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lol @ comparing the 2004 pistons to the 2007 pistonsOriginally Posted by Swagger2Much4You
Originally Posted by OnionSlice
Saying a player needs rings to be in the discussion just makes you look dumb. If somebody asked you if Chris Paul is a better point guard than Derek Fisher, would you say Chris Paul is not even in the discussion? If Chris Bosh gets a ring this year, is he automatically better than Karl Malone? Is Karl Malone not even in the discussion?Originally Posted by cguy610
Bottom line, Lebron has a ways to go before he can be in the discussion with Kobe, let alone MJ.
Championships do matter, the game is 5 on 5. If you are a great player you win, period, no ifs ands or buts about it. To paraphrase what was said on PTI this week, "It's not football with 22 players out there, it is a team of 5."
LeBron has already easily surpassed Kobe. He's nowhere near MJ, but Kobe is the one who is not even in the discussion. Kobe is a lesser player who has been a part of great teams. Both Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic have 2 rings. Is LeBron "out of the discussion" with them?
Don't kid yourself, LeBron IS going to get the rings, but that's not what makes him a great player. That is a result of being a member of a great team.
QFT Kobe couldn't even beat my suns in the first round a handful of years back why you ask? Because he had nobody around him!! You cannot argue the fact that there is a direct correlation between Gasol's arrival and the rejuvenation of the Lakers in the playoffs.
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[table][tr][th=""]No.[/th] [th=""]Player[/th] [th=""]Pos[/th] [th=""]Ht[/th] [th=""]Wt[/th] [th=""]Birth Date[/th] [th=""]Exp[/th] [th=""]College[/th][/tr][tr][td]6[/td] [td]Shannon Brown[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]6-4[/td] [td]205[/td] [td]November 29, 1985[/td] [td]R[/td] [td]Michigan State University[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td] [td]Daniel Gibson[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]6-2[/td] [td]190[/td] [td]February 27, 1986[/td] [td]R[/td] [td]University of Texas at Austin[/td][/tr][tr][td]90[/td] [td]Drew Gooden[/td] [td]F[/td] [td]6-10[/td] [td]230[/td] [td]September 24, 1981[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]University of Kansas[/td][/tr][tr][td]32[/td] [td]Larry Hughes[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]6-5[/td] [td]184[/td] [td]January 23, 1979[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]Saint Louis University[/td][/tr][tr][td]11[/td] [td]Zydrunas Ilgauskas[/td] [td]C[/td] [td]7-3[/td] [td]238[/td] [td]June 5, 1975[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]
[/td][/tr][tr][td]23[/td] [td]LeBron James[/td] [td]F[/td] [td]6-8[/td] [td]240[/td] [td]December 30, 1984[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]
[/td][/tr][tr][td]19[/td] [td]Damon Jones[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]6-3[/td] [td]185[/td] [td]August 25, 1976[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]University of Houston[/td][/tr][tr][td]27[/td] [td]Dwayne Jones[/td] [td]F-C[/td] [td]6-11[/td] [td]250[/td] [td]June 9, 1983[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]Saint Joseph's University[/td][/tr][tr][td]24[/td] [td]Donyell Marshall[/td] [td]F[/td] [td]6-9[/td] [td]218[/td] [td]May 18, 1973[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]University of Connecticut[/td][/tr][tr][td]14[/td] [td]Ira Newble[/td] [td]F[/td] [td]6-7[/td] [td]220[/td] [td]January 20, 1975[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]Miami University[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td] [td]Sasha Pavlovic[/td] [td]G-F[/td] [td]6-8[/td] [td]220[/td] [td]November 15, 1983[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]
[/td][/tr][tr][td]31[/td] [td]Scot Pollard[/td] [td]C[/td] [td]6-11[/td] [td]265[/td] [td]February 12, 1975[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]University of Kansas[/td][/tr][tr][td]20[/td] [td]Eric Snow[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]6-3[/td] [td]190[/td] [td]April 24, 1973[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]Michigan State University[/td][/tr][tr][td]17[/td] [td]Anderson Varejao[/td] [td]F-C[/td] [td]6-10[/td] [td]230[/td] [td]September 28, 1982[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]
[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td] [td]David Wesley[/td][/tr][/table]
I mean let's be real you put kobe on this roster in 07 to replace bron and can you really say they get to the finals? Kobe couldn't even beat the pistons with shaq (in the finals)let along single handedly!
this video contains a statistical breakdown of how Lebron is superior all-around yall buying too much stock on that clutch gene talk men lie women lie numbers don't
shannon brown would have been the starting pg for the 2006 lakers and he didnt even get playing time on the cavs
what a clown