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Moar facts.
Plain clothes Ny cop runs up on black dude, gets shot and dies
Moar facts.
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#ntextremes
not one person is justifying the death of someone
Not one. Not a single person
not one person is justifying the death of someone
Not one. Not a single person
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Some of y'all are really saying that WORDS, "talking reckless" and "driving up to him" are a reason to start shooting?
Wow.
Wow.
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Avvy to post ratio off the charts
On topic, the cop didn't deserve to die.
To go "this is what happens sometimes" is equally as disgusting as the typical defense of a cop who shot a black person.
Murder is murder
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Haha… I am farther than FARRRRR from a cop.
It was just a great Simpson episode.
I just don't get people on either side lumping bad apples together when both of them scream about being stereotyped.
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Words do matter.
come up to someone with a gun talking crazy. They state they'll shoot you yet people still don't stop and get shot, that's on them. Respect people's boundaries. You don't try and fight people with guns.
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You're making assumptions about the cop involved in this incident based on your own personal opinion of undercover cops in general. They approached the guy because they suspected him of having a gun, which he obviously did. Considering they never even got out of the car, it's not like they just picked the guy out of nowhere and decided to stop and frisk him. If you've lived in NYC, you know what an unmarked police car looks like. You honestly think this guy saw 2 white guys in an unmarked police car and thought he was getting ran up on by anyone other than the police?
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I agree. Lock up the shooter, throw away the key. No dambs given from me here
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Im confused who died? And why?
I thought a random black dude got shot by a cop
I thought a random black dude got shot by a cop
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Plain clothes cop harassed a dude with a gun and got shot and died later.
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Undercover approaches armed felon. Felon shoots undercover in the head. Undercover dies
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In this case, that's what happened.
Nobody is justifying the incident but again these undercovers oft act like thugs and gangsters.
If they didn't even end up being cops you wouldn't even care.
Folks can kill each other left & right and nobody bats an eye.
In the end the NYPD has a history of artificially perpetuating crime rather than actually stopping crime organically.
Lofty arrest stats mean not a damn thing.
It's time for change in policies and practices.
At days end Im not going to sit here and cry over one dead cop when many innocent civilians have died at the hands of this police department.
In the end BS practices get BS results and violence begets violence. They suspected dude had a gun, at that point what is there to talk about or exchange words over? At that point the charade should have been over and they should have identified themselved as police.
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Nobody was talking. The cops pulled up behind him and Moore shot them in their cars
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Not all unmarked cars are impalas or other generic police vehicles.
I've seen dudes hop out minivans.
Again what I AM saying is if they suspected dude had a gun at that point what was there to have a discussion about?
What was the discourse about?
The weather?
Drop the charade and do your jobs.
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Wow, generalize much? Since you seemed to have been there and are certain the cop who got shot and died talked reckless, what else happened?
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Did I say that they indeed spoke recklessly?
I'm speculating.
But based on the information we have they engaged in a conversation with the shooter after already having noticed a firearm in his waistband.
At that point what good could come out of talking to the guy?
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Where are you getting this supposed conversation from?
All I've read is that
1 They saw him adjusting his waistband
2 They pulled up behind him and told him to stop
3 They were shot at
They didn't even exit their vehicles
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Incorrect.
Reread the article.
They pulled up on him and I quote "exchanged words".
Then the shooting occurred.
Again I ask, what needed to be said except "let me see your hands" with guns drawn?
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Reread article dude.
They "exchanged words" where does it say they ordered him to "stop"?
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Suspect was told to stop after they saw him adjust himself suspiciously. Cops were then shot in their car
http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-cop-brian-moore-dies-saturday-shooting-queens/story?id=30792888
Whatever happened, I don't really care. They're gonna throw the book at the dude anyway, and this isn't exactly Walter Scott we're talking about here
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it's not brutality/illegal to tell a person to stop.
it's not brutality/illegal to drive towards a potential suspect.
this case isn't an example of police wrongdoing
EDIT: the title of this thread is damb near race baiting.... fontaine you are better than that. This is the type of stuff that whitesupremacists point to when we have an actual situation where there is police misconduct,
it's not brutality/illegal to drive towards a potential suspect.
this case isn't an example of police wrongdoing
EDIT: the title of this thread is damb near race baiting.... fontaine you are better than that. This is the type of stuff that whitesupremacists point to when we have an actual situation where there is police misconduct,
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So now we have two conflicting reports.
One saying words were exchanged, another reporting the cops ordering the shooter to stop (which is odd in itself, what cop sits in his car asking an individual suspected to have a firearm on his person to "stop" instead of getting out guns drawn ordering to see hands?).
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1. if the police said stop to him... that is an exchange of words (probably didnt just say "stop" but a sentence telling him to stand still, or come over)
2. The cops didn't have visibility of the gun... they probably didnt wanna run with guns out and it ended up being just a random guy adjusting his belt or something.
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If they had only ordered him to stop and he had said nothing else, no reply, no "exchange" then no that is not an exchange of words.
That would be an order.
Not an exchange.
Secondly, if that's the case then why approach an individual for simply adjusting his waistband?
Sometimes a dude's shorts are slightly askew. Sometimes I gotta adjust my junk.
That wouldn't and shouldn't be enough to inspire reasonable suspicion in the mind of an officer.
They had a strong suspicion that the individual had a gun and they were correct. If the suspicion was that great you need to be more assertive as a cop.
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