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It's not projected. He is constantly called a top 3 QB and alot of people had him projected to be MVP with season.
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Like I said I respect the hell out of Luck but the team around him just isn't good.
Poor player decisions and now for his coach to come out and publicly say that ****?
He's lucky he has a job cause of him.
No pun.
Ok? Maybe that's because people felt he would have a big season, and carry the Colts, hence MVP worthy?
Why is that a negative, or unworthy? Is that not his trajectory at some point, given his status, his position, and the history of the award?
Except when you are in the NFCCG and you can throw 4 INT's and have a fumble on a kickoff, and still win.........by less than a TD.
On fewer throws than Luck usually throws in a game.
And with a better RB.
Against the league MVP.
But hey.
In other words, woe is Andrew Luck.
This man's own head ******* coach said enough is enough. But yet here we are, continuing to make excuses for a 4th year quarterback who still continues to make mistakes.
Nobody said he's not great. We all can pretty much agree on that fact.
We all can also agree on the fact that the talent around him isn't the greatest.
All people are saying is that if he has a ****** team, he's not helping by fumbling the ball and throwing picks at a once per game rate. Which is problematic for a quarterback.
Point to all the advanced stats you want, speaking about the Steelers, there hasn't been a point in Ben's career where I'm like "wow, this guy turns the ball over too much." So you can miss me with that "those guys turn the ball over too!" *******t.
Coach said it after a 4 TO game, in other words, a one game reaction. Hot take if you will.
Pagano doesn't say anything when Luck goes for 400+ with 4 TD's and one INT, but he has to say it when there are multiple TO's. And Luck took it on himself as well.
They are still turnovers though, if a running back ran 50 yards and was stripped at the plus 30 yard line vs fumbling on his own 15 yard line. You aren't going to say one is a better turnover, they both suck.
I've seen quarterbacks win Super Bowls in which they go 9/21 for 123 yards and 2 picks and not have to throw touchdowns until their team is already up by 29 points.
I've seen Tony Romo throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs, but still get the blame for a loss because of a lone turnover.
There's a lot more that goes into football than QB play but eh, it is what it is.
Favre w/ that 3.3%.
Matt Stafford's career int% is lower than Troy Aikman and Dan Marino so don't trot all time greats out to prop up Luck's.
Also I think it BS to compare career int% to guys that have started twice the number of games.
And finally look at Luck's percentage when he has a higher YPA and attempts her game.
The one year Andrew Luck threw more passes than Matt Stafford his int% was higher.
Andrew Luck's 2013 statisically was Alex Smith in every way. Which helped his int%.
When Andrew Luck has thrown a high volume and deep his int% has risen.
Personally, the eye test tells me Andrew has trouble against good competition. I'd be interested to see what his record is against teams that finish above .500
Maybe it's good, idk. I do know the Pats take his soul every single time to the tune of about 50 to 10
The issue with NT will always be context.
It's always black and white here. Never grey.
Because it doesn't need to be said, at all.
1 INT per game, with over 600 attempts is NOT a cause for concern, at all. At. All.
He is in the top tier of fewest INT's per pass, ever. Period.
His rookie year he threw 18 picks, his career high. Peyton, Favre, Marino, Elway, Ben, Eli etc all had seasons with more than that.
It's not an issue.
40-16 TD/INT ratio in his THIRD season, better than any QB except Marino in their first 2-3 years in the league.
After 50 starts, he's thrown fewer than all those players I listed earlier.
You keep trying to compare rates with guys that averaged 20-25-28 passes per game, Luck is currently second all time at 38 attempts per game, yet his INT% is still lower than 95% of the QB's in the history of the sport.
These are the facts.
Because it doesn't need to be said, at all.
1 INT per game, with over 600 attempts is NOT a cause for concern, at all. At. All.
He is in the top tier of fewest INT's per pass, ever. Period.
His rookie year he threw 18 picks, his career high. Peyton, Favre, Marino, Elway, Ben, Eli etc all had seasons with more than that.
It's not an issue.
40-16 TD/INT ratio in his THIRD season, better than any QB except Marino in their first 2-3 years in the league.
After 50 starts, he's thrown fewer than all those players I listed earlier.
You keep trying to compare rates with guys that averaged 20-25-28 passes per game, Luck is currently second all time at 38 attempts per game, yet his INT% is still lower than 95% of the QB's in the history of the sport.
These are the facts.
Russell Wilson, "only 3rd QB ever to throw 50 TD's his first two years"...Stop saying that like it means something. It doesn't....Throwing TD's in 2012 and 2013 is NOT like throwing TD's in 1987 or 88. Or 93 or 94. Or 99 and 2000....STOP USING THAT LAME *** BAROMETER. Please.....You have a kid that gets the team on day 1, and gets to throw in an era where receivers have free run of the field. Every other QB for the past 75 years hasn't had that. QB's the last 5, do.....Stop using that stat like it's meaningful"
They are still turnovers though, if a running back ran 50 yards and was stripped at the plus 30 yard line vs fumbling on his own 15 yard line. You aren't going to say one is a better turnover, they both suck.
There's something to this. I think a lot of people might agree, but the transparency of your stance (or so it comes off as an antagonist-type maybe?) makes it hard to truly make this objective among the crowd. Again, not trying to point at you directly mister friendly because I'm just sifting through the last few pages, and I know you're no stranger trying to hold your own, because we've all been there...
Turnovers are the bane of any coach, player and team as a whole...Singularly, the weight of a turnover is paramount. From afar, and with viewpoint, we are allowed to analyze -- as coaches might do with film study per se -- but as fans, it's allowed even more room for interpretation. That's just the nature. I know the feeling...The pressing feeling. Much much smaller scale than the NFL, but when the team around you isn't getting it done and you can sense they wont at that particular time -- you press. You force. Look at Romo...Dude got flak for years, but no one took to the time to realize how ****** that team was. Sure, they had Owens, but they had nothing else. Nothing. He couldn't take a step back without getting smothered. He created and led a team that otherwise should have been, at best, 4-12, to 7-9 or 8-8...Yet, it was always hating on Romo. Fast forward and he gets a strong offensive line, he doesn't press nearly to the degree he used to and he's uber-efficient and gets his team within a bogus call of being in the NFCCG. Luck has no one...Maybe a T.Y. to Romo's T.O., but what does that really accomplish in the ultimate team game? It doesn't...You take last years AFCCG team and give it to any quarterback that you consider above average -- below that elite tier -- and without the benefit of a past not told or seen, and as a betting man, I'm laying big dollars down that that team comes nowhere close to being one game away form the Super Bowl.
That's context, right?
Calvin did work with Drew Stanton/Dan Orlovsky combo at QB. 1300+ yards and like 14 TDs?I'll be damned, I was wrong, Stafford did have that one season. 41-16, 5K. I guess I can pretend that didn't happen because Calvin hit his absolute prime and went insane that year.
Or that he followed up the next year with a 20-17 ratio, on 727 (!!!!!!!!!!!) Attempts.
So I was incorrect, Marino, Stafford, and then Luck in terms of 40-16 ratio within 2-3 years.