Originally Posted by
tkthafm
Of course there may have been people who claimed to have visions (we already know the simple message confirmed by all legitimate prophets: submitting to one God) but again, the Qur'an makes clear the original authentic message, free from the manipulation/editing found in the Old Testament.
I don't see how one biblical quote (which I do not recognize as having any real value) is supposed to demonstrate any sort of irony in a discussion about Islam. The point of the exact message being preserved letter by letter from the moment it left the Prophets lips until this day still stands. This is not found in juedochrisitian tradition and is unique to Islam. I notice a lot who try to attack Islam do so through pointing out errors in Christianity...
If a man came out and said that he was Jesus returning, how could you discredit him or validate him then?
How do you know the Quran is the original message when everyone knows there are more than one version of the book AND there is clear evidence that most of it wasn't even written at the same time. Also much of it was written by more than one person.
Muhammed got his "messages" from "god" while he was "alone" in a "cave"
And yet this "message from god" is authentic?
How can you reasonably take this to be authentic?
And also, pointing out errors in christianity is common because a majority of this board and most posters are from predominately christian countries. It doesn't mean islam is more valid though.
If god is so omniscient, how come he didn't send the correct message down the FIRST TWO TIMES with judaism and christianity?
Additionally, if the book and the related hadiths (also apparently from the "prophet") is the word of allah, then how come you don't follow it to a T.
Should infidels be killed?
Should women who have pre-martial sex be stoned to death?
Should apostates be murdered?
Why can't we draw pictures of muhammad?
If you think any of this is wrong then CONGRATULATIONS! You have the capability to THINK FOR YOURSELF and you don't need a book to tell you what is inherently right from wrong.
Originally Posted by tkthafm
All such prophets preached the same message (Submitting to one God).
Obviously the message changing (innovations being introduced to a message) as it is passed down over hundreds of years is a possibility. However, the Qur'an was memorized immediately while the Prophet was reciting it, and until this day, there are tens of thousands of Muslims across the globe who have memorized the Qur'an cover to cover letter by letter.
This isn't a children's game of "telephone" we are talking about. As for the woman point, sure, the Prophet chosen was male, but there have been many women who have contributed significantly to our understanding. just as one example, the most eminent Islamic scholars of the time would often seek out Aisha (wife of the Prophet) to help them understand things/solve issues they couldn't figure out.
Wrong.
Your god comes from the christian tradition (its funny how islam steals a bunch of stuff from christianity and comes along 600 years afterwards) which says Yahweh is one of MANY gods but people should just follow yahweh because its the warrior god and therefore the "better" one. Judaism started out as a polytheistic religion until they adopted yahweh as the predominate "god"
Its funny how silly your premises are...
The prophet IMMEDIATELY memorized all of what "god" had to say...you believe that? With NO errors in translation?
And FYI, the reason much of them have memorized it word for word is because some schools BEAT children if they even mispronounce a word. The other day a kid was kicked out of school in Pakistan for doing just such a thing.
And yes, this is a childrens game of telephone.
If I read to you a passage about infidels being murdered and you want to scream out "hey you have to read it in context" then VOILA! We have an incident that is NOT relevant to modern times and thus should not be interpreted as such.
Originally Posted by Wr
Or the only debate from the standpoint of what modern day christianity is which we all should know by now is nothing like what it came from. Remember when Jesus died on the cross, the Roman soldiers gambled for his garments. Just think about who is wearing the "king's clothes" so to speak....Who is cloaking their true intentions under the guise and out ritual appearance of christianity? Those people raping little boys at church are doing the same thing they were doing when they were claiming "greek" and "roman" culture. Still raping little boys. They act the same to themselves, and project an outwardly appearance of being spiritual and holy via their garb, architecture, speech etc....
I guess you haven't been watching the GOP presidential race then...
