

I thought skip should have finished the game but jameer played well getting to the lane and dishing. they def should have fouled fish. Overall the players had way too many tunrovers and missed free throws.

I saw 2-3 good plays from Nelson max. He did more harm by stumbling around in the court than letting the healthy PG play.

 

[icencream]

Originally Posted by RFX45

Originally Posted by The Fresh Sole

I thought skip should have finished the game but jameer played well getting to the lane and dishing. they def should have fouled fish. Overall the players had way too many tunrovers and missed free throws.

I saw 2-3 good plays from Nelson max. He did more harm by stumbling around in the court than letting the healthy PG play.

this is what i thought too. Nelson is more of a liability in this series more than Rafer. I notice numerous occasions in which Rafer was able to break down thedefense and either score or shoot that little floater. Alston could provide a "shooter threat" oppose to Nelson who was basically left or dared toshoot

I think AJ was playing okay in the playoffs

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by iceNcream

Originally Posted by RFX45

Originally Posted by The Fresh Sole

I thought skip should have finished the game but jameer played well getting to the lane and dishing. they def should have fouled fish. Overall the players had way too many tunrovers and missed free throws.

I saw 2-3 good plays from Nelson max. He did more harm by stumbling around in the court than letting the healthy PG play.

this is what i thought too. Nelson is more of a liability in this series more than Rafer. I notice numerous occasions in which Rafer was able to break down the defense and either score or shoot that little floater. Alston could provide a "shooter threat" oppose to Nelson who was basically left or dared to shoot

I think AJ was playing okay in the playoffs

AJ could play solid minutes, he played real well when Alston got suspended and they did win against Boston that night iirc.

 

[2wenty thre3]

Real talk, I was excited when Jameer came in for Skip..

Skip was actually playing good. He was hitting his jumpshot and finishing in the lane...

Is it really true that management forced SVG to play Nelson?

 

[dman14]

Originally Posted by RFX45

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

Originally Posted by Infinite04

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce

hindsight is always 20-20...this series would be 2-2 if they hit free throws. can't put that on SVG.

no you can't put that on SVG but not taking the foul at the end of regulation was just plain dumb.....handed LA the title for it

that's true. im not arguing with you or anything, but is that something players should just do, or is that a call that comes in from the sideline?

SVG clearly said he told his players not to foul.

I really do think it is his fault. His excuse was "Nelson wasn't helping us, but he wasn't hurting us either."
That is a BS excuse, Alston pretty much kept the Magic in contention when the Lakers did their run in the 3rd.
Alston was playing well and was getting to the basket. Nelson admitted to not being 100% yet he gets more PT than Alston?

its one thing to take alston out if he is struggling and not knocking down shot. but dude was having a decent game.
anyone think svg is taking the bullet for them not fouling, but he really wanted them to foul?
how many times is hedo not gonna close out on the 3pt shooter?
didnt see the replay, but on mikael last shot in regulation, was rashard wide open for the corner 3?

 

[raptors29]

We're the Magic, not the Magics

 

[rfx45]

^^^ I thought the Magic GM guaranteed that Nelson won't play unless 100%.
I think it is entirely SVG's decision. I just don't think Nelson returned at all, no need to be the hero or saviour at this point of the season.
He should just back off himself and tell SVG he won't play anymore in this series, although it might be too late for that.

 

[foshizzle]

Jameer made 2 nice passes and all the sudden he plays starters minutes....SVG is screwing up on this one.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

You can blame him for certain decisions, but the bottom line is that his coaching was apparently good enough to put the Magic in a spot where they could wingame 2 on a layup and game 4 on a free-throw.

It's not really his fault that Courtney Lee can't hit a layup and Dwight Howard can't hit a free-throw. You can't blame a coach of a pro teamfor his pro players not being able to execute something that high school players should be able to do. There's something wrong with the player material athis disposal then.

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by raptors29

We're the Magic, not the Magics

Seriously, I CANNOT STAND when people add an "s" on the end. @#!%$%! ri-tards.

 

[the minister]

Originally Posted by iceNcream

According to Skip Bayless

SVG (Stan Van Genius) as he would call him, killed the chances of the Orlando Magics by inserting Jameer Nelson into this series. The same team that brought them into this finals with Rafer and Anthony Johnson at the point guard situation was completely changed when he gave Jameer starter minutes. Anthony Johnson was demoted to 3rd string PG and hasnt even played in this series. After Rafer Alson gave them an excellent game 3, he only played 25+ minutes in game 4.




When its not broken dont fix it.

 

[icencream]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

You can blame him for certain decisions, but the bottom line is that his coaching was apparently good enough to put the Magic in a spot where they could win game 2 on a layup and game 4 on a free-throw.

It's not really his fault that Courtney Lee can't hit a layup and Dwight Howard can't hit a free-throw. You can't blame a coach of a pro team for his pro players not being able to execute something that high school players should be able to do. There's something wrong with the player material at his disposal then.

thats true. But sometimes coaches can make decisions in which can affect the game differently in way Courtney or Dwight wont have to be in that predicament.For example. Phil Jackson played Fish most of the 4th quarter and OT.

The coach has to the best 5 players out there that will make the plays in order to succeed. You blame the coach when a solid player like Rafer alston who washaving a decent game was on the bench.

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

You can blame him for certain decisions, but the bottom line is that his coaching was apparently good enough to put the Magic in a spot where they could win game 2 on a layup and game 4 on a free-throw.

It's not really his fault that Courtney Lee can't hit a layup and Dwight Howard can't hit a free-throw. You can't blame a coach of a pro team for his pro players not being able to execute something that high school players should be able to do. There's something wrong with the player material at his disposal then.

But maybe, just maybe, keeping Alston in the game would have won them that game. Nelson barely played in game 2 and it was close.
Nelson played 24 minutes in Game 1 and they lost.
Nelson barely played in Game 3 and Alston played well and they won.
Nelson played more minutes than Alston in Game 4 and they lost.
Again, we are never sure but those are facts and maybe, just maybe that 1-2 point swing Alston might have provided compared to Nelson would have given Orlandothe win in Game 4.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by iceNcream

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

You can blame him for certain decisions, but the bottom line is that his coaching was apparently good enough to put the Magic in a spot where they could win
game 2 on a layup and game 4 on a free-throw.




It's not really his fault that Courtney Lee can't hit a layup and Dwight Howard can't hit a free-throw. You can't blame a coach of a pro team
for his pro players not being able to execute something that high school players should be able to do. There's something wrong with the player material at
his disposal then.

thats true. But sometimes coaches can make decisions in which can affect the game differently in way Courtney or Dwight wont have to be in that predicament. For example. Phil Jackson played Fish most of the 4th quarter and OT.

The coach has to the best 5 players out there that will make the plays in order to succeed. You blame the coach when a solid player like Rafer alston who was having a decent game was on the bench.

Rafer may have been on the bench when he should've been on the court, but despite Rafer's absence, the fact is that the Magic were up by 3 with 11seconds left and had two free-throws, one of whom could've practically sealed the game. That's a pretty good situation to be in. His decision not tofoul Fisher (as mentioned, hindsight is 20/20) may have been wrong, but if Howard did what any basketball player at any level should be able to do and what SVGflat out couldn't have influenced with any amount of good coaching, the Magic would've won the game.

 

[japanair21]

I'm sorry but Dwight Howard should not be in games late. He is too much of a liability now.

It's proven that he folds under pressure, and is capable of missing NUMEROUS free throws in a row.

Sub him out on offense, throw in Gortat, then throw him back out there on defense.

 

[slickrick916]

I'd be more mad at jameer..... I mean up 3 will 11 ticks to go or whatever and the other team has the ball, how do you give up a 3? I'm not one to foulin that situation but freaking get up on your man and make him drive and take a 2pt shot! No 3's!!!!!!! and he gave him hella room to take it. ugh