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What You Need to Know About The Roth IRA Movement
Mar 27, 2012 / By Matthew Amster-Burton / Comments0
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Today, March 27, 2012, you’ll witness the rare spectacle of over a hundred finance writers speaking in one voice: we all want you to open a Roth IRA. (If you already have a Roth IRA, go kick $100 into it and spend the rest of the day reading blogs or whatever.)

Why are we all writing about Roth IRAs today? The Roth IRA Movement is the brainchild of Jeff Rose, a certified financial planner and blogger at GoodFinancialCents.com. Rose recently gave a speech to a class at his alma mater, and he asked the 50 students if they knew what a Roth IRA was. Not how many had a Roth IRA, just knew what it was. Nobody raised a hand. (Probably there was one young person who did know but looked around and didn’t want to be branded as the nerd who knows what a Roth IRA is.)

Rose found this infuriating, but wondered whether it really mattered. After all, there is a lot of annoying grownup stuff that college students deserve to be blissfully ignorant about. Finally, however, he decided it did matter:

“The final conclusion was ‘Yes!’, it is a big deal,” he writes. “More young adults need to know what the Roth IRA is and how it can have a tremendous impact on their life.”

So here goes. For the record, when I was in college, I had no idea what a Roth IRA was; all of my “investments” were made in the guitar and pro audio departments at Styles Music, Claremont, California.

The Roth IRA is simple
Why are finance types always going on about Roth IRAs, anyway?

The Roth IRA, despite its impenetrable name, is the simplest retirement savings account in America. To recap how it works: you contribute after-tax money to the RothIRA, up to $5000 a year, and the money grows tax-free and can be withdrawn tax-free in retirement. When I say “after-tax” money, I just mean you don’t get an immediate tax break for contributing to the Roth IRA; you get it later, in retirement.

At this point, the conversation usually devolves into endless hand-wringing about the tax advantages and disadvantages of Roth IRAs versus the other kind, traditional IRAs. I am not going to say a single word on the matter, because look at what else Roth IRAs can do:

- When you contribute to a Roth IRA, it doesn’t affect your tax return. You don’t even need to tell the IRS about your Roth contributions, just like you don’t have to tell them how much money you put in your savings account. (You don’t have to tell them about any interest you make in your Roth IRA, either.)

- You can withdraw your contributions from a Roth IRA any time, with no tax or penalty. In other words, say I open a Roth IRA and put $100 in it. I look at it in a few months and it’s grown to $105. I can withdraw my original $100, but not the $5, without penalty. This means that for a young saver, a Roth IRA can double as an emergency fund. (Your brokerage will keep track of how much of your RothIRA is contributions and how much is earnings.)

- Roth IRAs play well with other types of retirement accounts like 401(k)s. Most workers can, and should, contribute to both, because it provides tax flexibility in retirement. (If you like, you can read “tax flexibility” as “the potential to give the IRS the finger, legally.”)

- If you’re reading this before April 17, you can contribute to last year’s Roth IRAtoday. You could open a Roth IRA this week, contribute $5000 for 2011, and contribute another $5000 for 2012. It will also give you younger-looking skin.

Nobody has ever said, “I wish I hadn’t opened that Roth IRA.” Seriously, I Googled it.

What to do
If you had told me this in college, I would have said, “Sounds great! I have band practice, so I will do it later. Or, like, never.” Well, I’m holding you by the shirt collar, so stick around one more minute.

Opening a Roth IRA invites procrastination. There’s no burning reason to do it today, and it sounds complicated. So I found some easy ways to get it done right now, online, even if you only have five bucks to contribute.

What you’ll need:

- Your checkbook, or at least the routing number and account number of your checking account.

- Your social security number.

Three places to open a Roth IRA today:

If you have less than $1000 and can’t contribute $100/month: Ally Bank. You can open a Roth IRA savings account or CD at Ally with no minimum balance and no fees. This is a savings account, not an investment account, but if you’re just getting started, your savings rate is much more important than what you invest in. You can figure out investing a little later. I’ll help.

If you have less than $1000 but could contribute $100/month: Betterment. The simplest investment account I know. No minimum opening balance, but you have to set up an automatic contribution of at least $100/month. Modest annual fee (0.35%).

If you have $1000 or more: Vanguard. Of the big mutual fund companies, Vanguard offers the cheapest target-date retirement funds. The minimum investment is $1000. These funds hold a similar portfolio to what you’d get at Betterment, but at a lower cost.

(Disclaimer: I, Matthew, receive nothing for recommending these institutions, but they’re all Mint.com partners.)

There, that’s it. Oh, one more thing. I’ve just been kidnapped, and my captors say they’re going to make me watch Jersey Shore DVDs 24-7 until you open a Roth IRA. Please, do it before I start saying things like, “That Snooki is just misunderstood.”

Matthew Amster-Burton is a personal finance columnist at Mint.com. Find him on Twitter @Mint_Mamster.
 
Thanks for sharing.  Personal finance is something not specifically taught while growing up.  Yet as you grow into a  young adult, you accumulate thousands in debt.

Anyone have more input about Roth IRA accounts?
 
Obviously this thread isn't going to compete with the "Kim and Kanye finally dating" thread, but everyone should take a look into the Roth IRA.

Like the article says, there is no reason NOT to open one. It's one of the best moves a young adult can make in their lives.
 
This was one of the first things my parents taught me when I got a paycheck. No brainer to fully fund the Roth IRA when you are eligible.
 
- You can withdraw your contributions from a Roth IRA any time, with no tax or penalty. In other words, say I open a Roth IRA and put $100 in it. I look at it in a few months and it’s grown to $105. I can withdraw my original $100, but not the $5, without penalty. This means that for a young saver, a Roth IRA can double as an emergency fund. (Your brokerage will keep track of how much of your RothIRA is contributions and how much is earnings.)
Would any Financial Planners mind commenting on this. I've never heard of this before. Perhaps it has only been 401K's & IRA's that people have referred to with the 10% penalty + your tax rate.
 
In regards to retirement plans, It's all about effective tax management, then low fees, and finally actual returns. And don't overestimate your ability to actively manage your allocation.

Given these concerns, Roth IRA is a no-brainer.
 
I always thought the initial contribution for a Vanguard Roth was $3000. Looks like I need to do some more research.
 
Weird, I just had someone I recently met, this past Wednesday, tell me about the benefits of opening a Roth account... :lol

I'll definitely be doing so the minute I establish a steady stream of income. Great post, btw, OP.


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Thanks for sharing.  Personal finance is something not specifically taught while growing up.  Yet as you grow into a  young adult, you accumulate thousands in debt.

Anyone have more input about Roth IRA accounts?
Gotta have money in the first place. 
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Roth IRA is a good acct to have unfortunately make too much money to qualify for one.
 
i may be misremembering the exact numbers b/c it varies based on the year but if in 2011 youare single and made over 122K or married and made over like 179k you do not qualify for contributing to a ROTH IRA.
 
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i may be misremembering the exact numbers b/c it varies based on the year but if in 2011 youare single and made over 122K or married and made over like 179k you do not qualify for contributing to a ROTH IRA.
True. The Roth is a middle class retirement vehicle. A 401K, & IRA are vehicles that anyone can utilize to ensure a stable retirement.
 
i may be misremembering the exact numbers b/c it varies based on the year but if in 2011 youare single and made over 122K or married and made over like 179k you do not qualify for contributing to a ROTH IRA.
True. The Roth is a middle class retirement vehicle. A 401K, & IRA are vehicles that anyone can utilize to ensure a stable retirement.
I guess the goal is to not need a Roth IRA then...the hustle continues. 
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Already have a 403b through my job. Should I also open up a Roth IRA and put money into that as well?
 
Already have a 403b through my job. Should I also open up a Roth IRA and put money into that as well?
Look into a Roth 403b instead. It acts virtually the same as a Roth IRA. If you're already maxing it out, then you can open one of each.
 
Would any Financial Planners mind commenting on this. I've never heard of this before. Perhaps it has only been 401K's & IRA's that people have referred to with the 10% penalty + your tax rate.

Your example is accurate. You WILL be issued a 1099-R by the company maintaining the IRA, but the codes in box 7 of the 1099-R will help determine the taxation. My understanding is that it could come down to showing dates and amounts of contributions in order to substantiate that your withdrawal amount on the 1099-R was actually only made up of your contributions (which have already been taxed as income when you earned them), and NOT the 'gain' on the principal (which hasn't been taxed).

Yes, there are income limits/restrictions on who qualifies to contribute to a ROTH IRA. Do you have a more specific question or want any additional info from me?
 
Would any Financial Planners mind commenting on this. I've never heard of this before. Perhaps it has only been 401K's & IRA's that people have referred to with the 10% penalty + your tax rate.

Your example is accurate. You WILL be issued a 1099-R by the company maintaining the IRA, but the codes in box 7 of the 1099-R will help determine the taxation. My understanding is that it could come down to showing dates and amounts of contributions in order to substantiate that your withdrawal amount on the 1099-R was actually only made up of your contributions (which have already been taxed as income when you earned them), and NOT the 'gain' on the principal (which hasn't been taxed).

Yes, there are income limits/restrictions on who qualifies to contribute to a ROTH IRA. Do you have a more specific question or want any additional info from me?

Let's say you're pulling $500k a year, where would you put your savings into? Is there anything comparable to a Roth when you're in that tax bracket? Private equity aside.
 
Would any Financial Planners mind commenting on this. I've never heard of this before. Perhaps it has only been 401K's & IRA's that people have referred to with the 10% penalty + your tax rate.
Your example is accurate. You WILL be issued a 1099-R by the company maintaining the IRA, but the codes in box 7 of the 1099-R will help determine the taxation. My understanding is that it could come down to showing dates and amounts of contributions in order to substantiate that your withdrawal amount on the 1099-R was actually only made up of your contributions (which have already been taxed as income when you earned them), and NOT the 'gain' on the principal (which hasn't been taxed).

Yes, there are income limits/restrictions on who qualifies to contribute to a ROTH IRA. Do you have a more specific question or want any additional info from me?
Interesting. I always assumed that since it was in a retirement account, the total amount in there was locked in until you were 59 1/2. Either way though, it's not a good idea to unplug those funds since they'll be compounding over their lifetime to produce higher capital gains in the end.
 
It's just the way the code was written, really.

You get zero tax benefits for contributing to the ROTH IRA account, contributions are made with "after-tax" dollars...
Because you've already paid taxes on your contributions, if you withdraw up to the amount of your contribution, you will have already paid taxes on that money.
So to avoid double taxation, (paying taxes on the the same income twice) your withdrawals from ROTH IRA accounts are not taxable under the age of 59 1/2 as long as the amount withdrawn is equal to or lesser than the amount contributed (over the 'lifetime' of the account). But the second you take one penny out that you did not originally put in, then that is "new" income and if you are under 59 1/2 then the profits will have yet to be taxed.

Yes, it is an amazing account, and yes, if you qualify, it is a great idea to have one. The code is written to encourage personal savings for individuals that work to earn their income so that they will be able to 'supplement' their income in retirement. (but we already had our discussion about social security in that other thread... i'll just say that it was interesting timing that ROTH IRA's were written into the code how/when they were.)

And if you have $500,000.00 liquid and don't know what to do with it... you probably should not be asking on this board.
 
It's just the way the code was written, really.

You get zero tax benefits for contributing to the ROTH IRA account, contributions are made with "after-tax" dollars...
Because you've already paid taxes on your contributions, if you withdraw up to the amount of your contribution, you will have already paid taxes on that money.
So to avoid double taxation, (paying taxes on the the same income twice) your withdrawals from ROTH IRA accounts are not taxable under the age of 59 1/2 as long as the amount withdrawn is equal to or lesser than the amount contributed (over the 'lifetime' of the account). But the second you take one penny out that you did not originally put in, then that is "new" income and if you are under 59 1/2 then the profits will have yet to be taxed.

Yes, it is an amazing account, and yes, if you qualify, it is a great idea to have one. The code is written to encourage personal savings for individuals that work to earn their income so that they will be able to 'supplement' their income in retirement. (but we already had our discussion about social security in that other thread... i'll just say that it was interesting timing that ROTH IRA's were written into the code how/when they were.)

And if you have $500,000.00 liquid and don't know what to do with it... you probably should not be asking on this board.
Elaborate on the Roth timing... It's late & it's been a while since I studies for the Series 7, so I'm probably missing something here that was quite obvious.

Are you speaking of them providing the Roth to incentivize Boomers to start saving for retirement because they knew this SS situation was coming down the pipe?
 
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